DL Vets answer some ?s please...1 day trip soon.

I'm going against the grain here, but for a WDW regular who has been to WDW since TSMM opened and only has one day at Disneyland, I cannot recommend DCA if Aladdin is not showing. The very best DCA attractions that keep getting mentioned here are also at WDW. And most of the time, the WDW version is either identical (Soarin' or TSMM aside from the queues) or better (Tower of Terror).
Oh no! Dissent! ;)

I would add that California Screamin is not at WDW and GRR is much better than Kali. On the other hand, the nearest thing to Screamin at WDW would probably be RnR at DHS, and I would take RnR over Screamin in a heartbeat because the theming on Screamin is so weak.

In general I would agree a WDW vet who is a DLR day tripper should stick with DL.
 
....And see, I look at it the opposite way and think that a WDW vet who goes a lot should make a point of seeing DCA in addition to or instead of DL (just like the recent DIS-er I was speaking of earlier who had at first planned to only do DL, then planned to do both parks in one day, and finally ended up only doing DCA in that one day and she loved it!). I think that if you are used to WDW, you can stand to skip a lot of stuff in DL and should see DCA if you only have one day because it is a totally different park with a unique theme specific to California, and because it will transform over the next few years and be a different park with different crowd levels and different landmarks. For example, if I go to WDW at any point, because I am used to DL, MK is not going to be my first stop! I am heading straight for the parks that are different in theme from anything in California, which means everything else BUT MK!!! I would actually probably do MK last if I went to WDW, but that's just me.

I know there are lots of similar things in DCA to WDW parks (especially DHS), but there have actually been some WDW vets who have come back and reported that they really liked DCA and found a lot of 'gems' about it that are different from anything in WDW. You just kind of have to keep an open mind and really appreciate it for what it is. It may surpass expectations. It also depends on what kinds of things make a trip special for each person. I like and look for certain things at DCA that another person may not care about, so, as with everything we all discuss on the DIS, it is partially subjective!
 
That's what I'm trying to get at. When I visit WDW, I will often skip exact clones (or very similar ones) because I want to fully experience the unique or very different attractions to WDW. I spent a 1/2 day in MK on my May visit for that very reason whereas most people would probably be shocked that I went to WDW and spent just a 1/2 day at the MK.

I think the DCA must sees should be experienced if you've never been to a Disney resort and only have 1 day. But for a WDW regular, most of the very best rides in DCA are at WDW. GRR is better than Kali, but is it alone worth the cost of the parkhopper? I don't think it is. I have a difficult time recommending that a WDW regular with pnly 1 day to visit Disneyland spend the time and money to visit DCA for attractions they've already seen when there is so much unique to experience in Disneyland itself.

If you want to experience unique shows in DCA (Aladdin and MSEP), a parkhopper is worth it, but otherwise almost all of DCA's very best (today) is found at WDW.
 
That's what I'm trying to get at. When I visit WDW, I will often skip exact clones (or very similar ones) because I want to fully experience the unique or very different attractions to WDW. I spent a 1/2 day in MK on my May visit for that very reason whereas most people would probably be shocked that I went to WDW and spent just a 1/2 day at the MK.

I think the DCA must sees should be experienced if you've never been to a Disney resort and only have 1 day. But for a WDW regular, most of the very best rides in DCA are at WDW. GRR is better than Kali, but is it alone worth the cost of the parkhopper? I don't think it is. I have a difficult time recommending that a WDW regular with pnly 1 day to visit Disneyland spend the time and money to visit DCA for attractions they've already seen when there is so much unique to experience in Disneyland itself.

If you want to experience unique shows in DCA (Aladdin and MSEP), a parkhopper is worth it, but otherwise almost all of DCA's very best (today) is found at WDW.

You are looking more at attractions. I am looking more at overall 'theme' and details pertaining to theme, and DCA is a different theme from anything in WDW. As I said above, we all have different things we want or need from a DLR trip, and there are some camps to support all views. And much of what is necessary to see at DCA or DL is subjective, based on personal opinions. So there is no absolute 'right answer' to anything. It is all just recommendations coming from different people based on personal opinions and experiences. Also, I just think it is a practical idea to escape to DCA for a few hours in the day when DL gets crazy. DCA is not going to be so un-crowded in a few years. People have done one day only at both parks (and they had just recently been to WDW) and it was successful.
 

