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Pixar, Disney Partnership Talks Collapse
By GARY GENTILE, AP Business Writer

LOS ANGELES - The collapse of talks between Pixar Animation Studios and The Walt Disney Co. on a new deal pressures both companies to produce hit films at a time of growing competition among computer-animated filmmakers.


Pixar, with a string of computer-animated blockbusters to its credit, including "Monsters, Inc." and the "Toy Story" films, broke off negotiations Thursday to extend its partnership with Disney and said it would seek a more favorable deal with another studio.


"After 10 months of trying to strike a deal with Disney, we're moving on," Pixar chief Steve Jobs (news - web sites) said in a statement. "We've had a great run together — one of the most successful in Hollywood history — and it's a shame that Disney won't be participating in Pixar's future successes."


Pixar still owes Disney two movies under the current deal, "The Incredibles," which is scheduled to open in theaters in November, and "Cars," which is to be released next year.


The Emeryville, Calif.-based studio, which co-produced last year's top-box office draw, "Finding Nemo," has long chafed under its contract with Disney, which retains the right to make sequels to movies such as "Toy Story" and "Monsters, Inc."


The companies share box-office receipts and licensing revenues.


Disney chief financial officer Thomas Staggs said the company rejected Pixar's "final offer" because it would have cost Disney hundreds of millions of dollars it is entitled to under its existing agreement "while not providing sufficient incremental returns on new collaborations to justify the changes to the existing deal."


A person familiar with the talks said negotiations broke down because Pixar wanted to reclaim the copyrights to the five films it has produced with Disney so far, plus the two left in the deal. Such an accommodation would have presumably revoked Disney's right to make sequels and potentially denied the company millions of dollars in future profits.


Pixar also wanted to pay Disney a flat distribution fee on all future films, including "The Incredibles" and "Cars." Disney was willing to adjust its compensation on the two remaining films, but would not agree to return the copyrights, said the source, speaking on condition of anonymity.


Analysts said that while Disney may have been wise not to agree to a deal at any cost, it now has two years to show it can make successful animated films without Pixar's help.


Disney has had mixed success over the past few years with its animated films, producing such box office disappointments as "Atlantis" and "Treasure Planet" and modest hit like "Lilo & Stitch" and "Brother Bear."


"I think that if Disney can move in that direction successfully, it's not going to be devastating," Janna Sampson, co-Manager of the AmSouth Select Equity Fund and director of Portfolio Management at Oakbrook Investments. "That's the wild card — can Disney get its animation studio to produce the kind of hits Disney used to produce without anybody's help?"


Disney recently closed its Orlando, Fla., animation studio and has pared its staff of animators to 600 from a peak of 2,200 employees in 1999. For the first time in years, it has no traditional hand-drawn films in production.


Disney plans to release its first in-house computer-animated film, "Chicken Little," in 2005, the year its current Pixar deal expires. Disney also is producing other computer-animated films, including "A Day With Wilbur Robinson," to be released in 2006.


On Thursday the company also announced plans for two new computer-animated films, including a long-awaited "Toy Story 3."


For Pixar, the break from Disney will allow it to keep more profit from future films while increasing the risks should those movies underperform.


"The risk is all theirs now," said Peter Mirsky, a financial analyst with Oppenheimer & Co. "They wanted it, they got it. Plus, they've added a competitor in Disney."

While Pixar has had major hits with all five of its films, including "A Bug's Life" and "Toy Story 2," it no longer has the field to itself.

This year alone, DreamWorks is releasing two computer-animated films: "Shrek 2" in May and "Shark Tales" in November. Warner Bros. will release the animated "Polar Express" in November, and Fox's Blue Sky Studios, which made the hit "Ice Age," is planning to release "Robot" next year.

Former Disney board members Roy E. Disney and Stanley Gold — who have been urging the company's chief executive, Michael Eisner, to step down — expressed concern when they quit the board last year that Disney was not properly managing its relationships with Pixar, Miramax and other companies.

In a statement Thursday, they blamed Eisner for the Pixar breakdown.

"While we expect that the tail of the relationship will continue to provide short-term earnings gains, the loss of this relationship, we believe, will result in the loss of long-term value for the company and its shareholders," the men said.

Analysts doubted the failure to reach a deal with Pixar would jeopardize Eisner's job.

"Roy's goal is to see Eisner out," Sampson said. "That doesn't make Eisner's job easier in the next couple of days as he tries to calm the concerns. But things are on the improvement side for Disney, and if that continues, I find it unlikely we'll see Eisner out of a job."

One certainty is that Pixar will have no problem cutting a more favorable deal with a new studio.

