Disney Raises Prices for the 2nd Time This Year

[YoHo]

We ALL do that!!!

And thus opinions have more or less value based on what you have available to you for facts.

 

[mitros]

Watch out disboarders, a moderator may call this an insulting debate of some sort, and shut 'er down!

 

[ChrisFL]

Yeah...Walt was into 'inclusive':

"To all who come to this happy place – welcome. Disneyland is your land. Here age relives fond memories of the past and here youth may savor the challenge and promise of the future. Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, dreams and the hard facts that have created America… with the hope that it will be a source of joy and inspiration to all the world." Walter E. Disney, July 17, 1955

barrel

Absolutely, if people want to make an exclusive to only the highest paid people with their noses in the air at all times, feel free to BUILD YOUR OWN THEME PARK and let the rest of us enjoy a park that is open to all

 

[MJMcBride]

Karnak responded, but did not confirm what his definition of "undesirable" was. We assumed poor and it was left at that. Although I will admit that there is an overwhelmingly strong lack of a response that leaves one wondering....

I agree that the poster never confirmed anything. If he/she did not mean "poor = undesirable" then I am at a loss as to the point of that post.

 

[mouseaddicts]

To me "undesirable" means the "guest" that decides to take his shirt off while standing in line and has to be told by security that Disney is a family place to please put his shirt back on.

"Undesirable" is the "guest" that has had to much to drink at Epcot at 3 in the afternoon and is loud and obnoixous and frightens most of the children on the bus, monorail or friendship boat. (I included different types of transportation so I wouldnt offend the "poor".

I welcome anyone with human decency to share in the magic of Disney with my family no matter their income. But put your PC behind you and we all know what "undesirable" is.

Please dont be offended by my signature, I have more resorts to add.

 

[YoHo]

Unfortunatly, that definition of Undesirable makes no sense in the context of this conversation.

 

[Keyser]

To me "undesirable" means the "guest" that decides to take his shirt off while standing in line and has to be told by security that Disney is a family place to please put his shirt back on.

"Undesirable" is the "guest" that has had to much to drink at Epcot at 3 in the afternoon and is loud and obnoixous and frightens most of the children on the bus, monorail or friendship boat. (I included different types of transportation so I wouldnt offend the "poor".

I welcome anyone with human decency to share in the magic of Disney with my family no matter their income. But put your PC behind you and we all know what "undesirable" is.

You know, I agree that those you mention can be undesirable, as are various line-ignoring and otherwise rude and obnoxious folks. Then there are the teenage/young adults that seem to be gang members that one occasionally finds hanging out at Six Flags parks. But, I don't think that raising ticket prices is really going to deter most of these folks any more than they are already. In fact, my impression of the few drunks I've encountered in parks is that they tend to be more well-to-do and exhibit a higher sense of privilege than others (I expect the poorer folks already find cheaper places to get drunk...).

 

[Karnak]

My recent post suggesting that Disney’s recent ticket price increases might be an attempt to keep “undesirables” away from the parks caused quite a stir on this thread, and some very interesting responses. If I may, let me comment on some of those posts below:

Another Voice: Particularly loud in her/his posts, calling my statement “vile and disgusting,” and saying that I “hate” undesirables. (Incorrect assumption I assure you. Actually, I hate no one, and so far as I know I have no enemies anywhere.) Saying that people show “wasted time and wasted income to list seven different resorts in their signature.” (I have no income to waste, and time is becoming more and more of a concern to me as well. I listed the resorts I’ve stayed thinking that the information might be of use to someone who had specific questions about those resorts and not as an attempt to brag in any way.)

Warpdarkmatter: Your comment that my post was “meant to describe trouble makers, the type of person who just ruin it for others and the type you don’t want your kids around.” hit the nail on the head.

Dementia412: “... high prices have never kept out jerks!” Perhaps not, but they might discourage undesirables. (Read on.)

Mjstaceyuofm: “... an awful experience: line-cutting, cursing, and general rudeness beyond belief.” describing a Nascar event, but an apt description of the kind of “undesirables” I had in mind. (Read on.)

Another Voice: “All raising prices will do is to keep good and normal people out.” I do not think this statement is accurate, at least I sure hope it isn’t.

mitros: “I’d be tempted to agree with your statement ...” Thank you for being one of those who did not jump to conclusions about the word “undesirables.”

Barreloflaughs: “... you’d do well to stop slamming those who are doing as you requested (i.e. figuring it out for themselves). Just who are “those” being slammed? The only poster I’ve responded to before this post was Another Voice, and that only because of the use of words like “vile” and “hate.” “Those”?

MJMcBride: Stated that the term “undesirable” clearly implied “people of low income.” This is yet another false assumption. I know what it is to be a person of low income. My wife and I raised five children on a Kentucky teacher’s income for 30 years, with no other income except what I could earn doing all sorts of work during the “summer vacations.” The fact is that during those 30 years my wife and I had only one day at Disney’s Magic Kingdom. One day out of 30 years, and that without the children. (I still remember Captain E.O.) We certainly qualified as persons of low income, and my post had nothing at all to do with low income people.

Excelica: “I do think that the poster meant poor people by “undesirables,” and I think that is sad and wrong.” Once again, a faulty assumption. Read the above paragraph.

manning: “It’s not in the social class, it’s how they are brought up!” Bingo! Hit the nail on the head with this one. And of our five children are well adjusted, successful, family members. I give most of the credit to my wife for this. None of them have a college education, but all of them are earning a great deal more than I ever did as a public school teacher.