To me, DCA is worth it. For sure, TOT is better at WDW, TSMM is apparently exactly the same. But the feel of DCA is very unique. Bugs Land is very neat, and you have kids in that 4-6 age range. You cannot get those rides at WDW. Animations at DCA is wonderful. Lots of hands on activities that the Animations at DHS doesn't have. And again, one of the best things DCA has going for is the crowds, or lack therof. I agree with Hound, the food options over there are very good, always less crowded and a wonderful place to escape the crowds at DL. In essence, as far as theming and crowds, there is no place at WDW that is like DCA.

I'll also add that while Screamin isn't themed per se, it is a tribute the old wooden style coasters we all grew up with. Its a lengthy ride as far as coasters go, outdoors (at night the views are incredible although short since you are mostly moving) and its very smooth. RNRC is incredible, but to me, being on an outdoor coaster that lasts longer than a minute is worth some tradeoff in the theming department. Heck, I did Manta, Kracken, all the Universal coasters plus RNRC and EE last month, and I still like Screamin as well or even better than some of those because it just takes me back to my childhood and its not over so fast! But that's just me, and hey, I'm weird.;) But its around 2.5 minutes long and I love the fact you are launched very fast up the first hill, as opposed to the slow climb most coasters make up the first hill.

The Redwood Creek Challenge Trail is also something your kids would enjoy. Again, not all of these things at either DCA or DL can be experienced in a day or even day and a half. Its basically $25 to get the hopper. To me its worth it, of course for the OP it may not. But I know I'd pay that gladly at WDW if it would get me into a park, walking distance from another, that has very low crowds, even during the peak seasons. Bugs Land has Fantasyland style attractions with very little waits. Kids love that area, at least mine did at that age. So for me, if it cost me $25 a head but I could go over there with my kids, have lunch, let them explore Bugs Land, ride Monster's Inc and maybe run around the Redwood Creek Challenge Trail, all away from the crowds of DL, it would be money well spent. But I'll die broke for sure!

I will add that one of the reasons I keep talking about crowds is that DL walkways clog up like nothing I have ever seen at WDW. Its an older park and whenever I go there, now that I am more used to WDW, I do feel more of a sardine type feeling. So I love going over to DCA and just being able to walk around easier. There's not much shade and of course there's construction going on now, but I just love to go over there for a bit and feel almost like I got a break, but yet still got some park time in. And I am not at all saying WDW doesn't get human traffic jams, but to me, DL is much worse in that regard, especially on a summer day, so being able to go over to DCA to escape some of that is a must do for me. And the fact that you can hold fastpasses at DCA and DL at the same time is so nice. Like Hound mentioned, you can fastpass yourself into a tizzy at DL/DCA if you know how to do that (which you do since you're a WDW vet) and ride so much, without the lines. If I was going to WDW for one day I'd never hop. Because there is no way to hop anywhere in WDW without investing some serious time. At DL that's not true. You can hop back and forth with a short walk and no extra bag check (Bags are checked outside the Espanlande area. So once you get inside that, as long as you don't leave that area to go to a hotel or DTD, you don't have to go through that process again). The sheer size of WDW parks make hopping even between Epcot and DHS pretty time consuming, at DL and DCA its not.

And again, if you can, make sure you do see the Electrical Parade if you have two nights. That alone is well worth the upgrade on a ticket.

So while I can't promise DCA will deliver $25 worth of thrills and theming, I do think that given the amount a total vacation costs, its peanuts and might very well offer you some much needed escape from crowds with some neat theming and rides thrown in. I just know that I visit both WDW and DL regularly (in that I go to each at least once and usually more than once per year since 2003). I love DCA. My family always has, I never understood the bad rap it got(gets) and even though the changes are exciting, to me the old way was great and I'll miss a lot of that once its gone. And Sherry is right, that park will be packed crowded all too soon. I know that most of the friends I have who are WDW vets and think they don't want to visit DCA based on "its just like MGM" come back and thank me for telling them to go over there, even if only for a couple of hours.