Thursday, Warner Bros., Fox and Sony all expressed interest in talking to Pixar. Fox distributes producer George Lucas (news)'s "Star Wars" films for a flat fee — terms similar to those Pixar wants.
 
This a bummer :( , but at least Pixar and Disney are still going to put out two more movies together before they part ways for good.
 
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This will not affect any of the Toy Story, Monsters Inc. and Nemo characters at WDW would it because correct me if I am wrong, Disney owns the rights to those characters?
 
i woke up to read this news on my CNN homepage. what a shame! but a part of me wanted to say "Good for you Pixar". I really hope this is the catalyst, as one article put it, that moves Disney to create blockbuster quality animation films and not rely on pixar for their big hits. Although it was nice to say that "I saw it at Sea" on DCL when finding nemo came out. I'm interested to see how this Chicken Little film is going to pan out.
 

how far can Eisner destroy the company before he is ousted..

he lost Hillary Duff....a fortune for Disney..now Pixar..I really thought after closing the animation division in Florida, that Disney would work out a deal with Pixar...but again Eisner is too greedy.....
 
Maybe this will be the straw that breaks the Mouse's back. Eisner has not endeared himself to the Disney die-hards, cast members or animators and now he will finally alienate the shareholders. Actually, this may be a blessing in disguise!!!::yes::

BTW Irmillen, will you be going to a farm to see Chicken Little? ;)
 
<a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/3/3_8_9.gif' border=0></a> Bummer, I really enjoyed the stuff Disney and Pixar came out with together.
 
It's time for Eisner to realize that in order to prosper/ Disney must work with other companies and share the profits/ rather than trying to crush everyone... a fair split of profits from Pixar/Disney movies would have been much better than no money at all..
 
This is just the same old story with Eisner. Remember when the sponsors at EPCOT started dropping off? Maybe these other companies just don't like dealing with him!:(
 
Pixar may be cutting their own throat. They may be great at producing movies, but Disney has been the marketing conduit. Disney has the means to merchandize. Pixar doesn't. Pixar has gotten a cut on all the toys and such associated with the movies that have been sold through the theme parks and the Disney stores. Pixar will not be able to market as easily.

It has historically taken Pixar at least two years to produce a film. Disney has fronted them the money in the past to be able to do this. I'm assuming that Pixar no longer needs the front money to tide them over in between films. We'll see.

It's a shame that the two ego-maniac CEOs can't come to an agreement. Both Steve Jobs and Michael Eisner have big heads. It was because Steve Jobs couldn't get along with Bill Gates, that he had to split off and form Apple. Sure, he's rich, but he's no Bill Gates.

This ought to be interestting.
 
Like Yogi Berra said "It's deja vu all over again." Disney is treating Pixar the same way as Walt Disney was treated by his distributor when his company was producing "Oswald the Lucky Rabbit." That set the stage for "Mickey Mouse" and Walt's independence to be creative and innovative. Hopefully this will wake up the Board.

Also regarding the "It was because Steve Jobs couldn't get along with Bill Gates, that he had to split off and form Apple. Sure, he's rich, but he's no Bill Gates." That is totally inaccurate. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates never worked together. Steve Jobs left Atari and worked with his friend Steve Wozniak to develop the Apple I. Gates is a software not a hardware man who made his money developing the operating system for the IBM PC. Jobs is more like a Walt Disney. Jobs would be an excellent fit for Eisner's position.
 
Dmoore22, you are right. I was thinking of Steve Wood.

I still think that Pixar will have trouble marketing merchandise other than the actual movies without Disney. It's like the folks that currently own the Pooh rights. They are mad at Disney because they aren't getting enough money. They are trying to cancel their deal with Disney. I don't see any way that these people can market Pooh the way Disney has. In the long run, they'll probably lose money. Just my opinion.
 
I don't see this as positive for Disney. Options: 1) Disney hires Pixar's talent away 2) Disney has something up their sleeve that is superior to what Pixar has in the works.:rotfl:
 
Disney is dying slow. I hope they could be ressurected
 
Originally posted by issa

Thursday, Warner Bros., Fox and Sony all expressed interest in talking to Pixar. Fox distributes producer George Lucas (news)'s "Star Wars" films for a flat fee — terms similar to those Pixar wants.

If this is true, I don't think pixar is the one that will have any problems marketing the movie and the merchandise, as someone mentioned.

tricia.
 
I agree. We tend to forget that PiXar was spun off from Lucas Films' ILM.
 
I don't believe Pixar will have any problems either! If Friday's closing bell was any indication, Pixar up $2.00 to over $66.00/share, while Disney stock dropped to $24.00/share! Who needs who? :rolleyes:
 











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