Disney World splurges that are worth it

[circus4u]

According to CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/12/travel/luxury-walt-disney-world/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

 

[bohemian21]

I like how the first thing it says is to "immerse yourself in the Disney magic" by staying in a non-Disney hotel.

 

[smiths02]

Yes, we can all stay at the Four Seasons and do VIP tours. This seems a little out of touch.

 

[richierich2323]

Most likely, it was an advertisement. CNN and most media is about the $$$ not about fact finding.

 

[beer dave]

It's also a good thing they said the pool complex is "arguably" the best in WDW-- Because we will argue.

 

[ThurlFan]

Because we will argue.

Hey, we're the Dis. Arguing is our core competency

 

[PolyLover]

It's also a good thing they said the pool complex is "arguably" the best in WDW-- Because we will argue.

We walked around the Four Seasons the day it opened. The pool complex area is AMAZING! Don't argue it That being said, it's a beautiful resort but doesn't feel very Disney-like. For that money I want a view of the castle! I've got my fingers crossed that my DH has a conference at the Four Seasons one day and we can stay for "free".

 

[beer dave]

Hey, we're the Dis. Arguing is our core competency

Yes.... room 12....

 

[lockedoutlogic]

We walked around the Four Seasons the day it opened. The pool complex area is AMAZING! Don't argue it That being said, it's a beautiful resort but doesn't feel very Disney-like. For that money I want a view of the castle! I've got my fingers crossed that my DH has a conference at the Four Seasons one day and we can stay for "free".

ummm....

so you'd pay $500 for the old monorail motolodge...but you want the four seasons for free?

hmmm...ummmm....uhhhh.....

ok....

 

[beer dave]

ummm....

so you'd pay $500 for the old monorail motolodge...but you want the four seasons for free?

hmmm...ummmm....uhhhh.....

ok....

Location location location.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Location location location.

Reject...

That saying is subject to the perpetual veto of "brutal common sense"

 

[beer dave]

Reject...

That saying is subject to the perpetual veto of "brutal common sense"

Come on now.... There are too many categories of visitors to delegate what should be considered a value to each of them.... You nor I would spend the cash requested for the GF, but in some subset (every 2 years?) there are people who are more concerned with the view, the theme, and yes, the dreaded monorail.

For someone who may frequent Four Seasons, there may be an attraction to not. When they do take the Disney vacation, they may want the full package, no matter how price distorted it may have become. (and when you have a monopoly on location, this is a subjective point)

And they have a monopoly on location.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Come on now.... There are too many categories of visitors to delegate what should be considered a value to each of them.... You nor I would spend the cash requested for the GF, but in some subset (every 2 years?) there are people who are more concerned with the view, the theme, and yes, the dreaded monorail.

For someone who may frequent Four Seasons, there may be an attraction to not. When they do take the Disney vacation, they may want the full package, no matter how price distorted it may have become. (and when you have a monopoly on location, this is a subjective point)

And they have a monopoly on location.

It wasnt a value comment at all...

I was responding to the concept of "paying" for the likes of GF and poly, while hoping to get to four seasons without paying.

That seems
Backwards.

I also, generally, laugh at this sense of "relief" or status that seems to be conveyed by those that embrace the overcharging at the hotels. As if it is such a big difference. There's a certain arrogance there that makes me chuckle

(FYI...I'm not accusing anyone of doing that here in this case...just pointing out that it often bleeds through)

 

[Suger Mag]

It wasnt a value comment at all...

I was responding to the concept of "paying" for the likes of GF and poly, while hoping to get to four seasons without paying.

That seems
Backwards.

I understood what PolyLover was trying to say.

4 Seasons was very beautiful, but not Disney enough as they want a MK view when paying that amount of money out of pocket for a hotel at WDW... however if the 4seasons was free... then it would be great.

What is not to understand? For someone for whom the visuals etc. (like a castle view/monorail) of the experience is important, then it make total sense.

It would be like if seeing characters at a dinner was important to your family... well then you don't make reservations at Citrico's or V&A. However, if it is free... well then of course you go. Of course the food at V&A is gourmet and top notch (I would surmise, never eaten there myself)... and perhaps even superior to the buffet with Mary Poppins et. al., but again, it all comes back to what the particular individual feels is important for their vaction experience.

We walked around the Four Seasons the day it opened. The pool complex area is AMAZING! Don't argue it That being said, it's a beautiful resort but doesn't feel very Disney-like. For that money I want a view of the castle! I've got my fingers crossed that my DH has a conference at the Four Seasons one day and we can stay for "free".

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I understood what PolyLover was trying to say.

4 Seasons was very beautiful, but not Disney enough as they want a MK view when paying that amount of money out of pocket for a hotel at WDW... however if the 4seasons was free... then it would be great.

What is not to understand? For someone for whom the visuals etc. (like a castle view/monorail) of the experience is important, then it make total sense.

It would be like if seeing characters at a dinner was important to your family... well then you don't make reservations at Citrico's or V&A. However, if it is free... well then of course you go. Of course the food at V&A is gourmet and top notch (I would surmise, never eaten there myself)... and perhaps even superior to the buffet with Mary Poppins et. al., but again, it all comes back to what the particular individual feels is important for their vaction experience.

I understand what was being said...

I find it ironic

 

[Suger Mag]

It wasnt a value comment at all...

I was responding to the concept of "paying" for the likes of GF and poly, while hoping to get to four seasons without paying.

That seems
Backwards.

