Disney Is the Happiest Place on Earth, if You Can Afford It

The title might be true for some, but there are plenty of places that make people "happier" and not cost much. Or, if people are willing to empty their flush bank accounts, there are plenty of places that would make them "happier" than Disney.

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I think there is a lot of truth to that statement
Maybe. I'm not sure the math maths. What do you suppose one's net worth has to be to get to the point that income does not matter? And how many households have that net worth?

For example: My employer's endowment spend policy is: 4.5% of the average balance over the past 28 quarters. Given the ordinary rate of return in the market, that's pretty close to (and a little less than) the "4% rule". So, for assets to replace an income stream of $X in a way that tracks inflation, you need assets of ~25 times $X.

In other words, if you want to generate $100,000/year---and that's pretty solidly middle class, not wealthy---you need an asset base of $2.5M. That puts you in the upper less-than-10%, and I suspect Disney's addressible market is larger than 10% of the US.

Where I believe the "asset class" does show up is in some of the upper-tier offerings: Club 33, the various park tours, hotel suites, etc.
 
Maybe. I'm not sure the math maths. What do you suppose one's net worth has to be to get to the point that income does not matter? And how many households have that net worth?

For example: My employer's endowment spend policy is: 4.5% of the average balance over the past 28 quarters. Given the ordinary rate of return in the market, that's pretty close to (and a little less than) the "4% rule". So, for assets to replace an income stream of $X in a way that tracks inflation, you need assets of ~25 times $X.

In other words, if you want to generate $100,000/year---and that's pretty solidly middle class, not wealthy---you need an asset base of $2.5M. That puts you in the upper less-than-10%, and I suspect Disney's addressible market is larger than 10% of the US.

Where I believe the "asset class" does show up is in some of the upper-tier offerings: Club 33, the various park tours, hotel suites, etc.
I never said anything about people not depending on income. I said people making the same income have different levels of assets and that matters.

If you are 55 years old and kids are grown. You got a ton of equity in your home and a big fat 401k, and very little debt you are feeling good. Even if your household income is 150k you are going to feel a lot more comfortable spending 10k on a Disney trip than a young family early 30's making the same amount or more, just bought home, student debt, car payment, not a lot of saving etc.

Boomers hold most of the wealth in this country, They are also starting to die off and leave their wealth to their kids.

It's also a known factor that when peoples assets go up they feel confident spending money. A lot of times more money than they should. We see this over and over again.
 
I never said anything about people not depending on income. I said people making the same income have different levels of assets and that matters.

If you are 55 years old and kids are grown. You got a ton of equity in your home and a big fat 401k, and very little debt you are feeling good. Even if your household income is 150k you are going to feel a lot more comfortable spending 10k on a Disney trip than a young family early 30's making the same amount or more, just bought home, student debt, car payment, not a lot of saving etc.

Boomers hold most of the wealth in this country, They are also starting to die off and leave their wealth to their kids.

It's also a known factor that when peoples assets go up they feel confident spending money. A lot of times more money than they should. We see this over and over again.
I am about this age group and I can tell you there is a difference. When I was growing up, it did not take my current level of income to afford a Disney trip. Millennial's and Gen Z cannot afford now like I could at their age. They are having trouble finding jobs and housing that I never did. Home ownership is at (I believe) an all time low. The lowest amount of people under 30 are married and own a house than at any other time in our history.

My kids will not be able to go as many times as I took them growing up. It is not unique to Disney, Vegas is a bloodbath right now because people just can't/won't afford it. Yes there are some, but Disney is not chasing Walt's dreams anymore, they are chasing the shareholder's dreams.
 

I am about this age group and I can tell you there is a difference. When I was growing up, it did not take my current level of income to afford a Disney trip. Millennial's and Gen Z cannot afford now like I could at their age. They are having trouble finding jobs and housing that I never did. Home ownership is at (I believe) an all time low. The lowest amount of people under 30 are married and own a house than at any other time in our history.

My kids will not be able to go as many times as I took them growing up. It is not unique to Disney, Vegas is a bloodbath right now because people just can't/won't afford it. Yes there are some, but Disney is not chasing Walt's dreams anymore, they are chasing the shareholder's dreams.
Yes like I've said the average age of first time homebuyers is now 38. I bought my first home at age 26. The average of home buyers in general is 56. Boomers own the highest percentage of homes. We bought our home in 1996 and I could not afford to buy our home today even though my salary has tripled.

