Disney World MultiPass Scheduling Woes

[gottalovepluto]

A bit late to the party, but I had a lot of issues with modifying LL back in September, it wouldn't let me change the times or rides at all. Similarly I could see that there were earlier times available for the rides than what was originally assigned, but the app would not let me change anything, even though there were no issues with overlapping times or ADRs. We've gone through this LL process for a handful of trips and I've never experienced anything like this before, usually I've been able to modify with ease. I ended up reaching out to a CM via the in app chat and they were able to modify the times to the earlier ones I was seeing, so that's always an option when the app is acting up...

Needed to do that with my first ride on both my MK days today. Chat moved them to the earlier times I saw that the app wouldn't give me (despite no conflicts). Thanks for the tip! (A quick search seems to indicate this especially plagues MK.)

 

[gottalovepluto]

I was just watching AllEars video on the stacking thing last night if people want a more in-depth blow by blow on it. They put the vid together about 4 months ago and said its been working for over a year. They stick to the grace period of 2 extra hours link

 

[Babe the Blue Ox]

I was just watching AllEars video on the stacking thing last night if people want a more in-depth blow by blow on it. They put the vid together about 4 months ago and said its been working for over a year. They stick to the grace period of 2 extra hours link

It’s nice to hear more widespread discussions on the extended grace period. That seemed to be a touchy subject here until very recently.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

Did not make it to AK till 10:30 this morning. By the time I tapped into my first LL (EE), I already had 5 stacked. As promised, here’s the screenshot after I grabbed my fourth lightning lane from the hotel room after the first one expired, without ever tapping into a ride:

 

[Babe the Blue Ox]

Did not make it to AK till 10:30 this morning. By the time I tapped into my first LL (EE), I already had 5 stacked. As promised, here’s the screenshot after I grabbed my fourth lightning lane from the hotel room after the first one expired, without ever tapping into a ride:

Did you try to use any of these outside of the grace period?

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

Did you try to use any of these outside of the grace period?

No, we weren’t quite that late.

 

[elvispursley]

It'll be just my luck that when we go back to WDW (either July or August, need to figure that out), Disney will have closed this loophole! We went sans LL this last trip (which was just fine) but I'd definitely love to use this! In the DL thread, I read all the pages about using their LL loophole only to get to the end and find out they closed the loophole But glad for all of you to keep putting this to the test!

 

[Babe the Blue Ox]

It'll be just my luck that when we go back to WDW (either July or August, need to figure that out), Disney will have closed this loophole! We went sans LL this last trip (which was just fine) but I'd definitely love to use this! In the DL thread, I read all the pages about using their LL loophole only to get to the end and find out they closed the loophole But glad for all of you to keep putting this to the test!

Was that the Acceleration Method that used to be widely discussed on the Disneyland board? We used that last summer and it was like having a Premier Pass for both parks each day. I was sorry to see that one go.

 

[elvispursley]

Was that the Acceleration Method that used to be widely discussed on the Disneyland board? We used that last summer and it was like having a Premier Pass for both parks each day. I was sorry to see that one go.

Yes!! It sounded so awesome to do and got all excited and then, wah wah, nope. Gone! Hoping this method at WDW sticks around for a bit!

 

[Tatebeck]

It's a nice option to be able to wait and ride a bit later if needed, but as far as stacking goes, I don't really think it is that useful.

Since you have to be in the park early to tap into the first ride to unlock other tier 1 rides anyway, you might as well go on the rides towards the beginning of their time slots instead of waiting until they expire. You get to book your next ride almost an hour earlier each time vs waiting for them to expire.

The only really useful thing I can think to use this for is on a day when ride waits are very low in the morning but you expect them to get long in the next few hours. Let a few expire and book for when the busy time will be, then do standby in other rides while the wait times are low before tapping into the expired attractions or attractions you booked after the first few expired.

 

[Babe the Blue Ox]

It's a nice option to be able to wait and ride a bit later if needed, but as far as stacking goes, I don't really think it is that useful.

Since you have to be in the park early to tap into the first ride to unlock other tier 1 rides anyway, you might as well go on the rides towards the beginning of their time slots instead of waiting until they expire. You get to book your next ride almost an hour earlier each time vs waiting for them to expire.

Recent reports have shown that you do not have to tap in to the first ride to unlock an additional Tier 1 attraction, as long as your first multi pass is also a Tier 1. This could be very useful if you are arriving later in the day and want to build up a stack of passes before you enter the park.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

I don't really think it is that useful.

It’s very useful for people who don’t rope drop/ aren’t morning people.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

Since you have to be in the park early to tap into the first ride to unlock other tier 1 rides anyway,

This is false. You can book a second tier 1 ride after the first one expires.

 

[Tatebeck]

This is false. You can book a second tier 1 ride after the first one expires.

It’s very useful for people who don’t rope drop/ aren’t morning people.

