Digital Membership Cards?

[PKen82]

I believe all members are able to get discounts on cash reservations for DVC rooms so they don't say all discounts.

Then why not say, “….discounts on Disney merchandise, dining,….”

The use of the word “certain” makes it a gray area, and probably purposely so.

 

[JETSDAD]

Then why not say, “….discounts on Disney merchandise, dining,….”

The use of the word “certain” makes it a gray area, and probably purposely so.

Because if they try to make an exhaustive list of what is and isn't included then something will come along that isn't in the list and people will say they weren't told they wouldn't get a discount there....look at the list. Then those would be in a grey area. It's fine print, it's always written vaguely.

 

[mgarbowski]

Then why not say, “….discounts on Disney merchandise, dining,….”

The use of the word “certain” makes it a gray area, and probably purposely so.

Because that "certain discounts" text appears in dozens if not hundreds of locations, and it is nearly impossible for any entity to properly update specific terms and conditions on every page where they might occur. As much as I fault Disney's IT and web services, it is not unreasonable for any entity to have a single official terms and conditions page for each set of rules, and update that as needed, while all other references to those terms are vague and open ended. Otherwise even the most well intentioned and competent entities would end up misleading people because you just cannot keep track of every web page, app page, etc where those terms are set forth once you decide to put them on more than one official page.

 

[Sandisw]

Obviously the consensus is that blue card holders are exclusively eligible for the merchandise and dining discounts, but I have never thought this was completely clear:

“Membership Extras, such as exchange options in the Disney Collection and all of the Concierge Collection, certain discounts, offers, and special events are incidental benefits.”

If blue card holders were exclusively eligible for discounts, then why use the word “certain” in there?

I am a white card holder, and am not afraid to say I have received discounts on both merchandise and dining in the past (in fact, I have never NOT received these discounts), because presenting a blue card was asked for, nor required by, the CM. All I have ever been asked is: “Are you a DVC member?” I answered yes. I showed my white card and ID. I got the discount.

My new digital card shows the correct “DVC ND” affiliation. And if I no longer get discounts as a result, oh well - no big deal. After all, that’s what I was led to believe when I bought the contract. But it will also mean not purchasing as much as I have in years past, ultimately helping my wallet and hurting Disney.

Here’s a question I have:

Has anyone with a “DVC ND” affiliation actually tried to obtain a discount as of yet with the new card? If so, what happened?

I have read that people have been denied, but right now,I was also told by MS that they are fixing the issue because some grandfathered owners have ND and it should be Y, which is why the temporary cards are still there.

And, while you were successful in using a white card, many were not. I have both and tried last trip to see what would happen. The white card worked about 33% of the times and it never worked at the TS restaurants we went to. So, many CMs did enforce the rules. I almost always have had to show ID.

Per DVC, and the rules, ND means not eligible for membership extras snd dining and merchandise is included in that.

In terms of the word “certain” , what we get changes so that allows them to cover it,

But language is clear that only owners with direct points…or grandfathered are eligible for membership extras…the language you are quoting is from the info letting people know that membership extras themselves are just incidental benefits and not guaranteed,

So, you can’t ignore the first part which states who is eligible for Membership Extras.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

Then why not say, “….discounts on Disney merchandise, dining,….”

The use of the word “certain” makes it a gray area, and probably purposely so.

It’s the same reason the term “terms and conditions apply” is used when getting discounts and deals from other businesses. Those “terms and conditions” change so it does not make sense to list them all out, but rather acknowledge that they are there. As every DVC member knows, the “membership extras” come and go. Because of that, it would not make sense to put individual membership extras (like a dining discount, for example) in a document like the POS. It makes much more sense just to say “certain discounts”, and then through current marketing explain what those discounts are.

And every white card member knows that they are not eligible for those discounts anyway. So all this really pertains to the blue card owners only.

 

[PKen82]

Per DVC, and the rules, ND means not eligible for membership extras snd dining and merchandise is included in that.

