Disney parks now requiring immunization record for admittance?

[DDLand]

As I said, it was doctors who raised our suspicions, not "sketchy websites". There is no "interpretation" of the numbers. You can see the numbers by year. You can see the date the vaccine was introduced. It's very straighforward.

That "doctor" deserves to lose his license for endangering your child's life. You're honestly trying to understand and interpet data that you're not qualified to interpret. I'm sorry but if every private and public institution (almost every doctor though some are rebels) is saying that you're wrong, then you're probably wrong.

 

[Tarheel girl 1975]

Do you know what else brings back diseases? Allowing hoards of people into the country without medical checkups. TB is coming back. New viruses not before seen in the US are spreading. Chagas is spreading here now too.

So.... you're blaming this on illegal immigration?

 

[DDLand]

Do you know what else brings back diseases? Allowing hoards of people into the country without medical checkups. TB is coming back. New viruses not before seen in the US are spreading. Chagas is spreading here now too.

Great, now turn it into an immigration debate...

 

[7series]

Not only did I verify, but I posted in this thread, for all to see (including you) the numbers from JAMA (taken from CDC and NIH, which is who I assume you mean when you say CD). If you have a link that shows something different, please feel free to post it.

ETA: Water is absolutely dangers when you inhale it, The WHO estimates that 372,000 people died from drowning in 2012.

And you responded with an article. Articles involve interpretation. I go straight to the actual numbers without interpretation. I'll have to look up the rest, but as far as I remember, immunization for diphtheria started in the 1920s and it was not "eradicated" until some 80 years later. That would seem to be a pretty ineffective vaccine. I'll pull up the actual numbers tonight, free of interpretation.

 

[perditax]

Great, now turn it into an immigration debate...

Heh, I guess it was the next 'logical' step by that flavor of logic.

Back to the original article:

I think it would be a good idea if kids/people these days received an education on how to verify the quality of random information one finds on the internet. (It IS possible to evaluate this. Rule #1, if something seems completely crazy and you feel the urge to forward it on to everyone you know/post it on Facebook, you should probably stop right there and do some calm googling. There aren't enough Snopes editors to take on all the misinformation online, you have to learn to do your own sorting.)

 

[soniam]

Great, now turn it into an immigration debate...

If we get gun control and abortion in the conversation, then the Disboards could qualify as a news channel

 

[DDLand]

You forgot climate change!

 

[perditax]

Careful, we're getting dangerously close to Godwin's Law.

 

[7series]

So, the spreading of diseases thoughout the US that have previously only been known in Central America is not due to people coming in without medical checkups? Explain to me then what is causing it, and also detail why the enterovirus D68 cases just happened to be centered in states where unexamined people were sent.

 

[7series]

That "doctor" deserves to lose his license for endangering your child's life. You're honestly trying to understand and interpet data that you're not qualified to interpret. I'm sorry but if every private and public institution (almost every doctor though some are rebels) is saying that you're wrong, then you're probably wrong.

You know nothing about me or what I am quailfied to interpret. Looking at the yearly numbers for new cases and deaths, seeing the trends, seeing when the vaccine was introduced and its affect or lack thereof is statistics 101. If you feel unqualified to understand such things I'm sorry, but that hardly means that no one is qualifed.

 

[perditax]

Actually, nevermind.

A last word before I exit this thread: it's really, really important for the human race that you try not to get your scientific info from sources with an obvious political bias. Please, for the rest of us.

 

[DopeyDame]

And you responded with an article. Articles involve interpretation. I go atraight to the actual numbers without interpretation. I'll have to look up the rest, but as far as I remember, immunization for diphtheria started in the 1920s and it was not "eradicated" until some 80 years later. That would seem to be a pretty ineffective vaccine. I'll pull up the actual numbers tonight, free of interpretation.

Did you actually read my post and click on the link? As I said, Tables 1 and 2 in the link are raw numbers. No interpretation.

ETA (for those that care, since I'm sure 7series will find some reason to ignore this data): The dates used as "before" were chosen to be the years just before the vaccine was introduced, which is why it's different for each disease. 2006 and 2004 were chosen the last dates for which there was a complete set of data when the article was published. There's probably more recent data out there, but I don't have time to track it down. Sadly, given the anti-vaccination movement, the early 2000s were probably the best case scenario.


