Disney to cancel FPs if room is cancelled

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Does have something to do with SWGE prep. Hate to say it, but I also think it may have something to do with eventually paying for fast passes too. Just gonna wait and see what happens.

personally I think we are still a long ways away from all FPs having to be paid for, like the Universal Express pass

I do think the concierge ability to buy extra FP and get to book those 90 days out I think is just the first example of being able to pay for extra and/or ones with greater booking value (further out, not limited the same, etc.)
 
As a regular camper at Fort Wilderness, I have an opinion on this proposed policy:

This proposed change affects those who book a "throwaway" on-property reservation to get the 60+10 FP window and, after getting those, cancel the reservation (typically within 30 days or arrival). Emphasis here is on "book-then-later-cancel". The waived parking fees and Magic Bands costs are variable (time of year for the room/site and number of people in party for the MBs) but I believe that throwaway rooms get cancelled more often then kept/held onto and sitting empty. Way more. You book it and paid for it and keep it and want it to sit empty or use it/perks at the resort for day use only? More power to you. You paid for yours like I paid for mine.

The problem with the "book-then-later-cancel" is that one night kept me from booking a week at the campground well in advance and when you cancel it within 30 days, it's too late for me to make plans, schedule time off from work, and book a trip to the Mouse. I daresay most people don't plan and book their trip within 30 days of arrival ("most"). So the cancelled site sit unused because its too close to a possible arrival date to make plans to use it.

The WDWNT link language in the post announcing this proposed change is revealing. "Loophole". "Fraudulent". Yes it was a loophole that was exploited because it was allowed and not explicitly restricted. Very few people stumbled into this situation by accident though.

I call this a step in the right direction.

Bama Ed

PS - and a minimum stay requirement would be the next "right step". Oh I've booked a one night reservation when I had a 5 night already and wanted to get a 6th night and the stupid system wouldn't let me. If you have consecutive nights and want more, you should be allowed. But that may be asking too much of Disney's IT system.

And we have a winner in why the throwaway room /campsite trick needs to go also...
 

Is this effecting more people who stay off site vs. on site?

I'd say more people who stay off site and use this to get access to book at 60 days, though I suspect there are also some people who stay on site but would book a longer stay so they got access to the 60+10 to give them more access for the dates they would actually be at the parks

Actually, guess that could still be a loop hole - if you are planning on being there for a week, book a stay for 10 days starting 3 days before when you are really going to arrive, book your 60+10 day FP and then cancel those first 3 days only
 
Does have something to do with SWGE prep. Hate to say it, but I also think it may have something to do with eventually paying for fast passes too. Just gonna wait and see what happens.
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Is this effecting more people who stay off site vs. on site?
if you’re staying onsite, the loophole remains. Only affects people staying offsite.
 
Does have something to do with SWGE prep. Hate to say it, but I also think it may have something to do with eventually paying for fast passes too. Just gonna wait and see what happens.

I really doubt that. Making people pay for fastpasses would kill the whole staying on property for 6 or more days in order to get the good (FoP, SDD, 7DMT, etc) fastpass scheme. $1000+ in hotel reservations and park tickets is worth a whole lot more than $50 a day for paid fastpass.
 
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personally I think we are still a long ways away from all FPs having to be paid for, like the Universal Express pass

I do think the concierge ability to buy extra FP and get to book those 90 days out I think is just the first example of being able to pay for extra and/or ones with greater booking value (further out, not limited the same, etc.)

The concierge piece, as well as opening up Disney Springs hotels, helped add to the need to book multiple days before the good stuff becomes available. The less supply there is by day 60+4, the more demand there is.
 
I really doubt that. Making people pay for fastpasses would kill the whole staying on property for 6 or more days in order to get the good (FoP, SDD, 7DMT, etc) fastpass scheme. $1000+ in hotel reservations and park tickets is worth a whole lot more than $50 a day for paid fastpass.
This is off topic, but I think we may see offsite guests offered the opportunity to pay for a 60 (or 45, etc) day fastpass window.
 