Is there a source on either of these statements?

 

[DonMacGregor]

Then why not say, “….discounts on Disney merchandise, dining,….”

The use of the word “certain” makes it a gray area, and probably purposely so.

The use of the word “certain” accommodates the various and changing membership extras that may be available at any given time to eligible members. It has nothing to do with any perceived differentiation between discounts that may be offered to white card versus blue card holders, because no discounts for white card holders exist.

The definition of who is eligible for those membership extras (“Eligible Members”) is an entirely different matter, is defined elsewhere, and has been hashed out ad nauseum on the boards.

 

[deedubb]

Is there a source on either of these statements?

From the DVC website:

Q: What are the Member affiliations on the back of the new Membership Cards, and what do they stand for?
A.
The Member affiliations include: DVC Y and DVC ND (No Discount/Non-Disney).

• DVC Y indicates that the Member is eligible for Membership Extras offerings.
• DVC ND indicates the Member is ineligible for Membership Extras offerings.

 

[Sandisw]

Is there a source on either of these statements?

The FAQ's from DVC member website.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Is there a source on either of these statements?

It is in the purchase agreement you signed at the time you purchased your resale. DVC requires it to be there. Or depending on the timing of your purchase might have been an addendum.

For those who owned at the time of the change a letter was sent outlining the change.

I'm going to guess the POS was updated to state it as well but haven't looked for that specifically to know for certain.

 

[Geomom]

Thanks to everyone for posting about this... we're not going until June and we're grandfathered resale blue card members...so I'll just wait for it all to settle down before attempting it. Have never used Google pay either...glad to hear I don't have to add a credit card.

 

[Princess Merida]

Obviously the consensus is that blue card holders are exclusively eligible for the merchandise and dining discounts, but I have never thought this was completely clear:

“Membership Extras, such as exchange options in the Disney Collection and all of the Concierge Collection, certain discounts, offers, and special events are incidental benefits.”

If blue card holders were exclusively eligible for discounts, then why use the word “certain” in there?

I am a white card holder, and am not afraid to say I have received discounts on both merchandise and dining in the past (in fact, I have never NOT received these discounts), because presenting a blue card was asked for, nor required by, the CM. All I have ever been asked is: “Are you a DVC member?” I answered yes. I showed my white card and ID. I got the discount.

My new digital card shows the correct “DVC ND” affiliation. And if I no longer get discounts as a result, oh well - no big deal. After all, that’s what I was led to believe when I bought the contract. But it will also mean not purchasing as much as I have in years past, ultimately helping my wallet and hurting Disney.

Here’s a question I have:

Has anyone with a “DVC ND” affiliation actually tried to obtain a discount as of yet with the new card? If so, what happened?

I am also white card and have had almost the same experience as you. In 5 years I’ve been declined the discount once in the store at the exit of FOP. I have also successfully used the discount in that same store probably 10 other times. I am going at the end of this month and will report my experience with the new system. I have the member card with DVC ND. I did see a post somewhere that the CM only looked for the DVC and gave the discount to someone with DVC ND but that was one case and could be a cast member mistake.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

I am also white card and have had almost the same experience as you. In 5 years I’ve been declined the discount once in the store at the exit of FOP. I have also successfully used the discount in that same store probably 10 other times. I am going at the end of this month and will report my experience with the new system. I have the member card with DVC ND. I did see a post somewhere that the CM only looked for the DVC and gave the discount to someone with DVC ND but that was one case and could be a cast member mistake.

It’s kind of funny to me that people come on here to report how to get around the system and get discounts, even though they are white card members. I’ve seen comments on other previous threads that give tips on how to get the discount. Did it occur to anyone that DVC probably reads these comments? So by people coming on here and reporting the success they had or how to get discounts for which they aren’t eligible, all they are doing is showing DVC another loop hole that has to be shut. And DVC WILL shut it. Isn’t it better to keep things like that quiet?

