Disney Genie announcement

[meremac]

If it's Remy and TT in Epcot, then Soarin' is safe? And presumably one of those will be replaced by GotG.

This is my best guess based on what I've heard, but please know that this has NOT been confirmed so please take it with a grain of salt until it's official. I am betting that the following will be LL$ attractions:

MK: Space and 7DMT (likely that one of these will be replaced by TRON)
EP: Remy and TT (likely that one of these will be replaced by GotG)
AK: FoP and Safaris
HS: SDD and RotR

Again, I could be wrong. But this is my guess.

 

[WVU Disney Fan]

Assuming I'm in the minority but I'm 100 percent fine with paying for fast pass access per day. I hated the whole book three a day three months in advance. For an extra 300 bucks for five days, sign me up to not having to worry about lines with my kids.

I agree. As long as there is decent availability for G+ rides throughout the day.

 

[NuJoy]

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[JayMass]

I don’t want to pay for non-guaranteed “winging it”-style park experience when that is what one would naturally expect with their regular park admission. I’m willing to pay something extra for a guaranteed experience.

I think it will be closer to the old FP system with the paper tickets and kiosks. Nothing was guaranteed back then.

 

[NY Pirate Princess]

I think it will be closer to the old FP system with the paper tickets and kiosks. Nothing was guaranteed back then.

Agreed 100%. It is a return of the paper fast pass system without paper. I won't have to run to the kiosk and insert my fistful of cards. I'll be hunched over my phone pushing buttons on the way to rope drop. But luckily for me, I can turn this frustrating tech nightmare over to my kid to run, and I'll be able to kick back in the morning, drink coffee, and enjoy the first Disney trip I didn't micromanage to the second! Oh, wait. I'll have to wake her up first....

 

[JayMass]

Agreed 100%. It is a return of the paper fast pass system without paper. I won't have to run to the kiosk and insert my fistful of cards. I'll be hunched over my phone pushing buttons on the way to rope drop. But luckily for me, I can turn this frustrating tech nightmare over to my kid to run, and I'll be able to kick back in the morning, drink coffee, and enjoy the first Disney trip I didn't micromanage to the second! Oh, wait. I'll have to wake her up first....

LOL! On our last trip it was my 15 yo daughter with the fast fingers on the RotR BG!

 

[Nick6300]

Safari? I would think maybe Everest over Safari, but that's wishful thinking because we don't do Everest.
Please, not Soarin'! Keep that a Genie+.



If it's Remy and TT in Epcot, then Soarin' is safe? And presumably one of those will be replaced by GotG.



Is Test Track really that popular that you think it will stay LL$ over one of the newer attractions? It's so old. I also wonder if the refurbished Splash Mountain could become LL$, maybe replacing 7DMT which is so short.

Do we know for sure that only 2 attractions per park will be LL$? We know that guests may only purchase 2 per day, but is it possible that more than 2 will be Individual Purchase?

TT has typically, not always, commanded the longest wait times at EP, over FEA, and then Soarin. It's not our favorite ride, but we typically head there earlier because it can have such long lines, and before afternoon rain potentially.

 

[Nick6300]

With Genie+, which costs $15/person per day, you can make as many Lightning Lane reservations for attractions included in Genie+ as you want. There is no limit; however, you can only make them one at a time. No official word yet on whether stacking will be allowed. LL$ attractions (super headliner attractions that aren't included in Genie+, like RotR and Remy) will be available for separate purchase but they haven't announced how much those will cost yet, just that the cost will vary by date and attraction.

No official word yet on whether you can make your G+ selection and LL selection at the same time or if you have to choose 1 or the other? This is probably covered on an early page here, sorry.

 

[Nick6300]

I've heard something like $25 per person based on Paris.

I'd have a hard time spending $25 per person for Tron. Having been on it many times, it's just not worth it for me. But I also can't imagine it being something like $10. So maybe we'd have to pay it once/trip to avoid a super long line, with so much hype, heightened by delays.

 

[Kingoglow]

LOL! On our last trip it was my 15 yo daughter with the fast fingers on the RotR BG!

I think a lot of families will turn over control of virtual que selection and LL selection over to their teens. If that is the case, then one can argue that the gamified mobile experience might make vacation planning more of a team effort and engage the kids more.

 

[RoseGold]

To avoid cannibalizing the VIP Tour business. I heard somewhere there are 65 tours a day. At an average of 8 hours each and $600 per hour, that amounts to $114 million per year.

The people spending a few grand on the VIP tour aren't the ones worried about $25 for Remy. They're staying at the Four Seasons or the Ritz, which doesn't even get the EMH2. Disney hasn't even tried to compete on that level of hotel.

The question is whether it is worth offering a free Remy ride if you stay at All Stars. Someone is riding Remy. It might as well be All Stars.

Changing line priorities costs Disney nothing. The question is how Disney extracts money from it, and staying on site is in this math in a way we don't know yet. FP wasn't making enough money, but it did encourage staying on site.