Another Voice: “You can afford many, many trips, but that does not give you the right to sneer at those people who can not.” There are two erroneous assumptions in that sentence alone: I can not afford many trips, and I do not “sneer” at anyone. Good grief.

Mjstaceyuofm: (responding to Another Voice’s post) “There you go again - defining what is or isn’t correct. How do you know Karnak’s ‘opinion’ wasn’t formed through reason? It was presented as rationally as yours - via a Disney message board ...” Thanks.

And finally, from MJMcBride: “... the initial post at least on its face, was a shot at “poor” people. And as far as I can, this has not been denied.” I do not feel the need to deny anything, However, I will explain what I had in mind when I wrote the original post.

Not too long ago there was an item in the newspaper about theme parks in general having a real problem with hordes of young people (I would think of high school and college age), arriving at some theme parks (other than Disney), and behaving very badly, making the park an undesirable place to bring ones family. The article suggested that the problem was caused because many parks had either lowered prices, or had some special promotion that encouraged the groups to go to the park. There were many problems associated with these unwanted park guests, as you can imagine. (This reminded me very much of mjstaceyuofm’s post describing a Nascar event.)

When I used the word “undesirables” I was thinking of the young people who might jump on the band wagon, spreading the word, and thinking it would be a blast to inundate one of the Disney parks with revelers who could care less about Disney’s park policies.

Perhaps higher prices would not stop such an invasion anyhow; but higher prices might cause some to skip the party.

But in any case, that’s what I was thinking about when I made my original post, and well meaning posters like Another Voice might want to look a bit deeper before jumping off the deep end.

By the way. I’m not one to hold grudges. Actually, I found this whole thing to be interesting.

Karnak

 

[MJMcBride]

But you must admit, Karnak, that your initial post certainly seemed to be a shot at poor people. But what you are saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that high proces will keep people out who just want to cause trouble and only people who truly enjoy the parks will fork over the cash. right?

 

[ChrisFL]

Heh, I went to a high school with a lot of rich kids...there were a lot of delinquents and troublemakers...their available cash didn't affect that, in fact it could have made it worse.

 

[cxcelica]

Not too long ago there was an item in the newspaper about theme parks in general having a real problem with hordes of young people (I would think of high school and college age), arriving at some theme parks (other than Disney), and behaving very badly, making the park an undesirable place to bring ones family. The article suggested that the problem was caused because many parks had either lowered prices, or had some special promotion that encouraged the groups to go to the park. There were many problems associated with these unwanted park guests, as you can imagine. (This reminded me very much of mjstaceyuofm’s post describing a Nascar event.)

When I used the word “undesirables” I was thinking of the young people who might jump on the band wagon, spreading the word, and thinking it would be a blast to inundate one of the Disney parks with revelers who could care less about Disney’s park policies.

Karnak

I would have to say your posts come across as bitter and very prejudiced. Please note I said your posts, I don't know you.

First off you are referencing an "article" you once read in a newspaper. Seems a little vague to be basing your theories off of.

Secondly you cite the undesireables as "young people" who want to jump on the band wagon. Speaking from personal experience I believe I might fit into your blanket "young people" and I can say noone I know has every said "Disney is inexpensive enough, lets go there and blast around and ignore Disney Park Policy.

If you want to say that the prices might be designed to drive out people who go there just because they want to "cause trouble", that may be a little less insulting, but I think you would still be wrong.

 

[YoHo]

There is no way any reasonable person could understand that that is what you meant based on the information provided. To assume anyone would is just ridiculous.

Further, it's still an inappropriate choice of terms. While gaggles of teenagers can be frustrating, they aren't undesirable. In fact, they're incredibly desirable since Disney thinks it has a problem with that market segment AND today's teenager will be tomorrow's parent. How could discouraging a love of Disney be a bad thing.


In short, for a teacher, you sure communicated poorly.

 

[Another Voice]

When I used the word “undesirables” I was thinking of the young people who might jump on the band wagon, spreading the word, and thinking it would be a blast to inundate one of the Disney parks with revelers who could care less about Disney’s park policies.

Yes - as we all know there are throngs of MTV viewers waiting with credit cards in their hands ready to pounce on WDW to turn it into a giant Woodstock of undeserible behavior. At this very moment the Insane Clown Posse is waiting to stage an undeserible concert at Pleasure Island, drunken young people of all ages are lined up at Typhoon Lagoon waiting to flash the Girls Gone Wild cameras, and Paris Hilton is plotting grand schemes about line jumping at Space Moutain.


I can't tell if you're intentionally trying to insult my intellegence or not.

 

[DancingBear]

When I used the word “undesirables” I was thinking of the young people who might jump on the band wagon, spreading the word, and thinking it would be a blast to inundate one of the Disney parks with revelers who could care less about Disney’s park policies.

Uhhhh, if that's what you were thinking of, why didn't you come out and say so? Instead, you intentionally omitted an explanation, leaving only the syllogism:

Disney is raising prices
This will keep away "undesirables"
Therefor, "undesirables" are people who can't afford the increased prices.

Whether or not that was your intention MAY be debatable; however, your taking offense at those who drew that conclusion is absurd.

 

[MJMcBride]

. drunken young people of all ages are lined up at Typhoon Lagoon waiting to flash the Girls Gone Wild cameras,

I'm on my way.

 

[Sarangel]

This conversation is degenerating rapidly, perhaps to the point of no return. I am, therefore, closing this thread.