Disney Raises Prices for the 2nd Time This Year

[dbm20th]

I am willing to bet that there will be little to no evidence that this price increase discourages anyone from attending. Thongs or no thongs. Just a hunch

 

[Karnak]

What a vile and disgusting statement.

WDW is a place for anyone who wants to go. No one should be sneered at, no one should be looked down upon. For a lot of “the undesirables” you hate, this is probably the trip of a lifetime. The worst behavior I have seen at either WDW or Disneyland comes from people with enough wasted time and wasted income to list seven different resorts in their signature. There’s a rotten sense of privilege and self-importance that’s sinking up “Disney fans”.

People should look after themselves rather than trying to bar others.

Another Voice's comment is a prime example of why many people are afraid to express honest opinions on these threads. The writer assumes to know what I meant by "undersirables," when in fact he or she has no clue.

Why do some posters on this really useful site set themselves up as boss of the political correct crowd? "Vile and disgusting" indeed. That's just what the above posters comments were to me.

I can't count the times on here that I have read some rude posters comments, who probably made said comments simply an attempt to claim the moral high ground. I always wonder who died and left them king.

AS for listing several past trips to WDW ... If that is also "disgusting," then I assume the poster finds almost all of those who post on these boards to be guilty of having "wasted tme and wasted income." because most do list past Disney vacations, many more than seven.

It seems to me that the poster is himself or herself a prime example of a person with "a rotten sense of privilege and self-importance."

But I do agree that "people should look after themselves ..." Advice the poster should consider taking himself or herself.

Enjoy.

 

[barreloflaughs]

Another Voice's comment is a prime example of why many people are afraid to express honest opinions on these threads. The writer assumes to know what I meant by "undersirables," when in fact he or she has no clue.

Of course, this nonsense would have been avoided if you had simply explained what you meant by 'undesirables'. You wrote this in your original message:

PS: Please don't ask me to define "undesirables." Figure it out for yourself.

Yup. You invited folks to guess what you meant. I assume that all of the guesses so far have been incorrect? Maybe you'll enlighten us, maybe not. In any case you'd do well to stop slamming those who are doing as you requested (i.e., figuring it out for themselves).

barrel

 

[MJMcBride]

If you read the post, it seems pretty obvious what "undesirables" meant. People of low income. If that is wrong, so be it, but that is clearly what is implied.

 

[cxcelica]

1. I think its sad that Disney raised the price tickets twice in one year, and even worse that they are offering no explanation for it as of yet. In addition, I believe Disney is having an up year in attendance and what not.

2. I do think that the poster meant poor people by "undesireables", and I think that is sad and wrong. I would think those who find it economically difficult to go to Disney may respect it more and be more well behaved since they realize how hard it was to get there and what a sacrifice they made. But that's just my opinion.

3. Thirdly, I think said poster brings up a good topic. If there was one group of "undesireables" that you could keep out of Disney who would it be. My vote is for those in the Electric Scooters who just honk and barrel past you just missing your toes, while their family is running behind them in the path that they just cleared and then take your spot for the fireworks show.

Comeon people you know you have seen this!!!

 

[manning]

I have seen some poor people who have done a better job of raising their family than some middle/rich class families.

I even know of a poor family with 8 kids where everyone of them went on to college and became successful. And they didn't forget where they came from.

It's not in the social class, it's in how they are brought up !!!!!

 

[Another Voice]

why many people are afraid to express honest opinions on these threads.

An opinion is based on knowledge, formed through reason and presented rationally.

“…keep undesirables away, making for a better experience for us all” is a slur.

Real opinions can be discussed; your condescending attitude can only be denounced.

The only people going to be kept way by a price increase are those people that make less money than you do. To lump all of us as “undesirable” is offensive. WDW is not your private enclave where you can wallow with “the right kind of people”. WDW belongs as much to the family that has to save five years to afford the Pop Century as it belongs to you.

No actually, it belongs more to them because they understand the real “magic”, some which appears to escape you.

You can afford many, many trips, but that does not give you the right to sneer at those people who can not.

 

[mjstaceyuofm]

An opinion is based on knowledge, formed through reason and presented rationally.

No.... An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. There you go again - defining what is or isn't correct. How do you know Karnak's "opinion" wasn't formed through reason? It was presented as rationally as yours - via a Disney message board.....

On the ticket price thing: It could just be that Disney raised the price on tickets because they found that they needed a bunch of extra money to build in all the quality that you say has been missing the past 10 years....

 

[MJMcBride]

No.... An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. There you go again - defining what is or isn't correct. How do you know Karnak's "opinion" wasn't formed through reason? It was presented as rationally as yours - via a Disney message board.....

In fairness to AV (and I try not to be as much as possible), the initial post at least on its face, was a shot at "poor" people. And as far as I can see, this has not been denied.

 

[Another Voice]

There you go again - defining what is or isn't correct.

No, I’m letting Mr. Webster do that. An opinion is supposed to a conclusion based on facts. There are no facts supporting the “higher prices keep the scum out”. The implication is that poor people are undesirable – something that a lot of people see in the post and one that has not been refuted by the original poster. The comment that “people with less money than me are undesirable” is not an opinion, it’s a bias.

