Disney Senate investigation

[insureman]

As pro Disney as I am if this is true I'll be really disappointed in them.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-06-...ey-fires-american-workers-uses-h-1b-visas-fly

 

[rteetz]

This isn't something new. It's months old it's just the NYTimes picked up on it now and then a Senator in Florida of course wants to look at it. Disney isn't the first company to do something like this nor will they be the last. Outsourcing jobs is nothing new.

 

[Josh Hendy]

This isn't something new. It's months old it's just the NYTimes picked up on it now and then a Senator in Florida of course wants to look at it. Disney isn't the first company to do something like this nor will they be the last. Outsourcing jobs is nothing new.

This isn't about "outsourcing" meaning laying off people in USA and hiring people to do similar work in India. It's about applying for H-1B visa workers to be allowed into the USA after attesting that (a) US citizens are unavailable to do the work, and that (b) the visa workers will be paid the exact same or greater wages and benefits that US citizens earn when they do similar work in the field.

If the laid-off workers' stories are true, then somebody lied on the attestations attached to the visa applications. Do the laws concerning applications for H-1B visas allow for penalties such as fines and imprisonment for making a false attestations? For most kinds of crimes, committing not only the offense itself is punishable, but conspiring with someone to break the law is also punishable. Meaning that not only might the "outsourcing" (actually insourcing) company be in legal jeopardy, according to the stated facts, but the Disney corporation may also be in a bit of doo-doo.

So when you say, "this isn't something new" do you mean that companies hire workers in India? That is irrelevant to this case. Do you mean that companies lie and break the law concerning H-1Bs all the time and they're frequently punished, so don't worry? Or do you mean, this kind of illegal action is very common and it's never punished, so we should all just get over it?

 

[insureman]

This isn't something new. It's months old it's just the NYTimes picked up on it now and then a Senator in Florida of course wants to look at it. Disney isn't the first company to do something like this nor will they be the last. Outsourcing jobs is nothing new.

It's not outsourcing if you're bringing in replacement employees from another country using a visa program that was supposed to be used for hard to find tech employees. Not good for Disney if this goes main stream media.

 

[KYMickey]

It's not outsourcing if you're bringing in replacement employees from another country using a visa program that was supposed to be used for hard to find tech employees. Not good for Disney if this goes main stream media.

Hopefully it will go mainstream and an example will be made of Disney in this case! It happened many times and the companies keep on doing it because nobody has ever gotten in trouble for it.

 

[JiminyC&me]

If this is true, I'll be extremely disappointed with Disney. Even if they've been able to "legally" get around the H-1B requirements, ethically, morally, it's wrong. Not something I'd expect from a family oriented entity. I've got my scissors right next to my magicband so if this turns out to be true, I'll be sending my band back to Disney in pieces.

 

[Barnabe]

If this is true, I'll be extremely disappointed with Disney. Even if they've been able to "legally" get around the H-1B requirements, ethically, morally, it's wrong. Not something I'd expect from a family oriented entity. I've got my scissors right next to my magicband so if this turns out to be true, I'll be sending my band back to Disney in pieces.

I think you'd better make sure they're sharp enough!

 

[DrBanner]

When they had POTUS giving a speech in the middle of main street would you expect anything less..

 

[insureman]

One thing for sure you'll never see it on ABC news.

 

[patsal]

It has definitely hit the main stream as I have had several people share it to me on FB today alone.

 

[Josh Hendy]

And that's after getting a lot of borderline "hit" pieces highlighting Disney's theme park prices.

It's hard to know sometimes why the media decide to "climb on" something and ride it ... at some point someone or something strikes them as being ridiculous or egregiously unethical, and they pick on it until they find something else to pick on. Or someone tells them to stop. Maybe they just smelt blood in the water over the price increases and tiered pricing survey so they jumped on the H-1B issue.

In another life, it was well known in my old company that to get good press, or to get news journals off your back, you just needed to take out lots of advertisements. "Company of the Year" and "Product of the Year" awards followed soon after.

 

[Planogirl]

I'm seeing people talking about this in several places too.

I think that it'll be good to get this out in the open. Not so much because it's Disney but because it's a big problem nowadays throughout industry.

 

[cleverclovers]

As pro Disney as I am if this is true I'll be really disappointed in them.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-06-...ey-fires-american-workers-uses-h-1b-visas-fly

Really makes you want to rush right out and book that overpriced, over hyped, over crowded trip to Disney, doesn't it.

 

[Greg K.]

That grinding sound you hear is Walt, turning over in his grave.

 

[nonnydd]

I do want Disney to be fully compliant, and investigation is warranted. But we have all been complaining about the Disney website and app for years. Perhaps they couldn't find enough of the right tech workers. Why would Disney go through the visa paperwork and potential bad press if they could get the work done with the current crew? Time will tell.

 

[seascapemvy]

Bringing in foreign workers to lower American's pay is wrong on many fronts but to complain about high paying jobs only is wrong. Look at pay for high school dropouts. Their pay is grossly lower in real terms than it was in the 1980S. Why because of illegal immigration. Keep in mind I love immigration and want more but we need to keep it at the high end of the economy and not the low end. We should also let all college graduates in. Everyone. Not keep them out and let the low income earners in. We should all pay more for our lawn care and house cleaning. Ripping off illegal immigrants and not paying hard working Americans is wrong.

 

[CdnKayDee]

Canada recently got rid of or made big changes to similar program for basically the same reason. One thing that was pointed out up here was that the visa workers were stuck in the job which led to employee abuse ie no overtime and threats of deportation. This is one reason an employer would go through the paper work for an employee who will just do what there told no questions asked and not look for another job or a raise.

 

[Dizlvr]

This isn't about "outsourcing" meaning laying off people in USA and hiring people to do similar work in India. It's about applying for H-1B visa workers to be allowed into the USA after attesting that (a) US citizens are unavailable to do the work, and that (b) the visa workers will be paid the exact same or greater wages and benefits that US citizens earn when they do similar work in the field.

What is the advantage of hiring H-1B visa workers if their pay would be the same or more than an American worker? Just because Americans are available, doesn't mean they are capable of the job.

 

[ned911]

Their pay isn't the same, it's less. High Tech has been doing this for years including lobbying Congress to increase the number of H1-B's available. Corp America claims there is a skill problem, not the case they simple want cheap labor. If there was a skill problem wages would be rising, classic supply and demand - where there is demand and no supply price increases. Wages within high tech have been stagnant for the last 10 years. There is no supply issue CEO's simply want cheaper labor.

Maybe Disney being drug through this (unfairly) will shed some light, however I don't trust the fed to actually fix anything.

 

[Dizlvr]

Their pay isn't the same, it's less. High Tech has been doing this for years including lobbying Congress to increase the number of H1-B's available. Corp America claims there is a skill problem, not the case they simple want cheap labor. If there was a skill problem wages would be rising, classic supply and demand - where there is demand and no supply price increases. Wages within high tech have been stagnant for the last 10 years. There is no supply issue CEO's simply want cheaper labor.

Maybe Disney being drug through this (unfairly) will shed some light, however I don't trust the fed to actually fix anything.

I assumed they would be paid less, but the pp claims they would be paid the same or more.