DL tightening up flaws in disabled guests ride policies article

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Disabled Ask Disneyland to Restore Passes for Rides
The park's new system for giving handicapped access is arbitrarily applied, petitioners say. Officials say it's now tailored to each visitor.
By Kimi Yoshino
Times Staff Writer

July 19, 2004

Kelsey O'Maley, 9, can't feed herself. She can't walk by herself. She can't even sit up in her wheelchair without effort.

On a roller coaster, though, Kelsey can do what any other kid does: have fun.

So when she and her mom arrived this summer at Disneyland and discovered that the park no longer gives disabled patrons special access to rides, they were reminded of what Kelsey couldn't do.

"For these kids, they don't get to be on swim teams or soccer teams. They're always watching other kids do what they don't get to do," said Kimberlee O'Maley, Kelsey's mother, of Indianapolis. "Disneyland was probably the one place they could have a positive experience."

Other park patrons are voicing the same complaints. Critics have collected 14,700 signatures on an Internet petition that asks Disneyland to again offer "special assistance passes" that allowed disabled guests and those accompanying them to enter rides through the exit, often bypassing long lines.

Many complain that a new system for the disabled is inconsistently applied or not applied at all at the Disneyland Resort's two theme parks. The O'Maleys, for example, said they spent much of their time during a recent visit trying to figure out the new rules and arguing with Disneyland employees.

The park discontinued the special assistance passes in March because able-bodied people — many of them teens — were cheating, park officials say.

Some took advantage of the system by renting a wheelchair, requesting a pass and using it to cut to the front of the line. Park officials said the program was so abused that sometimes the handicapped line was longer than the normal one.

Under the new system, Disney employees talk with park visitors to determine the level of assistance they may need, said Disneyland Resort spokesman Bob Tucker.

The employees might then issue a "guest assistance card" that is customized to the type of assistance needed.

A guest with a hearing or visual disability, for example, is assigned a code that alerts employees to give them front-row seating.

"The previous program applied the same solution to all guests regardless of their needs," Tucker said. "Instead of a one-size-fits-all approach, we now tailor our assistance to each guest on a case-by-case basis."

The new system was developed with the help of disabled advocacy groups, and Tucker said it has been "very positively received."

Rebekah McIlhenny of Garden Grove's Dayle McIntosh Center, which helps disabled people live independently, helped Disneyland revamp its procedures. She says the park is making an honest effort to accommodate the disabled.

"I don't think there was any way that they were going to be able to put a policy in place that wasn't going to have a lot of kinks," McIlhenny said.

"We know there are concerns. I think the [employees] still need additional training…. But I've been really pleased with their willingness to discuss things and hear the complaints. I think they are taking it very seriously."

But Sarah Demarco said that when she took her five children — four of whom have disabilities including cerebral palsy and Down syndrome — to Disneyland a few weeks ago, the kinks were still far from worked out.

As she had in the past, the Tucson resident went straight to the park's City Hall, carrying paperwork documenting her children's disabilities. Employees first told her they no longer had disabled passes to give her. When she complained, they gave her a pass that allowed her to use her specially fitted triple-seat stroller as a wheelchair, which allowed her to take it in lines for rides. Normally, strollers are parked outside the lines.

DeMarco said she struggled to wind the stroller through long lines and often had to lift it to fit through the queues. And when she complained to ride operators, they told her to go back to City Hall to request a different pass that gave her more access.

"I understand that people were taking advantage," DeMarco said. "But now the people that really are handicapped are paying the price."

Camarillo resident Marcus Anthony, 43, has spina bifida and severe arthritis. He said park workers would not give him a pass because his disability was so obvious it was unnecessary. But once he got to the attraction he wanted to ride, he was told he needed a special card.

"It seems there's confusion among employees," Anthony said. "I don't think everyone's getting the message on what the actual policy is."

Critics complain that decisions about access are being left to young, sometimes inexperienced, employees.

"They have taken federal law, and they're allowing it to be applied at the discretion of [employees]," O'Maley said.

The best solution, she and others said, is to reinstate the special assistance pass but distribute it only to people who prove their disability.

"Most people with a real disability don't mind having to prove it" and routinely carry paperwork, O'Maley said.

This approach is used at some other amusement parks. At Knott's Berry Farm in Buena Park, for example, officials say they also see abuse of their special assistance pass but limit it by requiring a doctor's note. The pass, according to the Knott's policy, is to help accommodate wheelchairs and not to bypass the line.

Maryland attorney R. Wayne Pierce, who frequently represents amusement parks, said that for the industry, it's a balancing act between safety and access.

"In many ways, it amounts to a no-win situation," Pierce said. "There's no way for an owner-operator to make a risk-free choice."