It could just be that Disney raised the price on tickets because they found that they needed a bunch of extra money to build in all the quality that you say has been missing the past 10 years....

If that was the case I’d be thrilled. But using the past as an indication, I’m confident that all the extra money being raised will go to pay of the disaster of the ESPN cell phones, bail the studio out from years of The Shaggy Dog level flops and add more wet bars to all the corporate apartments Disney owns through New York.

Read what Iger has said – no mater capital investments in the domestic parks.

 

[mjstaceyuofm]

No, I’m letting Mr. Webster do that. An opinion is supposed to a conclusion based on facts.

Wrong: here's Websters definition(s):

1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter b : APPROVAL, ESTEEM
2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b : a generally held view
3 a : a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert b : the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based

Throw out Definition 3 a (a legal term) and there's nothing in there about facts. And BTW, that "quality" remark was meant to be tongue in cheek.

In fairness to AV (and I try not to be as much as possible), the initial post at least on its face, was a shot at "poor" people. And as far as I can see, this has not been denied.

Correct, but neither has it been confirmed. And after the bashings that went on and continue in this thread, why would anyone choose to respond?

Well... I'm not that soft. Here's my *opinion* on the matter:

It doesn't matter if it takes you 5 weeks, 5 months or 5 years to earn enough income to go on a Disney vacation. That's just the way the world is. I'm sorry if anyones personal circumstances limit them to one trip every so often. Others may not have those limitations and they shouldn't apologize for that. Some people "earn" less than others and some people "earn" more. I'll grant you that how you define "earn" is a different story. Some may count a trust-fund gaining interest "earning" money while others who put in 60 hrs a week as a firefighter, engineer, teacher, etc... consider their money "earned" as well. My *opinion* is that if you put a high enough price on something, you'll only get the people that *value* that particular commodity to spend money on it. Let's put people in the parks who *value* that experience as opposed to people who want to give it a shot because it's not that expensive...

That could be one particular definition for "undesirable".

 

[MJMcBride]

Correct, but neither has it been confirmed. And after the bashings that went on and continue in this thread, why would anyone choose to respond?

Actually, thats wrong. Karnak did respond and from reading his/her 2nd post, I still don't understand what was implied if it was not poor people.

 

[barreloflaughs]

Correct, but neither has it been confirmed. And after the bashings that went on and continue in this thread, why would anyone choose to respond?

Here is a better question: why would Karnak post in such a way as to purposely leave doubt as to what he/she meant? Why bother posting about 'undesirables' and then specifically warn the readers not to ask what he/she means by 'undesirables'? And why would Karnak jump ugly at a poster who makes the most logical assumption as to what he/she meant by 'undesirables'?

Answer: Karnak is a troll. The post was baiting and inflammatory. Karnak had an opportunity to set the record straight by telling us what he/she meant but chose to respond by attacking AVs post instead. Troll. 'Undesirable' troll.

barrel

 

[mjstaceyuofm]

Actually, thats wrong. Karnak did respond and from reading his/her 2nd post, I still don't understand what was implied if it was not poor people.

Karnak responded, but did not confirm what his definition of "undesirable" was. We assumed poor and it was left at that. Although I will admit that there is an overwhelmingly strong lack of a response that leaves one wondering....

 

[dbm20th]

I think we are all forgetting 2 things...

1. Don't ever take the bait so easily. I agree with barrel on that.

2. AV doesn't give opinions. Only facts...right?

 

[YoHo]

I can't think of a single way in which one could use the term "Undesirable" as a reference to Disney guests and not have it be absolutly offensive.

If discouraging that Kind of thing is considered bad, well then I'm bad to the bone.


Walt wished he could make the place free so that everyone could enjoy it. He also wanted to stabalize studio income, so he was never really going to make it free, but he would have if he could have.

 

[YoHo]

I think we are all forgetting 2 things...

1. Don't ever take the bait so easily. I agree with barrel on that.

2. AV doesn't give opinions. Only facts...right?

AV gives plenty of opinion.

Based on his definition of Opinion up there.

 

[dbm20th]

I can't think of a single way in which one could use the term "Undesirable" as a reference to Disney guests and not have it be absolutly offensive.

I agree with that 100%. If someone can tell me how undesirable is somehow not an insult to people, I'm all ears

 

[dbm20th]

AV gives plenty of opinion.

Based on his definition of Opinion up there.

We ALL do that!!!

 

[barreloflaughs]

Walt wished he could make the place free so that everyone could enjoy it. He also wanted to stabalize studio income, so he was never really going to make it free, but he would have if he could have.

Yeah...Walt was into 'inclusive':

"To all who come to this happy place – welcome. Disneyland is your land. Here age relives fond memories of the past and here youth may savor the challenge and promise of the future. Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, dreams and the hard facts that have created America… with the hope that it will be a source of joy and inspiration to all the world." Walter E. Disney, July 17, 1955

barrel