Disney Set To Announce Ambitious Star Wars Theme Park

[lockedoutlogic]

The disney golden age of parks was 1955-71….and renaissance from about 88-98…

with notable third party paid sites like tokyo disneyland and disneysea at other times…

This last 15 years has been nothing of the sort…3 pretty awful parks opened…one ripped apart in embarrassing fashion (at least it was done)…and a nickel spent for every dollar reaped at the flagship…

I know…i know…dividend is nice and the stock has gone way up since the last economic meltdown (i'm getting old and confused and can't remember what that was…but i'm sure it was man made and profitable)…and i can't "reasonable expect" care towards orlando…because 95% of visitors are now first timers, and the world is doing great, and there are billions lining up behind them in Paraguay and Quatar and Macedonia to take their places…so i'm not needed anymore…

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[perditax]

I fell for the misleading headline and clicked. I hate the Internet sometimes.

 

[rteetz]

I'm sorry, but NF is better then anything that was in there before. What made Snow Whites Scary Adventure up to Disney Standard, and Mine Train not? What made Toontown up to Disney Standard, and the Circus Area not good enough? Why is it that Ariel's Grotto was up to Disney Standard and the new ride and themed area not good enough? I think it checks all the marks.

I'm sorry I have no real memory of Snow White scary adventure but it was a dark ride something that fantasyland is known for. The mine train track was reduced three times until it got to what was built. They could've done more show scenes or made it longer than it could be considered a E ticket otherwise it's a D. It's a good ride no doubt about that but it's not great. Circus area is an upgrade from toon town? Some tents and a doubled dumbo I don't know about that. Toon town kids loved you could go to mickeys house at least I loved it as a young kid. The new ride isn't new it's the same thing from DCA. The themed ouside area is better than DCAs but the ride isn't.

 

[DDLand]

The disney golden age of parks was 1955-71….and renaissance from about 88-98…

with notable third party paid sites like tokyo disneyland and disneysea at other times…

This last 15 years has been nothing of the sort…3 pretty awful parks opened…one ripped apart in embarrassing fashion (at least it was done)…and a nickel spent for every dollar reaped at the flagship…

I know…i know…dividend is nice and the stock has gone way up since the last economic meltdown (i'm getting old and confused and can't remember what that was…but i'm sure it was man made and profitable)…and i can't "reasonable expect" care towards orlando…because 95% of visitors are now first timers, and the world is doing great, and there are billions lining up behind them in Paraguay and Quatar and Macedonia to take their places…so i'm not needed anymore…

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You're making me think of the Disney Decade... Too painful. Hey, at least these guys don't over promise and under deliver. Lol

 

[rteetz]

You're making me think of the Disney Decade... Too painful. Hey, at least these guys don't over promise and under deliver. Lol

They could be with Star Wars. I hope not but you never know especially since this is going to be a global presence and we know where the money is going there.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I agree with you but I think they have to do something in 6 years for the 50th. If not that will be incredibly disappointing.

Listen…disneyland has a longterm, local clientele…so those "milestone" anniversaries mean something to them…and they sell.

wdw is nothing of the sort. Tourida Haute Grande doesn't give a crap about when magic kingdom opened…they'll book just to bring an annual batch of 17 year olds…
WDW hasn't done one of these big "gotta come" events since 2000 that made sense. Not these vague "magical gatherings" and "year of dreams" nonsense. It doesn't sell.

Two Reasons:
1. Eisner (or underlings of that era that he didn't fire or chase to a retail store) was the champion of those things…he had good success with them and thought they were important
2. A celebration…required investment…you had to open something new - or several somethings…to sweeten the pot and sell packages. That seems to be a deal breaker these days. Instead of 12-18 months of construction - often unannounced and opening. Its now press event for announcement…3 years of "amazing development" behind the seems that takes the form of an amoeba…and then 3-5 years of construction that makes the customer shout "open the damn thing already!!"

which may be intention as a tactic…the last part…hmmm

 

[lockedoutlogic]

They could be with Star Wars. I hope not but you never know especially since this is going to be a global presence and we know where the money is going there.

Bingo!

 

[DDLand]

I'm sorry I have no real memory of Snow White scary adventure but it was a dark ride something that fantasyland is known for. The mine train track was reduced three times until it got to what was built. They could've done more show scenes or made it longer than it could be considered a E ticket otherwise it's a D. It's a good ride no doubt about that but it's not great. Circus area is an upgrade from toon town? Some tents and a doubled dumbo I don't know about that. Toon town kids loved you could go to mickeys house at least I loved it as a young kid. The new ride isn't new it's the same thing from DCA. The themed ouside area is better than DCAs but the ride isn't.