I also, generally, laugh at this sense of "relief" or status that seems to be conveyed by those that embrace the overcharging at the hotels. As if it is such a big difference. There's a certain arrogance there that makes me chuckle

(FYI...I'm not accusing anyone of doing that here in this case...just pointing out that it often bleeds through)

I understand what was being said...

I find it ironic

Irony is when you say one thing and mean another. Perhaps you don't mean to, but you are coming across as snarky. To PolyLover the Disney view is important. If you understood that to begin with... then why call it 'backwards" or in a roundabout way refer to arrogance or sense of relief that makes you chuckle all while claiming to not to be making a value judegment... when it cetainly seems like you are.

You are very vocal on this thread about how you feel about the pricing or quality at WDW. You often have a lot of wonderful points to make, but... you can also be rather snarky about who you call the 'kool-aid' drinkers. Which BTW, equating someone who enjoys WDW with people who commited suicide in Guyana under the spell of Jim Jones is rather offensive.

 

[Lewisc]

Irony is when you say one thing and mean another. Perhaps you don't mean to, but you are coming across as snarky. To PolyLover the Disney view is important. If you rstood that to begin with... Which BTW, equating someone who enjoys WDW with people who commited suicide in Ghana under the spell of Jim Jones is rather offensive.

Polylover expressed a desire to stay at the four seasons, at a conferance. Thats the irony
Drink the kook aid is now figure of speech.

Article talks about EMH and says four seasons is onsite. AFAIK four seasons guests aren't eligible for EMH.

Article mentions VIP tours. They indicate there a many different tours available. Many of the tours require paying for park admission and don't give unlimited "line skips"

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Irony is when you say one thing and mean another. Perhaps you don't mean to, but you are coming across as snarky. To PolyLover the Disney view is important. If you understood that to begin with... then why call it 'backwards" or in a roundabout way refer to arrogance or sense of relief that makes you chuckle all while claiming to not to be making a value judegment... when it cetainly seems like you are.

You are very vocal on this thread about how you feel about the pricing or quality at WDW. You often have a lot of wonderful points to make, but... you can also be rather snarky about who you call the 'kool-aid' drinkers. Which BTW, equating someone who enjoys WDW with people who commited suicide in Ghana under the spell of Jim Jones is rather offensive.

Lol...
I'm not referencing jim jones... But the more
Modern "hip hop" references to kool aid.

But I see the ambiguity to it and I'll refrain. That's a good point.

Listen, my "snark" filter may be faulty a little because of the HEAVY doses of it coming on threads Involving the pricing, DVC, the four seasons, etc.

So I admit its a little sand under the saddle right now.

I try to be more straight forward...particularly the poly and contemp...but all wdw hotels...have escalated to the point of extortion. That isn't much of a stretch.

If it was $149 in 1995, then $199 in 1998, then $240 in 2002, then $289 in 2005, then $349 in 2008, then $409 in 2010, and now $499...
Which I'm a little off but not that much...then they are beating you over the head with your perceptions.

I'm not disputing that some people find certain elements more or less valuable...
But at somepoint the asteroid passes zero barrier and the light switches on, no?

I'm sure we're not there yet.

Or better yet...suppose in 5 years or so they determine that the monorail is a profit drain and they converted to "expanded" motor coach or watercraft service...dismantle the beams as "unsalvagable"
Oh what will be said then?

Because new trains are long overdue and the amount of money needed to purchase and maintain only increases by probably 10% annually...conservatively. It's a $150-$200 million dollar investment right now (I may be way low).

Just food for the kitty. Postulations and rumination.

 

[Suger Mag]

Lol...
I'm not referencing jim jones... But the more
Modern "hip hop" references to kool aid.

But I see the ambiguity to it and I'll refrain. That's a good point.

Thank you... I just couldn't believe it was the same reference. I lived in SanFransico area for a few, too many people there had family they lost, so it was not something you joked about... hence the sensitivity.

Listen, my "snark" filter may be faulty a little because of the HEAVY doses of it coming on threads Involving the pricing, DVC, the four seasons, etc.

So I admit its a little sand under the saddle right now.

I try to be more straight forward...particularly the poly and contemp...but all wdw hotels...have escalated to the point of extortion. That isn't much of a stretch.

If it was $149 in 1995, then $199 in 1998, then $240 in 2002, then $289 in 2005, then $349 in 2008, then $409 in 2010, and now $499...
Which I'm a little off but not that much...then they are beating you over the head with your perceptions.

I'm not disputing that some people find certain elements more or less valuable...
But at somepoint the asteroid passes zero barrier and the light switches on, no?

I'm sure we're not there yet.

Or better yet...suppose in 5 years or so they determine that the monorail is a profit drain and they converted to "expanded" motor coach or watercraft service...dismantle the beams as "unsalvagable"
Oh what will be said then?

Because new trains are long overdue and the amount of money needed to purchase and maintain only increases by probably 10% annually...conservatively. It's a $150-$200 million dollar investment right now (I may be way low).

Just food for the kitty. Postulations and rumination.

Can't you go back to work there and make some changes? This is what I meant by you have great insight. I wish that Disney would enact at least a few of your points... I just hate when you make me and other relative newbies to the WDW feel bad about having fun there. It is hard to know what you missed if you were not there. But that should not be ammunition used to dimish the current enjoyment of folks who have only started going more recently. I really really wish that candy bars still cost .25$ like they did when I was 10... but in all honesty that Hershey bar is still tastes pretty tasty at 44 and costing a buck+. However as far as expecting Disney or any business not to charge what the market will bear, I won't hold my breath.

The focus is far more global right now for WDw to get the love it deserves. The 'suits' see no sense of urgency in Orlando.