The disabled patrons said they are simply asking for accommodation and compassion.

"Do you know how many things we can't do that we accept?" O'Maley said. "It's in your face every day what you're shut out of…. This was one of the few breaks people with disabilities got."

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Im glad to see DL implemeting policy changes so less people abuse the disabled front of the line system, i have seen it abused way too much in the parks i have visited in the last several years.
 
Sure sounds like DL sucks recently. So much for Ouimet being so great, unless these are all leftovers from the previous regime.
 
From all the accounts I've read, it's pretty obvious the HC abuse at DL had to be addressed. Is the new plan perfect- no. Do I believe they will work the kinks out of it- yes. Does it sell more newspapers to point out the flaws in the system rather then praise the positives- absolutely.
 
I think it boils down to allowing people with handicaps equal access, not superior access. If the line is 20 minutes long, they should have to wait 20 minutes, just like everyone else. However, they can be accomidated in their wait, and should have ease of access to the ride.

It sounds like some people still want their "Front of the line" pass. That's not fair for anyone.

I wouldn't say that DL sucks, and Ouimet is a failure. He has taken an obviously flawed and abused system, reached out to the disabled community for an answer, and is doing a good job accomidating. Not a perfect job, but much better than before.

Some people will never be happy, and those are the people that reporters seek out.
 

Originally posted by OnWithTheShow
Sure sounds like DL sucks recently. So much for Ouimet being so great, unless these are all leftovers from the previous regime.

HA!

Well three strikes sounds like a pretty tall order.

The disabilities policy issue should be easy to remedy though. I agree with those who feel it had to be revamped due to abuse.

I happen to know an individual who fits the profile they're trying to stop. Man did he get a big surprise at WDW in May when he tried to get his usual carte blanche free ride and was issued a conditional pass good for only unshaded ques.

So what did he do? Waited for a shift change at guest services and made up a new disability. My advice to Disney - require more proof than someone's word.

As for the FP issue - changes were implemented when the announcement was made.

So I'll give the guy some credit here for doing his job.

Now about that BTMRR......................
 
Some took advantage of the system by renting a wheelchair, requesting a pass and using it to cut to the front of the line. Park officials said the program was so abused that sometimes the handicapped line was longer than the normal one.

i have seen horrible abuse of the passes at WDW (have never been to DL) but as a disabled person (i don't use a pass myself, but my disability is also 'obvious' so CM's are willing to let me sit in my chair in the queues.) i don't mind waiting, just have to be sitting down.

it has to be hard though for people whose children have serious disabilities. please hear me out on this.

if you have a child with CP or another ailment that keeps them in a chair constantly, you have no idea how much energy it takes to lift a child in and out of a chair many times a day, to bathe, feed, and change diapers on a child or teen who cannot care for themselves...and i think its a shame that the abuse has now apparently taken away a useful and helpful tool from families who could come to disney knowing that the passes eased their burden.

i think that there is nothing wrong with wanting documentation of the reason a pass is needed. but this inconsistency of rules; it shouldn't be that hard to put out a park-wide memo for all managers to go over with their staff making sure everyone knows what the rules are. That should not be so difficult to do.

I guess this topic is close to my heart because i have so many friends with disabled kids; also i know how hard it is to get through a theme park when you are TRULY disabled.

personally, i think that people found to be abusing the chair rentals, etc, should be thrown out of the park. that would end the abuse real quickly. if a CM catches a group of teens (or adults for that matter) switching off from the chair and otherwise getting around the park just fine...that should be enough to get someone ejected.

they could make everyone sign a form when getting a pass warning that if you're found to be abusing the system you will be escorted out. also, perhaps restricting rentals to people over the age of 18 without a note from a physician? i don't know. there has to be a better way other than just doing away with them altogether.



JMHO
geek
 
There are people pretending to have disabilities just to get on rides faster? This brings selfishness to a whole other level.
 
Why does GAC work just fine at WDW, and not at DL?

Sounds like Sarah Demarco didn't check out the disABILITIES board here to get the info she needed to get the proper GAC in the first place...
 
Originally posted by Schmeck
Why does GAC work just fine at WDW, and not at DL?

Sounds like Sarah Demarco didn't check out the disABILITIES board here to get the info she needed to get the proper GAC in the first place...



Because people are upset that they can't have the same "free for all" that they used to have. I think Disney has gone a little extreme in reigning it in but, I think it's necessary. They'll figure out where they need to ease up and find the happy medium. I'm not sure how accurate this is but, I heard that Disneyland was handing out over a thousand of SAP's everyday. Looking at some of the SAP lines, I'd believe it.
 
