Disney Vacation Club adjusts 2010 Vacation Points charts

[bookwormde]

I just added a day to my vacation (really nice and knowledgeable MS person) and when I got done I wished her luck after the 25th, she knew what I was talking about.

bookwormde

 

[SamiL]

This whole thing just messes with my obsessive planning.

Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

 

[bwvBound]

Isn't it interesting that for most of us our vacations habits are going to cost more in points?

Looks like our typical stays will be reduced 16 points.

 

[Cindaddy]

I don't think that is true for "most of us." Certainly not me. I will save about 12 points per year on my normal vacation schedule.

Remember, the points reallocation is neutral overall. Where some people "lose" others will "win". The net effect is zero overall.

That's only true from a total point count perspective. Unless you do weekends only or do multiple weekends in a single stay, you are losing. Sun-Thu folks are losing and 8-12 day stays (1 weekend) are losing. I wouldn't call that neutral. It's a negative change because weekends are cheaper, but still considerably more than weekdays.

 

[toocherie]

ok--I may be dense, but I haven't really compared how this would affect me. I don't have a "typical" stay per se. But if some people's points are increased and some are decreased, how does this end up making money for Disney??? I understand why a lot of people are upset because their expectations are changed, but why would Disney do this? How does it benefit them?

 

[bobbiwoz]

This whole thing just messes with my obsessive planning.

Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

I think this is the best response so far!
Bobbi

 

[robandkelly13]

When I go to the DVC webpage I can only pull up the 2009 charts. Under 2010 only the cruises are listed. Anyone else having the same problem?

 

[Plutofan]

I just got off the phone with my guide who has been with DVC for a very long time. He told me that Disney pulled the point charts because they were not the final version. He told me to post that you should not rely on those charts. He said that they are still working on the charts and they should be out in the next couple of weeks. He expects some changes but was told by higher up that the published charts were not the final version. Stay tuned.....

 

[SamiL]

ok--I may be dense, but I haven't really compared how this would affect me. I don't have a "typical" stay per se. But if some people's points are increased and some are decreased, how does this end up making money for Disney??? I understand why a lot of people are upset because their expectations are changed, but why would Disney do this? How does it benefit them?

Maybe I'm not thinking this through well enough, but might it mean less money for Disney as far as the parks are concerned? It seems plausible that people might shorten their stays (especially those who normally stay over a week with only one weekend) and therefore be in the parks fewer days--spending less money on food and merchandise.

Am I way off or missing something obvious?

 

[Alisha&Jay]

I'm not happy either. They sure could of given more notice for one thing. i took a look at my Nov '09 trip which I'm going to book on March 1 at BLT in stnd view 1 bdrm, we are driving down from CT so will arrive on a saturday night but stay off property, then check in on sunday Nov 22nd and check out on friday Nov 27th, it comes to 142 points. Same trip in 2010 would be 149. The AKV difference is even greater, when comparing Feb '09 Presidents week Sun-Thur. In a SV 1 bdrm the points increase by 14. I don't know how they can justify the short notice?

 

[logan115]

I just got off the phone with my guide who has been with DVC for a very long time. He told me that Disney pulled the point charts because they were not the final version. He told me to post that you should not rely on those charts. He said that they are still working on the charts and they should be out in the next couple of weeks. He expects some changes but was told by higher up that the published charts were not the final version. Stay tuned.....

Praying that by some miracle the Sun-Thurs nights ultimately end up with smaller increases than shown on the charts

 

[glennbo123]

That's only true from a total point count perspective. Unless you do weekends only or do multiple weekends in a single stay, you are losing. Sun-Thu folks are losing and 8-12 day stays (1 weekend) are losing. I wouldn't call that neutral. It's a negative change because weekends are cheaper, but still considerably more than weekdays.

That's exactly my line of thinking. I expect the only people who'll benefit from this are those who only do weekend or long-weekend stays.

 

[dnoyes]

That's only true from a total point count perspective. Unless you do weekends only or do multiple weekends in a single stay, you are losing. Sun-Thu folks are losing and 8-12 day stays (1 weekend) are losing. I wouldn't call that neutral. It's a negative change because weekends are cheaper, but still considerably more than weekdays.