Ripping away the benefits to on site is a big problem for Disney. I don't see why they wouldn't add back perks that cost them nothing, like ride queues. I think that's the next piece of this, along with however it fits into AP pricing.

 

[JakeAZ]

Ripping away the benefits to on site is a big problem for Disney. I don't see why they wouldn't add back perks that cost them nothing, like ride queues. I think that's the next piece of this, along with however it fits into AP pricing.

As long as people fill those hotels rooms at rack rate with a gutting of on-site benefits, you're not going to see anything added.

 

[danissmart]

I think it will be closer to the old FP system with the paper tickets and kiosks. Nothing was guaranteed back then.

But those things weren’t extra costs

 

[RoseGold]

As long as people fill those hotels rooms at rack rate with a gutting of on-site benefits, you're not going to see anything added.

Jambo and Port Orleans are still closed. Poly and Contemporary have been pretty much completely closed since Covid. Yet, Disney is now running room discounts. And that's with ME still running. So, no, I wouldn't say the rooms are currently filled at rack rate. Pretty much the only deluxe open is GF.

I at least understood cutting ME was saving Disney money. Genie may or may not be, if it cuts against staying on site. I would expect Genie to throw onsite a bone. Haven't seen that bone yet, but I do expect it.

 

[JakeAZ]

Jambo and Port Orleans are still closed. Poly and Contemporary have been pretty much completely closed since Covid. Yet, Disney is now running room discounts. And that's with ME still running. So, no, I wouldn't say the rooms are currently filled at rack rate. Pretty much the only deluxe open is GF.

I at least understood cutting ME was saving Disney money. Genie may or may not be, if it cuts against staying on site. I would expect Genie to throw onsite a bone. Haven't seen that bone yet, but I do expect it.

Disney has all their eggs in the "October 1st and after" bucket. Very slim availability from then through the end of the year. This is the slow time before the storm. I just looked at our week in November and there is nothing. Hotel or DVC side. Not a single room.

While you may eventually see something from Genie thrown at on-site, IMO I don't see that until, at least, all the pend up Disney demand dies down.

 

[Jrb1979]

Jambo and Port Orleans are still closed. Poly and Contemporary have been pretty much completely closed since Covid. Yet, Disney is now running room discounts. And that's with ME still running. So, no, I wouldn't say the rooms are currently filled at rack rate. Pretty much the only deluxe open is GF.

I at least understood cutting ME was saving Disney money. Genie may or may not be, if it cuts against staying on site. I would expect Genie to throw onsite a bone. Haven't seen that bone yet, but I do expect it.

You probably aren't getting it free for being on site. Best you will get is being able to book you first LL at 7am will every one else has to do it on e I'm the park. The days of free FP are over.

 

[StarrySkye21]

Disney has all their eggs in the "October 1st and after" bucket. Very slim availability from then through the end of the year. This is the slow time before the storm. I just looked at our week in November and there is nothing. Hotel or DVC side. Not a single room.

While you may eventually see something from Genie thrown at on-site, IMO I don't see that until, at least, all the pend up Disney demand dies down.

there is a possibility that you are seeing nothing available in November because they are moving around guests from other resorts because of possibly delaying reopening (that’s the rumor with many people getting upgraded out of ASMusic for their trips in the next few months. It appears that most if not all hotels are not available for booking until the middle of December. Whether or not they are in fact delaying reopening some resorts or they are just overly booked is yet to be known.

 

[JakeAZ]

there is a possibility that you are seeing nothing available in November because they are moving around guests from AS Music because of possibly delaying reopening until December (that’s the rumor with many people getting upgraded out of ASM for their trips in the next few months. It appears that all the hotels are not available for booking until the middle of December. Whether or not that’s from that rumor or that they are just that busy is yet to be known.

Possibly. But the DVC side has been sold out for pretty much all of October / November / December.

But even if they are limiting availability to move guests around, that is just more reason for them not to be offering any discounts or added on-site benefits.

They are either booked or they need the rooms to move people. Either way, they are not hard up to fill the rooms that are available.

 

[SusanDK]

Poly and Contemporary have been pretty much completely closed since Covid. Pretty much the only deluxe open is GF.

Poly looked open a few weeks ago. We walked from MK along the walkway past the GF and Poly back to the TTC one evening several weeks ago, stopping at the Poly beach to watch the MK fireworks. The pool area and beach were packed. I wouldn't think the pool would have been open if the hotel weren't open to guests, although admit we didn't walk through the lobby.

 

[RoseGold]

But the DVC side has been sold out for pretty much all of October / November / December.

DVC will continue to stay booked 365/24/7 in every category. It has an extra year of points floating around and was running close to capacity before the extra points. The cash side matters a lot more to Disney, and Poly/Jambo/ Contemporary are just now opening.

The deluxe EMH2 are something, but I hope to see more.

I would and have given advice to stay off site when the perks have all been taken.