It's funny you mention Vegas because I was going to plan a trip there this Fall. I haven't been in 25 years. The hotel prices on the weekend are crazy high. I've watched some videos on the cost of food and entertainment and that is nuts too. I've also read it was done by design to weed out the "Riffraff" and make it more of a high end vacation spot. It looks like they are on their way to weeding out everybody. They succeeded in weeding out me because I'm not willing to spend that much on a Vegas trip.
 
Has anyone been to Vegas this year?The "slump" doesn't appear to affect the high-end resorts. It's the lower-tiered places that feel the hit.

Same with Disney and Universal, they continue to do well while the rest of the domestic theme park industry declines.
 
I am about this age group and I can tell you there is a difference. When I was growing up, it did not take my current level of income to afford a Disney trip. Millennial's and Gen Z cannot afford now like I could at their age. They are having trouble finding jobs and housing that I never did. Home ownership is at (I believe) an all time low. The lowest amount of people under 30 are married and own a house than at any other time in our history.

My kids will not be able to go as many times as I took them growing up. It is not unique to Disney, Vegas is a bloodbath right now because people just can't/won't afford it. Yes there are some, but Disney is not chasing Walt's dreams anymore, they are chasing the shareholder's dreams.
Student loan debt is a major barrier to housing affordability for many young adults, delaying homeownership and other financial milestones. The average student debt has surged over the past two decades. A recent study showed 29% of all Americans report putting off the purchase of a home as a result of their student loan debt, and revealed each $1,000 increase in debt lowers the average rate of homeownership by 1.8 percentage points for four-year degree holders.
So do the math for people who owe $40,000 (average school debt) and the many borrowers of even more than that, and you have a huge change in what was once a first step in adulthood - buying a home. What a disservice to our young people - sending them out into the real world with thousands of dollars in debt before they even get to start their grown up lives.
A great book outlining a plan to avoid going into debt for college (and the one that Dave Ramsay recommends to his callers) is Anthony ONeal’s Debt-Free Degree.
  • Create a college fund early
  • Take college-level courses in high school
  • Focus on affordable schools

While in college
  • Apply for scholarships and grants like a job
  • Work part time
  • Live frugally and cut expenses:
    • Housing: Limit or eliminate costs by living at home and commuting, renting a cheaper apartment off-campus, or splitting rent with roommates.
 
Exactly! And newsflash to the author….plenty of middle class families couldn’t afford a trip to WDW back in the good old days in the 70s & 80s either. Nothing new that not everyone can afford any vacation they want.
Airfare specifically was a huge hurdle to travel back then. People don’t understand that until the last 20-30 years the middle class really didn’t fly anywhere.

I have some videos from the early 90s at WDW and one of the most notable things to me are the smaller crowds:
 
People don’t understand that until the last 20-30 years the middle class really didn’t fly anywhere.
When I was in grade school in the upper midwest (this was the late 70s), you did not come back from spring break with a tan unless your parents were doctors or e.g. owned one of the larger local contracting companies. It was very much a marker of status/class.
 
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I am about this age group and I can tell you there is a difference. When I was growing up, it did not take my current level of income to afford a Disney trip. Millennial's and Gen Z cannot afford now like I could at their age. They are having trouble finding jobs and housing that I never did. Home ownership is at (I believe) an all time low. The lowest amount of people under 30 are married and own a house than at any other time in our history.

My kids will not be able to go as many times as I took them growing up. It is not unique to Disney, Vegas is a bloodbath right now because people just can't/won't afford it. Yes there are some, but Disney is not chasing Walt's dreams anymore, they are chasing the shareholder's dreams.
I'm a baby boomer and we could Not afford a Disney trip when I was a kid. Not an option. My Mom and Dad both worked to keep their heads above water. It paid off later on and when they could afford it, they had no interest in going to Disney. Neither did I as a teenager. As a child I watched the Wonderful World of Disney every Sunday and dreamed of going to DL.
As an adult without kids at home anymore, we are free to go when and where we want.
Things change with each generation I guess.
There were very few credit cards when I was a young adult and we never thought of using the one we had for anything frivolous. We had to build up credit to even get a CC. We charged a refrigerator at the hardware store so we could get a credit card when it was paid off.
Wow, have times really changed,lol.
 