P.S. The $25 is for the upgrade to a one day hopper from a base ticket. If you go with a two day, its more I suppose, although I don't even think they sell a single park ticket beyond the one day but I could be wrong. I think if you get a two day, its automatically a hopper.

Okay, that got really long winded! Sorry bout that. You can't make a bad choice in the end. You'll either stay at DL and really concentrate on that, or you'll upgrade and have more to experience!
 
I'll also add that while Screamin isn't themed per se, it is a tribute the old wooden style coasters we all grew up with. Its a lengthy ride as far as coasters go, outdoors (at night the views are incredible although short since you are mostly moving) and its very smooth. RNRC is incredible, but to me, being on an outdoor coaster that lasts longer than a minute is worth some tradeoff in the theming department. Heck, I did Manta, Kracken, all the Universal coasters plus RNRC and EE last month, and I still like Screamin as well or even better than some of those because it just takes me back to my childhood and its not over so fast! But that's just me, and hey, I'm weird.;) But its around 2.5 minutes long and I love the fact you are launched very fast up the first hill, as opposed to the slow climb most coasters make up the first hill.
Since when do you and I disagree? I thought you were my friend. ;)
 
I was looking at Screamin' on our second to last quick trip and thinking "I don't WANT them to change this, I love it", even though there's no "theming".

I grew up in San Jose with a dad who lived(s) in Santa Cruz. I went to the Boardwalk ALL the time (when I could get dad to take us), especially when dad lived in walking distance. I loved the Giant Dipper and I love Screamin'. (except I get an extreme fear just before it takes off that I didn't with the dipper).

"The Redwood Creek Challenge Trail is also something your kids would enjoy."

Just like with Grizzly, the caveat is that the two official activities there, the Smoke Jumpers tire swing thing and the wall climbing, are 42" minimum. That, especially since we went in there to escape the "pain" of not quite making it on Grizzly, devastated my then 4 year old. Yes there's the rope bridge/walk stuff, yes there was that stream that he lay down in (not filled with water last time we were there), yes there were other things to do, but the two official things were denied by half an inch. So be aware of that...


I don't feel that Aladdin is that great that it's a make or break. We saw it once, that's enough. Hubby liked it more, but none of us has made ANY effort to see it again. Others love it, us, not so much. But DCA, we love. We love the feel of it, just walking into it.

But like Amy said, there's no bad decision here. You'll do what you can do, you'll very likely enjoy it for what it is...you'll probably be back. ;)
 
Since when do you and I disagree? I thought you were my friend. ;)

Now Trey, you gotta admit, CA Screamin kinda reminds you of the infamous Mr. Twister at Eltiches in the old days before they messed with that park and moved it!

Its themed to the turn of the century boardwalks and their amusement parks, which is pretty weak I guess comapred to a coaster themed to Aerosmith! But even my Aerosmith obsessed son, loves Screamin and still ranks it as his number two favorite of all the coasters we have done (Dueling Dragons is number one).

I just love that coaster and have to recommend it!

Molly is right about the height requirements. I guess my thinking was that a 4and 6 year old would be tall enough for the Redwood thing, but I might be wrong. Heck, my kids are older, with a son who is 5;9" now, I can't even remember back to the 42" days and how old my kids were when they weren't quite that tall yet!
 
Now Trey, you gotta admit, CA Screamin kinda reminds you of the infamous Mr. Twister at Eltiches in the old days before they messed with that park and moved it!

Its themed to the turn of the century boardwalks and their amusement parks, which is pretty weak I guess comapred to a coaster themed to Aerosmith! But even my Aerosmith obsessed son, loves Screamin and still ranks it as his number two favorite of all the coasters we have done (Dueling Dragons is number one).

I just love that coaster and have to recommend it!
Yes, Screamin is fun. But I will insist that it is weak as far as Disney coasters go. Where is the story? Where is the immersion? Disney is not Six Flags or Cedar Fair. Disney coasters are supposed to be themed and not just zip you around. My gosh. Compare California Screamin to Expedition Everest. There is no comparison. EE is full immersion.