Although, with the new system it seems like it’ll be pretty difficult to get around it.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

It’s kind of funny to me that people come on here to report how to get around the system and get discounts, even though they are white card members. I’ve seen comments on other previous threads that give tips on how to get the discount. Did it occur to anyone that DVC probably reads these comments? So by people coming on here and reporting the success they had or how to get discounts for which they aren’t eligible, all they are doing is showing DVC another loop hole that has to be shut. And DVC WILL shut it. Isn’t it better to keep things like that quiet?

Although, with the new system it seems like it’ll be pretty difficult to get around it.

My belief is it the perception matters most to DVC but not so much to parks, merchandise and food and beverage. DVC can't shut it down unless the places who give the discount really care.

 

[kilik64]

My belief is it the perception matters most to DVC but not so much to parks, merchandise and food and beverage. DVC can't shut it down unless the places who give the discount really care.

Same as dvc really cared about White Card Plebs getting the sorcerer pass when ticketing didn’t. They do now but you can’t buy them anyways now either even if a Blue Card Elite. All depends on enforcement by the cm. If/when this becomes a digital only deal (ie they tie your dvc status to a digital check of some type) then there will always be some people who slip through the proverbial crack.

 

[DVCbie-Jeebies]

It’s kind of funny to me that people come on here to report how to get around the system and get discounts, even though they are white card members. I’ve seen comments on other previous threads that give tips on how to get the discount. Did it occur to anyone that DVC probably reads these comments? So by people coming on here and reporting the success they had or how to get discounts for which they aren’t eligible, all they are doing is showing DVC another loop hole that has to be shut. And DVC WILL shut it. Isn’t it better to keep things like that quiet?

Although, with the new system it seems like it’ll be pretty difficult to get around it.

What LOOPHOLE are you talking about? There was a blue and white card that the white-card deviants on these boards somehow cracked. Now Disney is gonna close the “show them the DVC ND” loophole?

Lord help us with what they come up with to crack down on that hack.

 

[ParkHoppers]

Does anyone know if the CM’s are scanning a QR code yet or just looking at affiliation stats. Because if they go to a mandatory scanning QR system people will not be getting around that.

 

[kilik64]

Does anyone know if the CM’s are scanning a QR code yet or just looking at affiliation stats. Because if they go to a mandatory scanning QR system people will not be getting around that.

Just reading the affiliation line currently

 

[mathgeek]

Apple Pay is different than just using the Wallet. As long as you can add to the Wallet, then you don’t need to have Apple Pay. I don’t have that either.

Definitely a puzzle. I looked at my settings. The wallet in iCloud is “off”

Thanks for the suggestions. I was able to get my pass added when I logged in to iCloud and added Apple Cash in Wallet. But then when I logged out of iCloud my pass disappeared. Oh, and it made me add a passcode to unlock my phone. At least my DVC Y designation was correct though even though I was missing a couple others.
I may just wait until closer to my trip to add it back for accessing the DVC lounge. That's probably the only thing I'll need it for at this point since I have an AP.

If you have any other suggestions as a workaround I'd be happy to hear them.

 

[deedubb]

It’s kind of funny to me that people come on here to report how to get around the system and get discounts, even though they are white card members. I’ve seen comments on other previous threads that give tips on how to get the discount. Did it occur to anyone that DVC probably reads these comments? So by people coming on here and reporting the success they had or how to get discounts for which they aren’t eligible, all they are doing is showing DVC another loop hole that has to be shut. And DVC WILL shut it. Isn’t it better to keep things like that quiet?

Although, with the new system it seems like it’ll be pretty difficult to get around it.

It's not really a loophole. It's more about CM's enforcing the rules, or even being aware of the rules for that matter. We all know that it's not uncommon to get 2 different answers if you ask the same question to 2 different CMs. The problem will be exacerbated with a whole batch of new CMs due to the pandemic.