Student loan debt is a major barrier to housing affordability for many young adults, delaying homeownership and other financial milestones. The average student debt has surged over the past two decades. A recent study showed 29% of all Americans report putting off the purchase of a home as a result of their student loan debt, and revealed each $1,000 increase in debt lowers the average rate of homeownership by 1.8 percentage points for four-year degree holders.
So do the math for people who owe $40,000 (average school debt) and the many borrowers of even more than that, and you have a huge change in what was once a first step in adulthood - buying a home. What a disservice to our young people - sending them out into the real world with thousands of dollars in debt before they even get to start their grown up lives.
A great book outlining a plan to avoid going into debt for college (and the one that Dave Ramsay recommends to his callers) is Anthony ONeal’s Debt-Free Degree.
  • Create a college fund early
  • Take college-level courses in high school
  • Focus on affordable schools

While in college
  • Apply for scholarships and grants like a job
  • Work part time
  • Live frugally and cut expenses:
    • Housing: Limit or eliminate costs by living at home and commuting, renting a cheaper apartment off-campus, or splitting rent with roommates.
Maybe don't go to college and learn a trade.
 
Has anyone been to Vegas this year?The "slump" doesn't appear to affect the high-end resorts. It's the lower-tiered places that feel the hit.

Same with Disney and Universal, they continue to do well while the rest of the domestic theme park industry declines.
Funny you should ask, I fly out Sunday morning. Conference. Went this time last year. Food is outrageous. Nickle and dime on everything. I can say for years my family went to Disney 1-2 per year. I complained every trip on price of Disney. After last years Vegas trip, I quit complaining about Disney. It is that bad.

I used to go to Vegas before kids and my wife and I enjoyed it. Great memories. Last year was the first year back in 15 years. Not the same place. They decided that conventions are where the money is, and felt that since most were expensing things, they would not care. Now food is terribly priced.

Yes, there was $26 bottled water in the room I stayed in. If you moved anything in the fridge, sensors would auto bill the room. If you asked for that to be removed (just in case) it was a $25 fee. Hamburger (no fries or drink) was $32 in my hotel.
 
Funny you should ask, I fly out Sunday morning. Conference. Went this time last year. Food is outrageous. Nickle and dime on everything. I can say for years my family went to Disney 1-2 per year. I complained every trip on price of Disney. After last years Vegas trip, I quit complaining about Disney. It is that bad.

I used to go to Vegas before kids and my wife and I enjoyed it. Great memories. Last year was the first year back in 15 years. Not the same place. They decided that conventions are where the money is, and felt that since most were expensing things, they would not care. Now food is terribly priced.

Yes, there was $26 bottled water in the room I stayed in. If you moved anything in the fridge, sensors would auto bill the room. If you asked for that to be removed (just in case) it was a $25 fee. Hamburger (no fries or drink) was $32 in my hotel.
Imagine having your kids move everything around in the mini-bar. Happened to me once, but not at a Vegas hotel. Vegas is ridiculous and so is Disney. I'm not one to justify Disney's prices by comparing it to other vacations. It's either worth it or it's not. I now there are a lot of places to vacation that cost a lot less than Disney. It's a false argument to pretend otherwise.

Thanks for yet another data point on why my weekend getaway in December won't be in Vegas.
 
What a lovely video! It's so emotional to see Skyway and the Nautilus again. Thank you.
Thank you!
People had cars.
The amount of time it took was a barrier though. We lived near Chicago and every trip to WDW involved 2 days of driving each way. Burning 4 days of your vacation just traveling to/from the destination is less than ideal so people chose more local destinations.
 
I was one of 6 kids. No way we would ever have gone to Disney from Northeastern Ohio. We camped in a tent for vacation, within about 2 hours from home. I didn't know anyone who went to DW. My first trip there I was 36 with 3 kids, and we stayed offsite. I really enjoyed the trip and we went every other year for a while. My 30 and 33 year old kids have no interest in going there now. The oldest DD has been a fan and we will take grandson eventually.
 
Wasn't gas rationed in the 1970s and very expensive when you could find it?
If you bothered to research that you know it was only about a year that gas was rationed. Gas prices in the 1973 was 36 cents a gallon adjusted to inflation that's around 2.50 a gallon. Gas prices hovered around a dollar a gallon through the 80's and 90's. It didn't get above 2.00 dollars a gallon until the Iraq war and everyone freaked out over that.

Yes everyone knows prior to the era of cheap airfare family vacations consisted of roadtrips and many families still drive to DL and WDW. DL has always been primarily a locals park. You don't have to go back to the 70's to see Disney prices doubling.... just go back 5 years.
 












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