The problem at DL is that the park was designed without wheelchairs being a deciding factor, thus there was a makeshift system by which people in wheelchairs wind up at the front of the line or in a special access line because that is the only way for DL to accomodate these guests. When people see that and find out that the "privilege" is only $20 with a $10 refund, selfish people are going to go for that. It seems to me that they should have a system by which you are made to wait whatever the "from this point on" marker is at. If some lines don't have shaded queues, would seem much less costly in PR to install the shade necessary. Personally I think that only guests that truly have issues with waiting, such as autistic children, are the only ones that should be able to line jump. And yes, there should be a doctor's note for the privilege. Disney, judging from the article, seems to have an internal communication problem than a policy flaw.

The reason the GAC works better at WDW is that the rides were built with wheelchairs in mind, especially EPCOT and beyond. In many attractions at WDW, one can stay in the same queue line as their party. Some even further let you remain in the chair even in the ride vehicle. So you wait the same amount of time. The attractions that do let you board at the head of the line usually require one of your party members (if you have more than one other) to wait in the line and when they get to the end of the line you get boarded. This keeps the teenagers down to a minimum benefit, because most travel in more than groups of two. The other line type is usually more for shows and that is that the theatre only has so many spots for wheelchairs and if they are booked, you wait til the next show. Also they do not let you just skip, making you get fastpass if you want into the regular line just like everyone else. So as you can see, the benefit of wheelchairs is not as sexy to those who might cheat the system.

Someone mentioned TRULY disabled, but what does that mean? This subject kinda irks me because I was actually accused of cheating once at WDW for using an ECV. Now I don't get the ECV to get to the front of the line, and in rides where they insist on that (because I travel alone or with one other), I personally find the whole thing embarrassing, because I am more than happy to sit and wait like everyone else, as long as I can sit. I've even argued with a CM not to be treated special, as I find it degrading. Anyway, the reason I get the ECV is because I have a very painful muscle disorder that keeps me from walking long distances. When I go to WDW, I can drug myself to the hairline in painkillers, which degrades the experience and would make me a reckless guest, or I can rent an ECV. Since I choose the latter, people assume that using one means that I am unable to walk at all. I use it 98% of the time, but honestly, in some cases it's worth the pain to avoid the hassle. For instance, checking in at the hotel, getting food at the food court, going the bathroom, getting the ECV in the room to charge it. These are all things that while sometimes extremely painful for me, are things that I still need to do, while I can do them. Have you ever tried getting food at the food court, paying for it, and sitting down at a table, all while using an ECV? It's very difficult to say the least. But people see me walk and it's all they need to assume that I can walk 5 miles in a theme park because they saw me walk 30 feet to the counter. I'd rather trade the ECV for muscles that work painlessly, but I can't, so I've learned to ignore them. My point is that unless you actually see someone walking for a better part of the day or them swapping, don't assume that they are in that wheelchair to fake it. Also, I can see someone using a wheelchair for a family member, who may be too exhausted or sore to continue on especially in the hot sun. Why not when it would ease the discomfort and make the experience more enjoyable (to rest their muscles, not as a vehicle to get in lines quicker).
 
Nice post ShallowWind.

To me, truly disabled includes everyone with a handicap which affects their abilities.

I honestly never knew how lax the original policy was at Disney to obtain these passes, having been fortunate not to be in a situation where this was a concern.

But having recently been acquainted with an individual who clearly abuses this right for the sole purpose of having a privilege over the rest of us, I am in full support of the company enforcing a stricter system. Believe me, this is not an assumption on my part - he has absolutely no physical limitations - he simply comes from money.

To be honest, I don't believe a doctor's note will be enough to stop a guy like this. So in that respect, I give the CM's at Disney a great deal of respect, as they effectively implemented the new policy on him at WDW.

It sounds like DL has a broader issue in terms of accessibility. I for one, have no problem with allowing anyone with special needs to bypass the rest of us.
 
***"I for one, have no problem with allowing anyone with special needs to bypass the rest of us."***

I don't either, but what did bother me was when that HC individual was allowed to advance to the front of the line, so were the 27 smircking and giggling guests they had with them.
 
My "27" was obviously an exageration, but I'm 100% certain parties much larger then 5 did this.

I'm not certain,but I believe one of the things they did to improve this was allow the HC person & companion advance to the front of the line while their party remained in line. When the party got to the front, then the entire party got on the ride. This way the HC person isn't required to wind their way thru the que and their non-HC guests don't recieve an advantage over the rests of the park guests.
 
I imagine that FastPass has helped eliminate some of the reason for cheating...another great thing about it.
 
To me it is reasonable for a person needing special assistance to explain reasonable thoroughly the circumstances and reasons. So if you need to sit out of the sun or need someone to help you into a ride vehicle, you should be willing to disclose the kind of disability you have.

