Do "Change Party Fast Passes" violate Disney rules?

[Queen of the WDW Scene]

This seems easy to me?

You can use Change Party however you want.

The "crime" is redeeming a FP that was generated off a ticket that was not used to enter the park that day.

And now that Disney has made it so a park tic ket must be used to enter the park in order to use it for a FP+ attraction that is no longer a crime either because it cannot physically be committed anymore.

 

[AngiTN]

FTR - I do tend to think that what WDW intended with their T&C is different from how it was written.

That's sort of how I feel too. But until it's changed, we got what we got and trying to work within it is not easy

 

[DizBelle]

Ok, then in your mind what is a valid use for the Change Party feature that as it currently exists on the MDE site? Giving an example of a use that fits in the TOS as you see it

Here is one....

Mom, Dad, Bobby, and Sue have FP for SM. All 4 enter MK. When the FP rolls around, Dad and Bobby want to ride but Mom and Sue want to bow out. Dad and Bobby ride. Once they are done, Mom and Sue use "change party" to change their FP to Dad and Bobby. Since Mom and Sue's tickets were used to enter the park, their FP can be used by someone else.

If Mom and Sue had not entered the park at all that day, they cannot use "change party" to change their FP to Dad and Bobby.

The key (as I read it at least) is that the ticket that originally had the FP must be used to enter the park in order for the FP to be redeemed by anyone.

What seems unclear to me is if they have to enter the park in which the attraction for the FP is or if they can enter another park. e.g. Could Mom and Sue have gone to Epcot and then decided to stay at the hotel while Dad and Bobby went to MK. Can Mom and Sue change their SM FP to Dad and Bobby in this case? I'm not sure on this one.

 

[AngiTN]

Here is one....

Mom, Dad, Bobby, and Sue have FP for SM. All 4 enter MK. When the FP rolls around, Dad and Bobby want to ride but Mom and Sue want to bow out. Dad and Bobby ride. Once they are done, Mom and Sue use "change party" to change their FP to Dad and Bobby. Since Mom and Sue's tickets were used to enter the park, their FP can be used by someone else.

If Mom and Sue had not entered the park at all that day, they cannot use "change party" to change their FP to Dad and Bobby.

The key (as I read it at least) is that the ticket that originally had the FP must be used to enter the park in order for the FP to be redeemed by anyone.

What seems unclear to me is if they have to enter the park in which the attraction for the FP is or if they can enter another park. e.g. Could Mom and Sue have gone to Epcot and then decided to stay at the hotel while Dad and Bobby went to MK. Can Mom and Sue change their SM FP to Dad and Bobby in this case? I'm not sure on this one.

Can they enter the park and leave? What is Sue gets tired and needs a nap so Dad takes her back before they use all 3 FP. Mom and Bobby stay. Can they use the FP that Dad and Sue didn't use? By changing the FP to them?

I do wonder how many just change bands in your first example, vs. changing FP

 

[JohnneeO]

When Disney's updates and FP abuse consequences are fully known, Change Party as a legitimate function involving those Guests with tickets, who are planning a trip or who are in the park on a specific park day, will be added to the FP FAQ or to the FP FAQ Addendum. This was discussed with the FP FAQ OP last week.

Good to know. This is the clear and direct statement from a moderator/admin that most of us (at least me) have been looking for ever since the big thread was removed. I see it has been communicated previously, and repeated here (Thank You!), but is probably not going to be read by as many people who saw or followed the big thread.

Since the big thread was removed, I would see a benefit to "replacing" it for now with a locked, sticky thread with a single post that repeats the portion of your post that I quoted above, and any other pertinent information. This could confirm that Change Party is still on the Admin/Mods radar, possibly acknowledge that the previous discussion actually existed (but without directly referencing it), and confirm that no one really knows right now what is happening at the moment.

 

[DizBelle]

Can they enter the park and leave? What is Sue gets tired and needs a nap so Dad takes her back before they use all 3 FP. Mom and Bobby stay. Can they use the FP that Dad and Sue didn't use? By changing the FP to them?

I do wonder how many just change bands in your first example, vs. changing FP

Based on how I read the T&C, yes, they can enter the park and leave. All it says is that the ticket has to be used to enter the park. It doesn't say that it still has to be in the park when the FP is redeemed.

I would guess that near 100% change bands rather than change party. It is so much less of a hassle and most probably don't realize they are "supposed to" use change party.

 

[Tomh]

I would like to thank the moderators and admin of the DIS for letting this thread go, even if only for a bit, and for doing a wonderful job of policing things. This is a complicated issue, because of the vagueness of what Disney is doing, there are plenty of people who are legitimately concerned that they may get their accounts locked for doing something that they simply didn't realize was against the rules. The exchange here, I think, is helping to work out what the rules are.