In some cases, but only if it is the 1 of your 3 rides that is already the pre chosen tier 1 that expires. If it is one of the others, it won't let you. Also it won't let you choose any of the other tier 1 rides at other parks if you are park hopping. So 75% of the tier 1 rides will still be locked. So 1/3 of the time you can choose from <25% of the remaining tier 1 rides at all the parks.

So yes you do have to tap in to unlock the vast majority of the other tier 1 rides. And if the day is at all busy then by the time multiple tier 1s expire, they may be sold out at that first park.

You can tap into 1, then choose up to 3 tier 1 rides anywhere. Or wait an hour longer for 1 to expire to choose only 1 more ride and only at 1 park. Clearly it is better to start using them than this bad "stacking" hack which doesn't actually let you get more rides in most of the time.

I'll sleep in on my rest days or at home thanks

 

[Babe the Blue Ox]

In some cases, but only if it is the 1 of your 3 rides that is already the pre chosen tier 1 that expires. If it is one of the others, it won't let you. Also it won't let you choose any of the other tier 1 rides at other parks if you are park hopping. So 75% of the tier 1 rides will still be locked. So 1/3 of the time you can choose from <25% of the remaining tier 1 rides at all the parks.

So yes you do have to tap in to unlock the vast majority of the other tier 1 rides. And if the day is at all busy then by the time multiple tier 1s expire, they may be sold out at that first park.

You can tap into 1, then choose up to 3 tier 1 rides anywhere. Or wait an hour longer for 1 to expire to choose only 1 more ride and only at 1 park. Clearly it is better to start using them than this bad "stacking" hack which doesn't actually let you get more rides in most of the time.

I'll sleep in on my rest days or at home thanks

I'm not sure why you're being so disagreeable. Sagosta had very good results using this technique last week when they were able to stack 7 multipasses while at their daughters morning dance recitals and didn't arrive at the park until the afternoon. They also used some of these passes during party hours which no one here thought was possible before then.

AnnaK seems pleased that she was able to stack 5 passes this week when she couldn't arrive at the park until 10:30. She was also able to instruct Touring Plans why a test that they had recently performed did not work as anticipated.

Tate does bring up in interesting scenario that I don't believe has been tested yet. This may be a good trial for the Touring Plans team or anyone else who is up to the challenge.

@lentesta - Do you want to take a shot at this one:

Have a park hopper ticket and three multi-passes booked in advance. The first pass should be a Tier 1. Before entering the park, let the first pass expire then see if you are restricted to only booking another Tier 1 in the same park or if you can select from a different park.

Tate doesn't believe that this will work, and he may very well be correct, but I don't think he knows for sure.

 

[Tatebeck]

I'm not sure why you're being so disagreeable. Sagosta had very good results using this technique last week when they were able to stack 7 multipasses while at their daughters morning dance recitals and didn't arrive at the park until the afternoon. They also used some of these passes during party hours which no one here thought was possible before then.

AnnaK seems pleased that she was able to stack 5 passes this week when she couldn't arrive at the park until 10:30. She was also able to instruct Touring Plans why a test that they had recently performed did not work as anticipated.

Tate does bring up in interesting scenario that I don't believe has been tested yet. This may be a good trial for the Touring Plans team or anyone else who is up to the challenge.

@lentesta - Do you want to take a shot at this one:

Have a park hopper ticket and three multi-passes booked in advance. The first pass should be a Tier 1. Before entering the park, let the first pass expire then see if you are restricted to only booking another Tier 1 in the same park or if you can select from a different park.

Tate doesn't believe that this will work, and he may very well be correct, but I don't think he knows for sure.

I am not really being disagreeable. I do definitely agree that it is useful in some very niche situations, like if you are going to a park later on your arrival day or if you have to miss the morning due to a recital or competition as you mention and you aren't planning to park hop. But even on these "successful" stacking days someone would have been more successful and gotten on more rides, both standby and LL by arriving to the park earlier and using it as designed. I am just responding to everyone here and elsewhere saying that stacking is back and it's this amazing new trick when it isn't that amazing (and depends heavily on Disney not changing anything.)

I remember back when the lightning lane scans turned blue 15 minutes after your time ended, not 2 hours. They could go back to this at any point, especially if too many people are doing it. It breaks the system if too many people are booking lightning lanes but then not using the times until hours later. Guests should treat the time as a safety valve in case they are delayed or late, but not rely on it for a successful day or to try and me more efficient than the normal usage (and anyway it obviously won't be more efficient than a guest who can get there in the morning)

I believe I have seen it tested in a few videos, and unless something has changed very recently, after an expiration of a tier 1 LL on a day when you have not entered a park or redeemed a LL, you can only select rides at that same park.

Ex. You can use a wrench as a hammer, though it won't work as well as a true hammer would. But I wouldn't go out and buy a wrench just to use it as a hammer. It simply isn't as efficient in most normal situations.