Since you can't seem to be bothered to click and look for yourself (or to post a refutation of any kind), here are a few of the numbers (I got bored and don't feel like typing them all out, so I'm only posting a handful of the diseases):


Measles
Average cases per year, 1953-1962: 530,217
Average deaths per year, 1953-1962: 440
Cases in 2006: 55
Deaths in 2004 0


Polio, acute
Average cases per year, 1941-1950: 19794
Average deaths per year, 1941-1950: 1393
Cases 2006: 0
Deaths 2004: 0

Diptheria
Average cases per year, 1936-1945: 21,053
Average deaths per year, 1936-1945: 1822
Cases 2006: 0
Deaths 2006: 0

 

[Happyinwonerland]

If Vaccines don't work, then why is it that in countries with poor health care availability, all these diseases that we vaccinate against are running rampant, yet are pretty much eradicated here?

Measles, for example, has been an ongoing problem in countries where the vaccine is not widely available. 17 people die per hour worldwide from measles. 17 people Per Hour. That's and insane number of death from a illness that is preventable.

I've been in healthcare for 6 years, I have worked at a top 20 public hospital the whole time. I have worked most types of care, ER ICU acute, cancer, hospice, been there done that. I have not once, not a single time, taken care or anyone who has had a reaction to a vaccine. I have, however, rolled people who died of complications flu and hep B and meningitis down to the morgue. I'll be taking my vaccinations, thank you.

 

[gemini2727]

If Vaccines don't work, then why is it that in countries with poor health care availability, all these diseases that we vaccinate against are running rampant, yet are pretty much eradicated here?

Measles, for example, has been an ongoing problem in countries where the vaccine is not widely available. 17 people die per hour worldwide from measles. 17 people Per Hour. That's and insane number of death from a illness that is preventable.

I've been in healthcare for 6 years, I have worked at a top 20 public hospital the whole time. I have worked most types of care, ER ICU acute, cancer, hospice, been there done that. I have not once, not a single time, taken care or anyone who has had a reaction to a vaccine. I have, however, rolled people who died of complications flu and hep B and meningitis down to the morgue. I'll be taking my vaccinations, thank you.

Look at you, using common sense and all...stop it now!

 

[DDLand]

The problem with the anti vaccine crowd is no one's sources are accepted.

Government= Bought out by corporations.

Private Studies=Paid for by corporations

Education Institutions= Paid for by corporations.

Doctors=Stand to gain from vaccines.

Corporations= Evil and greedy.

People who have enjoyed the benefits of vaccines for years=sheep exploited by above groups.

Last time I checked the moron who started the anti vaccine movement gained power and influence. Shouldn't that be incentive enough to try to publish research that vaccines don't work? They don't though. Because they work! (And because some doctors actually care about their work)

 

[Reppstir]

As I said, it was doctors who raised our suspicions, not "sketchy websites". There is no "interpretation" of the numbers. You can see the numbers by year. You can see the date the vaccine was introduced. It's very straighforward.

Thanks, 7.
Glad you raved on for all to see, so I can rest my case.
We are being overrun by morons.

 

[Andrew015]

Disney would let a group of hacking Ebola patients into their parks, so long as they were willing to pay rack rates and purchase the meal plan.

 

[RescueRanger]

Disney would let a group of hacking Ebola patients into their parks, so long as they were willing to pay rack rates and purchase the meal plan.

Ding ding ding we have a winner! Quote of the year! Also, if you don't get immunizations for your child, you are a moron.

 

[HopperFan]

Forum join date + number of posts = do not respond!

 

[mj70148]

I hate that kids who can't get vaccinations (from other illnesses that make them incapable of safely getting them) are potentially put at risk because of people who had the choice to vaccinate and didn't. But if everyone made choices to benefit society above their own individual selves... we wouldn't live in a "free country". The best thing to do is to protect yourself/your children from those who choose to not protect themselves.

Kind of unrelated, but I had a reaction to the flu shot this year, for the first time, and i've gotten the shot for 15+ years straight. I had a lot of medical problems as a result and I'm still dealing with unknowns related to the reaction, 4 months later. I personally would take the flu over this...whatever it is... so I'll never got the shot again... I am not opposed to vaccinations and I will vaccinate my children, but I can say from my experience I will be very intentional about being informed on what is included in each vaccine.