So, you didn't even go on SWSA and you complain about the new iteration? Don't you see any red flags that you don't remember a ride? The doubled Dumbo and indoor waiting system were well implemented. I think it was an improvement over the aged Toontown. That's over thinking it rteetz. For Walt Disney World guests it was new. Last time I heard I think it was new for you too. The rides were developed in conjuncture with one another. To say one was a clone of the other would be silly as the ride was designed to be put on both coasts at the same time.

 

[rteetz]

Listen…disneyland has a longterm, local clientele…so those "milestone" anniversaries mean something to them…and they sell.

wdw is nothing of the sort. Tourida Haute Grande doesn't give a crap about when magic kingdom opened…they'll book just to bring an annual batch of 17 year olds…
WDW hasn't done one of these big "gotta come" events since 2000 that made sense. Not these vague "magical gatherings" and "year of dreams" nonsense. It doesn't sell.

Two Reasons:
1. Eisner (or underlings of that era that he didn't fire or chase to a retail store) was the champion of those things…he had good success with them and thought they were important
2. A celebration…required investment…you had to open something new - or several somethings…to sweeten the pot and sell packages. That seems to be a deal breaker these days. Instead of 12-18 months of construction - often unannounced and opening. Its now press event for announcement…3 years of "amazing development" behind the seems that takes the form of an amoeba…and then 3-5 years of construction that makes the customer shout "open the damn thing already!!"

which may be intention as a tactic…the last part…hmmm

I know what disneyland has and what it means.

I'm not saying it has to be a ride which it should be but something. Maybe refurbs of some rides, new fireworks and a new parade. FoF will be 6 by then and NFL won't be new anymore. Wishes is going to be over 20 by then. We will have a new CEO and parks leader at that time so we will have to wait and see.

 

[DDLand]

They could be with Star Wars. I hope not but you never know especially since this is going to be a global presence and we know where the money is going there.

Maybe, but it will never be like Westcot, Disney Sea, Disney America, or Disney's Wild Animal Kingdom. Those were the biggest let downs in the history of theme parks.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I'm not saying it has to be a ride which it should be but something. Maybe refurbs of some rides, new fireworks and a new parade. FoF will be 6 by then and NFL won't be new anymore. Wishes is going to be over 20 by then. We will have a new CEO and parks leader at that time so we will have to wait and see.

what makes you think any of those details matter to anyone?

Until they have a significant (like 20%) drop in advanced CRS bookings and forecast and the survey data tells them that its completely due to lack of desire to repeat stale things at higher cost…

then they'll do whatever seems prudent in a room in california that overlooks disney…LAND

 

[rteetz]

So, you didn't even go on SWSA and you complain about the new iteration? Don't you see any red flags that you don't remember a ride? The doubled Dumbo and indoor waiting system were well implemented. I think it was an improvement over the aged Toontown. That's over thinking it rteetz. For Walt Disney World guests it was new. Last time I heard I think it was new for you too. The rides were developed in conjuncture with one another. To say one was a clone of the other would be silly as the ride was designed to be put on both coasts at the same time.

I'm 16 I don't remember Snow White I have seen videos yes it was old but it was classic dark ride like Toad. Mine train is good I like it I've ridden it 3 times but it could've been better. Majority of the time everything is new for the WDW guest because most of them have never been they are first timers. This isn't disneykand where everyone lives within a few hours. I didn't say toontown wasn't aged but storybook circus didn't bring anything new. The DCA one opened in 2011. The NFL in 2013. That's two years they could've made it different or better in many ways. It's not a bad ride but cloning a ride is cheaper than making a new one.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Maybe, but it will never be like Westcot, Disney Sea, Disney America, or Disney's Wild Animal Kingdom. Those were the biggest let downs in the history of theme parks.

For me it was Disney America…

not because i wanted to drive to a midatlantic climate and have a johnny appleseed rum cake (i'm cool in the swamp - thanks)…
but they couldn't lock down a deal and sell a park in the most crowded area of the country where about 75% of the money was and who were rabid for disney….

how you screw that up? (minimum wage promises and insistence on tax giveaways…might have had something to do with it. Wait…"historical preservation"…right)

 

[rteetz]

what makes you think any of those details matter to anyone?