ETA: One big thing that bugs me in normal life is obvious inefficiency. I can spot it pretty easily and it bothers me, which is why I made the responses. I like to see all the information (and the correct information especially) that is out there

 

[juxtapose]

Question on the early booking strategy. We are doing 3 parks in one day. Starting at AK, not booking any LLMP there, but plan to book Slinky and 2 other Tier 2 at HS. We plan to arrive at HS around noon. Then around 5pm go to MK. If we book an early HS LL, can we book one for the evening in MK after that HS LL expires? Either Tier 1 or Tier 2 at MK, or can we only book additional HS LLs until we scan into a ride there?

 

[Babe the Blue Ox]

I am not really being disagreeable. I do definitely agree that it is useful in some very niche situations, like if you are going to a park later on your arrival day or if you have to miss the morning due to a recital or competition as you mention and you aren't planning to park hop. But even on these "successful" stacking days someone would have been more successful and gotten on more rides, both standby and LL by arriving to the park earlier and using it as designed. I am just responding to everyone here and elsewhere saying that stacking is back and it's this amazing new trick when it isn't that amazing (and depends heavily on Disney not changing anything.)

I remember back when the lightning lane scans turned blue 15 minutes after your time ended, not 2 hours. They could go back to this at any point, especially if too many people are doing it. It breaks the system if too many people are booking lightning lanes but then not using the times until hours later. Guests should treat the time as a safety valve in case they are delayed or late, but not rely on it for a successful day or to try and me more efficient than the normal usage (and anyway it obviously won't be more efficient than a guest who can get there in the morning)

I believe I have seen it tested in a few videos, and unless something has changed very recently, after an expiration of a tier 1 LL on a day when you have not entered a park or redeemed a LL, you can only select rides at that same park.

Ex. You can use a wrench as a hammer, though it won't work as well as a true hammer would. But I wouldn't go out and buy a wrench just to use it as a hammer. It simply isn't as efficient in most normal situations.

ETA: One big thing that bugs me in normal life is obvious inefficiency. I can spot it pretty easily and it bothers me, which is why I made the responses.

Thank you for the reply. We visited the parks this summer and found that the extended grace period significantly improved our touring strategy. I wish I had known about this stacking technique then as we could have gathered even more passes during our visit, although 35 in 4 days wasn't too bad. Knowing when the additional LL release times were scheduled for many of the headliners was a game changer for us.

I saw a video posted here recently by Pluto that suggested that stacking has been available for over a year now and just hasn't been widely discussed/understood on these boards. It's been interesting to see the reactions of members who thought they knew how all of this worked, only to find out that they may have been incorrect.

I remember when the 15-minute grace period was printed in military time on the original paper fast passes. This was the only time that the grace period was ever officially acknowledged even though it was never enforced. I've got a feeling that the next change will be to simply extend it to the end of the day as the ride attendants will still override the blue Mickey if you have an active pass, even if used well beyond the grace period.

And always remember "They're more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules".

 

[Tatebeck]

Thank you for the reply. We visited the parks this summer and found that the extended grace period significantly improved our touring strategy. I wish I had known about this stacking technique then as we could have gathered even more passes during our visit, although 35 in 4 days wasn't too bad. Knowing when the additional LL release times were scheduled for many of the headliners was a game changer for us.

I saw a video posted here recently by Pluto that suggested that stacking has been available for over a year now and just hasn't been widely discussed/understood on these boards. It's been interesting to see the reactions of members who thought they knew how all of this worked, only to find out that they may have been incorrect.

I remember when the 15-minute grace period was printed in military time on the original paper fast passes. This was the only time that the grace period was ever officially acknowledged even though it was never enforced. I've got a feeling that the next change will be to simply extend it to the end of the day as the ride attendants will still override the blue Mickey if you have an active pass, even if used well beyond the grace period.

And always remember "They're more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules".

I don't think we will see them ever just make it good for the whole day. 2 hours grace period is already a stretch if a lot of people start using that grace period.

You have to remember that the LL lines are the same lines they use for DAS return times, rider swaps, return to queue, etc. They want/need to have that LL wait be both short and predictable.

If you have a bunch of people signing up for ride times all day going unused, then all showing up at the same time in the evening to use them then the LL/DAS line would have been extra short for the first part of the day, then unexpectedly long during the evening, severely delaying DAS users who are the ones unable to wait in long lines.

 

[Tatebeck]

Question on the early booking strategy. We are doing 3 parks in one day. Starting at AK, not booking any LLMP there, but plan to book Slinky and 2 other Tier 2 at HS. We plan to arrive at HS around noon. Then around 5pm go to MK. If we book an early HS LL, can we book one for the evening in MK after that HS LL expires? Either Tier 1 or Tier 2 at MK, or can we only book additional HS LLs until we scan into a ride there?

You will be unable to book anything in MK until you use your first HS LL.

Before tapping into a ride, you will be able to book another Tier 1 HS ride as your first Tier1 expires and HS Tier 2s as your HS Tier 2s expire.

I would recommend getting LLMP at AK, using the first one ASAP and then booking what you like at AK/HS/MK as you go. You will get more rides but you may miss out on Slinky Dog as that one is the first to sell out and may be gone