When you ride Screamin you look down and see what? Harbor freakin' Boulevard! You lose the immersion.

Bottom line (for me) is that we always ride Screamin multiple times, it is way fun, but it only fuels the DCA bashers who say DCA is not a true Disney park. Why? Because rides like California Screamin are weakly themed and do not contribute very solidly to DCA's "Disneyness".

Hey, who stole my soapbox! Give it back! :goodvibes
 
....When you ride Screamin you look down and see what? Harbor freakin' Boulevard! You lose the immersion.
Bottom line (for me) is that we always ride Screamin multiple times, it is way fun, but it only fuels the DCA bashers who say DCA is not a true Disney park. Why? Because rides like California Screamin are weakly themed and do not contribute very solidly to DCA's "Disneyness".

Hey, who stole my soapbox! Give it back! :goodvibes


:rotfl2::rotfl2: ...The down side of being built in an area where not much development can take place, sadly. ! I just HOPE that if they do a third park at DLR in the future that they make really good, creative, innovative use of what little space they have and not just stick a water park there (which I don't think they would do since Soak Cty is not far away).
 
Yep, no real theming on Screamin. But you can see Disneyland from part of it for gosh sakes, and not just Harbor Blvd! EE is very fun and full of immerision (although it stinks royally that the Yeti's hand can't reach down and grab at you anymore and they have no way to fix that). But comparing EE to Screamin is unfair since apparently Disney didn't cut the budget for AK the way they did DCA which is another thread.;)

But I still stand my point that its one of the reasons hopping to DCA is worth the upgrade. Its not a themed coaster, but its the sixth longest coaster in the world and given that you can see and hear Harbor from many places around the DLR complex, no more an immerision buster than the monorail in my book.

Although for the OP's 4 and 6 year old this whole thing is moot most likely since they will probably be too short to ride Screamin anyway!
 
:rotfl2::rotfl2: ...The down side of being built in an area where not much development can take place, sadly. ! I just HOPE that if they do a third park at DLR in the future that they make really good, creative, innovative use of what little space they have and not just stick a water park there (which I don't think they would do since Soak Cty is not far away).
Disney is creative and could have avoided this. Look at ToT. It goes up high like CS but they orient it towards DL. Can you see other things non-Disney? Yes, if you try. But the predominant feeling is you are seeing Disney when those doors open at the top. ToT at DCA is immersive.

Screamin should have been built in such a way that you cannot see Harbor. They would have been much better off just building a RnR copy inside a building and avoided the whole mess. But as the DCA critics rightly point out, DCA was built on the cheap and the imagineers were left out of the loop and given a poorly conceived park to try and build without enough money. The layout of DCA stinks and probably always will.

That said, I am not a DCA basher - I just understand the bashers' point. DCA does have some cool things. But that is really in spite of the park design, not because of it.
 
I too love Screamin', but note that it lacks the usual Disney theme. It's still a fun roller coaster, but that's all it is. We're not talking about a runaway mine train, tea train up the forbidden mountain, careening through space, or a stretch limo racing through L.A. rush hour.

I do think that once the DCA refurb is complete, DCA will have a much stronger Disney feel to it. I really feel like the Mickey face on the fun wheel has improved that area more than it was before. While I liked the mouse ears on Screamin' I think the Mickey face on the fun wheel works better.
 
Yep, no real theming on Screamin. But you can see Disneyland from part of it for gosh sakes, and not just Harbor Blvd! EE is very fun and full of immerision (although it stinks royally that the Yeti's hand can't reach down and grab at you anymore and they have no way to fix that). But comparing EE to Screamin is unfair since apparently Disney didn't cut the budget for AK the way they did DCA which is another thread.;)
I have been away from the WDW forum for too long! What is going on with the Yeti's hand without getting too far OT?

I think comparing CS to EE is fair. It shows a true Disney coaster vs a weak Disney coaster. Was Screamin done more cheaply? Yes. But that is no excuse. Like I said, Disney should have just built a RnR knockoff at DCA. RnR theming is excellent and fits the DCA theme perfectly. Even better than it does at DHS.
 