Until they have a significant (like 20%) drop in advanced CRS bookings and forecast and the survey data tells them that its completely due to lack of desire to repeat stale things at higher cost…

then they'll do whatever seems prudent in a room in california that overlooks disney…LAND

They matter to all of the repeat guests. Yes I know that is the minority at WDW. DHS at least got a ceremony, and some merchandise 25th. Same with AK for its 15th. 50 has give us something more than merchandise. New blood will be overlooking the resort at that time. Georgie K and Phil Holmes aren't getting any younger.

 

[rteetz]

Maybe, but it will never be like Westcot, Disney Sea, Disney America, or Disney's Wild Animal Kingdom. Those were the biggest let downs in the history of theme parks.

Isn't Disney Sea a highly successful theme park in Tokyo? Westcot that would have been interesting.

 

[DDLand]

I'm 16 I don't remember Snow White I have seen videos yes it was old but it was classic dark ride like Toad. Mine train is good I like it I've ridden it 3 times but it could've been better. Majority of the time everything is new for the WDW guest because most of them have never been they are first timers. This isn't disneykand where everyone lives within a few hours. I didn't say toontown wasn't aged but storybook circus didn't bring anything new. The DCA one opened in 2011. The NFL in 2013. That's two years they could've made it different or better in many ways. It's not a bad ride but cloning a ride is cheaper than making a new one.

So am I, you went when you were a kid right? It just wasn't that memorable to most people. It either had to be updated like Disneyland or something new. Hey, at least we got something new!

It brought what people wanted, more Dumbo and AC. You may not like it, but that's what guest surveys said the people wanted. Consumers are always right?

More like late 2012... It's cheap yes, but both coasts got a brand new attraction. (and pre refurb DCA we had the better version with the wait lines and show building).

 

[DDLand]

Isn't Disney Sea a highly successful theme park in Tokyo? Westcot that would have been interesting.

Disney Sea (or Port Disney as it was known when it was announced) was an ambitious theme park and resort district planned for Long Beach California. It would've featured many components of TDS plus a science focus as well. Among other things it would have a cruise ship terminal for DCL, multiple themed hotels, and an extensive shopping district. Really, it would've been amazing! Sadly some say it was never even seriously considered possible to open, due to the extensive dredging and tax dollars it would've required. History looks at it more like a way to make Anahiem sweat a little to win WestCot.

As you obviously know, WestCot didn't turn out all that well...

 

[rteetz]

So am I, you went when you were a kid right? It just wasn't that memorable to most people. It either had to be updated like Disneyland or something new. Hey, at least we got something new!

It brought what people wanted, more Dumbo and AC. You may not like it, but that's what guest surveys said the people wanted. Consumers are always right?

More like late 2012... It's cheap yes, but both coasts got a brand new attraction. (and pre refurb DCA we had the better version with the wait lines and show building).

Yes I went four times between the age of 8 months and 3 years. Then when I was six. I didn't go again until I was 13, then 15, and most recently this January. I really don't recall every riding it. It was closed of course when I went in 2012.

I can see why they did what they did with dumbo and that's fine I like the area but it wasn't new. It does fit better thematically though.

DCA just got a big refurb for LM with new affects. WDWs LM is currently under refurb let's hope we get the same affects.

 

[rteetz]

So am I, you went when you were a kid right? It just wasn't that memorable to most people. It either had to be updated like Disneyland or something new. Hey, at least we got something new!

It brought what people wanted, more Dumbo and AC. You may not like it, but that's what guest surveys said the people wanted. Consumers are always right?

More like late 2012... It's cheap yes, but both coasts got a brand new attraction. (and pre refurb DCA we had the better version with the wait lines and show building).

Yes I went four times between the age of 8 months and 3 years. Then when I was six. I didn't go again until I was 13, then 15, and most recently this January. I really don't recall every riding it. It was closed of course when I went in 2012.

I can see why they did what they did with dumbo and that's fine I like the area but it wasn't new. It does fit better thematically though.

DCA just got a big refurb for LM with new affects. WDWs LM is currently under refurb let's hope we get the same affects.

 

[rteetz]

Disney Sea (or Port Disney as it was known when it was announced) was an ambitious theme park and resort district planned for Long Beach California. It would've featured many components of TDS plus a science focus as well. Among other things it would have a cruise ship terminal for DCL, multiple themed hotels, and an extensive shopping district. Really, it would've been amazing! Sadly some say it was never even seriously considered possible to open, due to the extensive dredging and tax dollars it would've required. History looks at it more like a way to make Anahiem sweat a little to win WestCot.

As you obviously know, WestCot didn't turn out all that well...

Intersting I've never heard of that version of Disney Sea. I can definitely see why it wasn't built.