 

[anomamatt]

Ok, then in your mind what is a valid use for the Change Party feature that as it currently exists on the MDE site? Giving an example of a use that fits in the TOS as you see it

Change party is incredibly useful when setting up initial FPs. And when plans might change. Especially when you have a big party. Or when my kids decide they don't want to ride XYZ, but another adult does...

 

[mbrittb00]

THIS
I know a lot of you joke/comment about how fast certain threads are locked down. If everyone stays within a subject there will be no need to shut it down.
Further if Disney decides to enforce certain rules we at the DIS must follow those rules and discontinue the threads about breaking said rules.
So, again, as long as this thread stays within the "change of party fast pass" while the person has scanned the ticket to enter the park that day it will all be good

I hope that we are smart enough to understand the difference between discussing how to break said rules, and a discussion of what said rules are and how they have changed. I kind of come and go from this forum so maybe we are.

 

[AngiTN]

Change party is incredibly useful when setting up initial FPs. And when plans might change. Especially when you have a big party. Or when my kids decide they don't want to ride XYZ, but another adult does...

I agree but PP did include that as one she felt was not within the TOS

 

[Mike2023]

Ok, then in your mind what is a valid use for the Change Party feature that as it currently exists on the MDE site? Giving an example of a use that fits in the TOS as you see it

I would say 4 people go to the park, 2 people decide they don't want to ride Space Mountain so they switch passes to the other people in their party. That would fit in the TOS I believe.

 

[DizBelle]

I agree but PP did include that as one she felt was not within the TOS

Actually, I think it IS within the TOS if both the child and adult use their tickets to enter the park that day.

 

[AngiTN]

I would say 4 people go to the park, 2 people decide they don't want to ride Space Mountain so they switch passes to the other people in their party. That would fit in the TOS I believe.

It would. But I'm thinking 99% of guests just trade bands.

 

[Mike2023]

It would. But I'm thinking 99% of guests just trade bands.

Yep, I would agree with that. And I believe that is against the TOS.

 

[AngiTN]

Actually, I think it IS within the TOS if both the child and adult use their tickets to enter the park that day.

True, PP used 2 examples in their post. 1 was changing the initial FP's after they were set up and the other was changing based on who decided to ride on a given day

 

[tjmw2727]

Ok - I posted this scenario in the sticky and I think it is still ok but now I am worried. Last Friday was both our AP renewal day (3 guests) and also our T60 day booking day I did try and renew early btw!

I first booked the 2nd day of our trip using my nieces valid profiles and valid tickets (they will be joining us in December) as I was hoping to get FOP! (and did) I then renewed our AP's and booked the rest of our FP+ with our AP's and finally since I couldn't book that one FOP FP+ on our APs I used the change party option. Xx fingers this is ok since it was done 60 days prior to using them although my nieces won't be on that trip.

So is it ok to use legitimate MDX profiles with valid tickets as "place holders"?

 

[Mike2023]

Ok - I posted this scenario in the sticky and I think it is still ok but now I am worried. Last Friday was both our AP renewal day (3 guests) and also our T60 day booking day I did try and renew early btw!

I first booked the 2nd day of our trip using my nieces valid profiles and valid tickets (they will be joining us in December) as I was hoping to get FOP! (and did) I then renewed our AP's and booked the rest of our FP+ with our AP's and finally since I couldn't book that one FOP FP+ on our APs I used the change party option. Xx fingers this is ok since it was done 60 days prior to using them although my nieces won't be on that trip.

So is it ok to use legitimate MDX profiles with valid tickets as "place holders"?

*From what I understand.

If your nieces tickets will not be used to enter the park the day the FOP FP is used your account will be flagged as an abuser or whatever.

*edited to add

Unless that only applies to same day of transfers?

*edited again,

It's this line in the TOS that makes it out like its a no no.

"The valid theme park admission associated with your Site/App account and used to make FastPass+ selections must be the same valid theme park admission that you will use for entry into the park on the day the FastPass+ selections are redeemed."

 

[hiroMYhero]

So is it ok to use legitimate MDX profiles with valid tickets as "place holders"?

Using Change Party worked for you - it's a function of MDE for FP planning when valid ticket entitlements are linked in MDE.

 

[hiroMYhero]

*From what I understand.

If your nieces tickets will not be used to enter the park the day the FOP FP is used your account will be flagged as an abuser or whatever.

*edited to add

Unless that only applies to same day of transfers?

The PP has already used Change Party to select/deselect from real people to real people.

 

[Mike2023]

Using Change Party worked for you - it's a function of MDE for FP planning when valid ticket entitlements are linked in MDE.

See, this is way to confusing.

This was posted earlier,

"The valid theme park admission associated with your Site/App account and used to make FastPass+ selections must be the same valid theme park admission that you will use for entry into the park on the day the FastPass+ selections are redeemed."

In tjmw's example, the ticket she used wont be used to enter the park.