And I'll just reiterate again, that the best theme of DCA is the fact you walk about 150 yards out of DL to get to it! Its got some weaknesses (although I thought parts of it were very well done) that will hopefully be strengthened as its rehaul progresses.

Its not a standalone park. But I don't think DHS is either. When I finally got to go over to Universal in Orlando last month, one walk through that park had me thinking "so this is what DHS could look like". There's cheesiness and theming problems all over that park too in my book. But I still always go and always enjoy it!

I always think of DCA as a condiment. Something meant to be enjoyed along with the main event. Its really a tough call as to hop on just a one day trip. But again, for $25 to escape the crowds and be able to double up on fastpasses, its not a bad idea in my book.
 
I have been away from the WDW forum for too long! What is going on with the Yeti's hand without getting too far OT?

I think comparing CS to EE is fair. It shows a true Disney coaster vs a weak Disney coaster. Was Screamin done more cheaply? Yes. But that is no excuse. Like I said, Disney should have just built a RnR knockoff at DCA. RnR theming is excellent and fits the DCA theme perfectly. Even better than it does at DHS.

I do agree there. Even though I like the look of California Screamin' against the DCA skyscape/landscape, I think a music-themed coaster could have easily worked just as well into the California theme of DCA, as California (Hollywood/L.A./San Francisco) has had pivotal music 'scenes' and 'sounds' throughout the decades. But CS was done in such a way that worked into the boardwalk feel that Molly was speaking of earlier, and those wooden boardwalk coasters usually don't have all kinds of internal theming, I don't think. So CS may not have much theme in and of itself, but it fits into the overall California theme that they were going for, I guess.
 
You guys are full of information, even if it is somewhat conflicting. Sadly, I'm going to have to make some judgment calls that will be against the majority suggestions, simply due to time. I don't expect this will be my last trip to DLR for a while, my brother lives in SD so I can always make a case to visit and go up to DL.

Soooo, I think I've decided to come up Mon late afternoon, check in at Sheraton on points to save $$, possibly go to one of the parks Mon eve or possibly not-just to DTD or something else (although I really don't think I'll be able to resist going into the parks that first night). It will depend on whether I am alone on the first night or with family. My brother has refused to go up the nt before, saying no way, a few hours at DL is enough for him. Eventhough I have enough points for 2 hotel rooms. :confused3

Anyway, I won't be eligible for MM and from what I am reading from you guys that won't be as painful as late arrival at EMH in WDW is. Peter Pan is not a must do for us (yes, I can hear you all gasp! right now :lmao:) and neither is Dumbo. The absolute requirements are (in order of importance):
Space Mountain
Matterhorn (one side will be enough-my dd won't like sitting alone)
BTMRR (probably multiple times-this is my dd's fave at WDW)
Buzz
Splash
Pirates
IASW
Alice in Wonderland
Mr Toad
Pinocchio
Roger Rabbit
Storybook Canal Ride
Jungle Cruise
HM-maybe
Snow White-maybe

I am just going to not hop that day. I want to focus on Walt's park, and with the exception of Bug Land, Soarin, GRR, & Monsters it doesn't hold much draw for me (I know---another loud gasp!). I love RnRc so I'd love CA Screamin but the rest of my group would not.

So, given the above list, what would your touring order be?

I sat and read Hound's Perfect Storm last night and I would LOVE to do that SAME exact day with my dd once she's about 9 or so. Excellent read! :thumbsup2

Thanks for all of your help!

also, do you think the latest PS at Goofy's Kitchen for breakfast would mess up my plan? How far is it from the park?
 
I have been away from the WDW forum for too long! What is going on with the Yeti's hand without getting too far OT?

I think comparing CS to EE is fair. It shows a true Disney coaster vs a weak Disney coaster. Was Screamin done more cheaply? Yes. But that is no excuse. Like I said, Disney should have just built a RnR knockoff at DCA. RnR theming is excellent and fits the DCA theme perfectly. Even better than it does at DHS.

He doesn't reach down anymore. I guess the movement caused foundation problems that to be fixed would mean tearing apart the whole mountain. Since I road it in the early days, I miss that now! Silly as it sounds, it freaked me out to see that huge arm coming down towards me. I can't remember when that whole thing came about. And to make matters worse, last month when we road RNRC, it was pitch black. YOu couldn't see the donut hole, it was total darkness! But still a great ride. But I am hoping that was just a fluke that day (only rode it once last trip sad to say).