That would be me you are talking about. We're 3000 miles away so we always stay for 10-12 nights. I lose big time in this deal.

 

[dd08]

Maybe I'm not thinking this through well enough, but might it mean less money for Disney as far as the parks are concerned? It seems plausible that people might shorten their stays (especially those who normally stay over a week with only one weekend) and therefore be in the parks fewer days--spending less money on food and merchandise.

Am I way off or missing something obvious?

Again, not trying to say what's right or wrong, what's fair or unfair, but while some people (sun-thurs DVC'ers or 8to10 night people) may/will decrease their stays, others who have to or like to use weekends for their trips may increase their stays.

Their goal is to have ~100% occupancy 365/7. They obviously aren't receiving that now, the weekends being the glaring example, hence the reallocation.

 

[tjkraz]

ok--I may be dense, but I haven't really compared how this would affect me. I don't have a "typical" stay per se. But if some people's points are increased and some are decreased, how does this end up making money for Disney??? I understand why a lot of people are upset because their expectations are changed, but why would Disney do this? How does it benefit them?

Disney may or may not benefit, but that shouldn't even matter. The purpose of the points charts is to balance demand. These changes suggest that the weekend points have been disproportionately high and that the Concierge category at AKV was priced too low (comments here suggest that concierge went up across the board but I haven't actually looked myself. )

As a whole members may not like it...but you can't always go by majority rule. Heck, if we polled members I bet we could get a majority vote to LOWER the weekday costs further than they were.

Disney may not even like these changes. Clearly they are going to have a harder time marketing to budget-seekers and there will be a lot of upset members in general.

But DVCMC has a fiduciary responsibility to act in the best interest of the Condo Association(s) as a whole. You can't use surveys and member feedback to judge whether this reallocation was necessary. If weekend occupancy is a shadow of that during weekdays, something has to change. And unfortunately the only way to lower weekend costs is to raise weekdays.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Praying that by some miracle the Sun-Thurs nights ultimately end up with smaller increases than shown on the charts

Don't bet your life on it. These are a done deal....as was previously posted, it seems a "technical" error was made and these were released prematurely.

 

[dzorn]

They were pulled down last night. This thread has them as jpgs. JPGs of Pulled 2010 Point Charts

I just got off the phone with my guide who has been with DVC for a very long time. He told me that Disney pulled the point charts because they were not the final version. He told me to post that you should not rely on those charts. He said that they are still working on the charts and they should be out in the next couple of weeks. He expects some changes but was told by higher up that the published charts were not the final version. Stay tuned.....

Yet people are allowed to book into 2010 with the +7 day rule in just a few days. So is MS not going to allow booking 2010 dates yet.

Denise in MI

 

[erionm]

I just got off the phone with my guide who has been with DVC for a very long time. He told me that Disney pulled the point charts because they were not the final version. He told me to post that you should not rely on those charts. He said that they are still working on the charts and they should be out in the next couple of weeks. He expects some changes but was told by higher up that the published charts were not the final version. Stay tuned.....

Unless they delay these changes, they have to be in place by 9pm eastern on 1/26. On that date a member will be able to reserve 12/26/09 to 1/2/10 at their home resort.

 

[kristenrice]

I just got off the phone with my guide who has been with DVC for a very long time. He told me that Disney pulled the point charts because they were not the final version. He told me to post that you should not rely on those charts. He said that they are still working on the charts and they should be out in the next couple of weeks. He expects some changes but was told by higher up that the published charts were not the final version. Stay tuned.....

Question? Since the 11-month winddow for January 2010 opens in 10 days, wouldn't the points charts have to be finalized and "official" by then? Can they change the point requirements after booking has begun for that year? If that is the case, I am going to try and make it through the next 10 days before I make any downgrades to my 2009 trip.

 

[glennbo123]

Praying that by some miracle the Sun-Thurs nights ultimately end up with smaller increases than shown on the charts

Agree, but I doubt it. If it got that far -- that some IT person posted it on the website, even temporarily -- they're pretty close to being final. And besides, time is running out before 2010 reservations can be made.