Meanwhile Disney should provide access that anyone can use. If the wheelchair won't fit down the queue, Disney should provide a CM to lift it over any obstruction or provide an alternate path.

Due to the complexity of rules needed to handle many different kinds of disabilities, it is to be expected that CM's may make mistakes, usually in favor of the guest.

Disney hints:
http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/disney.htm
 
Why do they not just have you bring along documentation from a Dr? I really don't think people who are trying to "cheat" would go through all the trouble to go to their Dr and ask them to Lie for them so they can go to the front of the line. DS is a special needs child and he loves the rides at WDW. We have alwaysa brought a Dr's note with us and got our GAC at the park. We only use it if DS has to wait in the direct sun for a long time. We have used the pass on 4 rides over all our trips to Disney. It seems we always have to use it Kali River Rapids as the line is long and HOT!!! Usually we just get a fast pass. At KRR even the fast pass line was long and hot!!! I think it is terrible that people have ruined it for people who truly need assistance. Shame on them!! As for people taking their party of people with them. DH takes DS on the rides using the pass and DD and I wait in line. DH takes DS to wait somewhere in the shade and they get a drink and relax and wait for us. If we use Fast pass we all ride togeather.
 
I really don't think people who are trying to "cheat" would go through all the trouble to go to their Dr and ask them to Lie for them so they can go to the front of the line.

Sure they would. Disney can surprise them once with the new regs but that'll be it. Remember, these are the same individuals who abuse the handicap system by obtaining stickers for the front of their vehicles just so they don't have to look for parking or walk very far.

They'll resort to anything. I've seen this first hand. I'm sure it's not isolated.

My hope is that these guys are not part of big problem at Disney, because there's no great solution to stop them. So maybe it's a case of letting them get away with it knowing the new policy has succeeded in preventing the majority of other situations (like the teen issue) from reoccurring.
 
I saw a guest yelling at a cast member at the front of Aladdin's Magic Carpet ride because she wanted to use the wheelchair entrance and had the disabled pass. It turns out that the entire queue line is wheelchair accessible and a covered area, so he was politly explaining that the wheelchair entrance was the same as the regular line. She continued to yell at this cast member until I was on the ride.

I guess she missed the approx. wait time that they were standing in front of and must have not heard the cast member tell her that the wait time was 5 minutes.

I know there are a few attractions that have wheelchair entrances as the regular queue line is not large enough. But the ones that are and in covered areas then I see no reason why a disabled guest cannot utilize this line as all the rest of the guests.

I agree with the equal access not superior access for disabled that was stated earlier.

Also, Matt Ouimet has been in California for approx. nine months. He was great at DVC, great at DCL...and now over ALL of DL, a very large step up. I am sure you will see great things from him ...give the man some time to set up shop.
 
i apologize if the 'truly' disabled remark is offensive. i AM disabled (meaning that I am unable to work/drive/be independent due to my illness)myself so believe me i do not look down on people who are using ECV's or chairs, whether or not they can get up to get their own tray at the food court or not (to use another poster's example). i don't judge people. i understand about 'hidden' disabilities, it took me 15 years to get a correct diagnosis with MS.

UNLESS, and this is a big unless, you see a pack of people changing out of the chair at one ride after another. I have seen this, it's disgusting.

as far as resting people's muscles to make the day more enjoyable...if you're talking about otherwise healthy people, yes i personally would have a problem with that, because those of us who don't have the choice have to suffer for their abuse of the provisions offered, whatever they may be.

anyone who would abuse the system should have to spend their entire trip viewing the world from a sitting position, believe me the parks are a lot prettier to view from a normal height. when you're in a chair, you get to look and be up against people's posteriors and in crowds, get whacked with camera bags, diaper bags, purses and backpacks...i have even been burned by someone's cigarette while being in a crowd in a chair and unable to move. the burn required treatment and was excruciating.

i don't want to upset people so i won't post to this topic anymore... i do not judge people when i see them in a chair knowing that they likely have a hidden disability if no signs are visible. but i do think there should be a line drawn as to who gets passes/chair rentals and sadly, DL chose to get rid of the program altogether instead.

of course, they could fix this whole situation by just making ALL the lines chair accessible! :D i'm happy to wait in line with everyone else.

and even though i'm in a chair, i have never gotten an assistance pass. i just go whatever way the CM's direct me (my disability is obvious.)

again, didn't mean to offend anyone.

geek

p.s. to shadow wind; i am sorry that anyone questioned your use of an ecv. people who do not live with chronic pain do not understand what its like, and as someone who also lives with it, you have my understanding and believe me, in the past before my disability was more obvious, i got that, too. its not a nice feeling. i also would rather go through the line and be treated like everyone else.
 












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