I'd say more people who stay off site and use this to get access to book at 60 days, though I suspect there are also some people who stay on site but would book a longer stay so they got access to the 60+10 to give them more access for the dates they would actually be at the parks
The bolded isn't a wrong thing to do. Really it's the 'parks' aspect I'm speaking towards.

However,

if you are planning on being there for a week, book a stay for 10 days starting 3 days before when you are really going to arrive, book your 60+10 day FP and then cancel those first 3 days only
The underline would be an issue since you're cancelling the reservation (or portion of the reservation).
 
This is off topic, but I think we may see offsite guests offered the opportunity to pay for a 60 (or 45, etc) day fastpass window.

That's possible, but it is not going to be worth much unless they can get in at 65 or more during popular times. The good stuff books up real fast due to so many people having access to it now.
 
This is off topic, but I think we may see offsite guests offered the opportunity to pay for a 60 (or 45, etc) day fastpass window.

maybe - although they did already give the 60 day window to those staying at non-Disney owned Disney Springs resorts

I do think we will see more ways to in effect pay for hard to get FP - like the evening of thrills tour at Animal Kingdom which was largely a way to pay for a FP for Flight of Passage or the early morning magic events at MK and DHS which are largely a way to pay for access to 7 Dwarf Mine Train and Slinky Dog respectively
 
The bolded isn't a wrong thing to do. Really it's the 'parks' aspect I'm speaking towards.

However,

The underline would be an issue since you're cancelling the reservation (or portion of the reservation).

but would it be? You would still have a reservation good for the dates you have the actual FPs for ... guess unless they track it based on when the FP were booked vs when they were scheduled for or something
 
maybe - although they did already give the 60 day window to those staying at non-Disney owned Disney Springs resorts

I do think we will see more ways to in effect pay for hard to get FP - like the evening of thrills tour at Animal Kingdom which was largely a way to pay for a FP for Flight of Passage or the early morning magic events at MK and DHS which are largely a way to pay for access to 7 Dwarf Mine Train and Slinky Dog respectively
Yes - classic example of creating a problem and then having people pay more to fix it. Pretty genius.
 
I really doubt that. Making people pay for fastpasses would kill the whole staying on property for 6 or more days in order to get the good (FoP, SDD, 7DMT, etc) fastpass scheme. $1000+ in hotel reservations and park tickets is worth a whole lot more than $50 a day for paid fastpass.
They could do both. They could have a sliding scale of charges depending on stay location, length of stay and so on. Room costs are already high and they could be even more. There's plenty of possibilities.
 
but would it be? You would still have a reservation good for the dates you have the actual FPs for ... guess unless they track it based on when the FP were booked vs when they were scheduled for or something

I agree with you. If they really are giving a 2-day "warning", then they don't care *how* they were made, just that an onsite reservation covers the FPs.
 
Will not be an issue - loophole only closes if you are not staying onsite

What do you think will happen to 'umbrella'd' FPs? (I know we are all speculating with the few details we have at this point, but I think you are on the right track and I've been wondering about the "FP umbrella").
 
Yes - classic example of creating a problem and then having people pay more to fix it. Pretty genius.
Exactly, they are going to figure out a way in which one will need to pay to be able to get the most desired fast passes. Fast passes could still be labeled as free but if you want the awesome ones, it will cost you.
 
but would it be? You would still have a reservation good for the dates you have the actual FPs for ... guess unless they track it based on when the FP were booked vs when they were scheduled for or something
Your comment, as I understood it (which means I could have missunderstood it) was that someone would purposefully book for 3 additional days than they would be there AND that they would cancel those 3 additional days. I wasn't framing it in terms of what action Disney would actually do (I don't know that Disney wants to get that nitty gritty right now in terms of implementation) I was framing it as that would be wrong to do that. It seemed that type of behavior was what Disney is aiming to curb where people book, get benefits and then cancel the reservation (and in the case of your comments it was a portion of the reservation they were cancelling).

Your initial comment isn't an issue because there is nothing wrong with staying onsite and not going to the parks, or staying onsite and not going to the theme parks literally every day of your resort reservation.
 
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