Sorry friend (and you know I mean that ;)) I don't think comparing CS to EE is fair. Only in that, due to the way DCA was built, it could never compete with other, themed Disney coasters. I do agree, they should have built something better and like Sherry I think they could have done an indoor coaster that would have knocked RNRC's socks off.

But for now, its themed for what it was supposed to be, the boardwalk thing which is just a cheap way to give a bit of theming without pulling the stops out!

Maybe Carsland etc., will give DCA some much needed Disney-worthy theming!
 
We are conflicted sometimes around here, but no more so than on the WDW side of disboards! And we don't ever have mug debates which is sort of nice! DCA does cause differing opinions as many people find it so disappointing versus other Disney parks, while other people find it fabulous. But for sure, a full day at DL will save you time and money and let you concentrate on the original. It pains me to say it, but you are smart to be realistic with what you know you can do and skip DCA. It'll be there in probably much better form, for a future trip!

Peter Pan is so similar to WDW's and without fastpass and the fact it loads differently, that line builds and never stops. Ditto with Dumbo. You'd spend probably a total of an hour and half doing just those two rides so I think you are right on with skipping those. Alice and Toad get lines, but usually nothing like the other two. Snow White, is not as good as WDW's so that should be last. It hardly ever has a line though and neither does Pinnochio.

I would suggest getting a space mountain fastpass first (they almost always run out) and then doing Fantasyland. With Matterhorn being first then Alice, Toad, then Storybookland Canal Boats. Pinnochio and Snow White seldom have anything longer than a five minute wait. You can then take the Big Thunder Trail (you;ll see this on the map but basically its a great shortcut from Fantasyland over into Frontierland and lets you out right at BTMRR), ride that then get a fp for Splash once you can. And sometime before you head out of Fantasyland, you can fp Roger Rabbit (which is not connected to other fp machines so you can get it before your window comes up). Then you can ride that later along with Small World, which is very close to each other. I know someone will be able to probably build you a whole itinerary of your choices better than me! But my biggest suggestion is to fp Space first, then do Fantasyland and build from there.

You can make a 7:00 a.m. ps at Goofy's (my fave characater meal at any Disney park). Then ride the monorail into Tomorrowland or walk through DTD into DL. That walk takes 10-15 minutes total (including bag check once you get to the parks). If you got a 7:00 a.m. reservation, you could probably be in the park by 8:30 or 9:00. In some ways, I'd recommend you do Goofy's that first night and then enjoy DTD aftewards. You can see the fireworks from the Espanlande area (the area between the two parks), sometimes they even pipe the music in. Or you could just go back to your hotel and go to bed early! You can't really walk from the DLH to your hotel so you could cab it or drive to do that. You can park at the DLH for like three hours if you are dining there.

You could also do a late lunch at Goofy's on your park day. I think they do up to a 2:00 p.m. seating, then close until something like 4:30 or 5:00. Might be a nice break!
 
I would go to Fantasyland first because it will get crowded the quickest. The other non Fantasyland attractions on your list either have FP or will not have long lines.

I recommend doing Haunted Mansion. It's different enough from WDW's that it's worth doing. Plus, it's the original. I'd also add the Indiana Jones Adventure to your list. It's the same idea as Dinosaur(which literally copied the track layout), but is themed to the Indiana Jones movies. You may also want to add the Nemo subs, and if so, I'd do that within 30 minutes of arriving at the park. If possible, stay until the park closes at midnight. Fantasyland tends to empty out at the end of the day, so you can knock most of it out in the last hour, plus Storybook Land is all lit up at night.

And at least based on the pics in your signature, you may want to add the Sleeping Beauty Castle walkthrough to your list. It tells the story of Sleeping Beauty in detailed window displays. It was the first attraction to use some of the legendary Disney effects made famous in POTC and Haunted Mansion. It won't take long to do(10-15 minutes if you spend lots of time at every diorama), so you can do it anytime.
 


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