DHS bus drop off 20 min walk!?

[bryanb]

Loop. Bus Loop. DHS Bus Loop.

Please stay on topic so the thread remains here on TPAS than to be moved to Transportation or the DLR board.

Much respect to the difficult job of moderation. I was trying to inject (maybe too subtly) a recommendation for people who are truly hurting from this change at DHS (in some cases, to the point where it's starting to damage their vacation), without piling on with name calling.

 

[hiroMYhero]

a recommendation

Yes, and your recommendation led to a Paradise Pier post.

Hence, again, the request is that the thread remain respectfully on topic with a civil discussion on the DHS Bus Loop.

 

[LMO429]

Which area is the minnie van drop off now at hs?? Also what time do minnie vans start in the morning?

 

[Grammy4Lizzy]

I understand that there are people complaining but my Mother always said "Don't complain if you don't have a suggestion to fix something". So what do you suggest that Disney do that is feasible and not just "Move the lot back".
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[hiroMYhero]

Which area is the minnie van drop off now at hs?? Also what time do minnie vans start in the morning?

@yulilin3 reported this today:

And just a confirmation, I saw a Minnie van dropping off guest at the very front of the television lot (old cm lot) so very close to the entrance

 

[bryanb]

a civil discussion on the DHS Bus Loop

You got it. In that case, my opinion is that, unfortunately, in 9 pages of discussion, I have not seen anyone provide a better solution for what how they'd do it differently given the construction that Disney needs to do. Not any that are practical from a cost or logistics standpoint, at least. It seems that Disney is aware that the bus loop change creates inconvenience and discomfort for some guests (hence the cool bus), but I trust that they've studied it and this is the best they could come up with as a temporary solution.

If one must go to WDW at this time, it's good to have been warned by these boards, so that people who need to can make separate arrangements (such as taking an Uber or Minnie Van at their own expense, or taking the boat from Epcot). I'm not sure that there's much more that can be done.

 

[Mark Cameron]

above is the green wall that emits a lot of heat
below you can see they added more umbrellas

after the walk this is where you end up, by the soda machine and Mickey topiary

benches along thee way, no umbrellas though

the furthest stops are 1,2,3,26,25,24 each side has cooling buses

You know, from that first picture to the next I find it impressive that you sprinted to get in front of the guy with the Royal Blue shirt on. lol Thank you for the pictures. It makes it easier to understand the distance for visual people like me.

 

[igrsod]

How does the air conditioned bus work? How will you know if your bus has arrived and how do you hold a spot in the line if youre in the ac bus?

 

[Mark Cameron]

How does the air conditioned bus work? How will you know if your bus has arrived and how do you hold a spot in the line if youre in the ac bus?

The bus operator is listening to the radio and informs the people on the bus what buses are arriving. Pretty "cool" idea!

 

[hiroMYhero]

How does the air conditioned bus work? How will you know if your bus has arrived and how do you hold a spot in the line if youre in the ac bus?

Yulilin posted the following earlier:

Currently in a cooling bus waiting for the AoA bus, there are about 10 people waiting in here for various buses.
The cm in this bus is in communication with the buses pulling up so he lets us know when one is coming.

If a guest chooses to sit in the cooling bus, they wouldn’t have a spot in line until they left to enter their resort/park bus line.

 

[fla4fun]

I understand that there are people complaining but my Mother always said "Don't complain if you don't have a suggestion to fix something". So what do you suggest that Disney do that is feasible and not just "Move the lot back".
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My suggestion would be temporary shelter that covers the entirety of the bus waiting area to protect from the sun and rain, a place with the temporary wheelchairs to get from the bus to the gate (these are available at the normal park bus zones), and a vendor with a cart of cold bottled water for sale somewhere in the bus area (there are vending machines at Epcot and I believe AK, but getting power to the temp bus zone could be a problem). That would not take care of the extra distance but would make the waiting conditions comparable to to the other parks, as well as assist with some mobility issues. If it was only going to take a couple weeks, this might not be necessary but we are talking 6+ months, so I feel it’s reasonable for them to make some effort to make the guest experience as normal as they can, considering the construction.

 

[Farro]

My suggestion would be temporary shelter that covers the entirety of the bus waiting area to protect from the sun and rain, a place with the temporary wheelchairs to get from the bus to the gate (these are available at the normal park bus zones), and a vendor with a cart of cold bottled water for sale somewhere in the bus area (there are vending machines at Epcot and I believe AK, but getting power to the temp bus zone could be a problem). That would not take care of the extra distance but would make the waiting conditions comparable to to the other parks, as well as assist with some mobility issues. If it was only going to take a couple weeks, this might not be necessary but we are talking 6+ months, so I feel it’s reasonable for them to make some effort to make the guest experience as normal as they can, considering the construction.

I would agree they need better shade shelters while waiting for the bus. Especially if it rains.

I don't agree they need wheelchairs and carts selling cold water along the way of what amounts to be a small detour. Guests can buy water on their way out - if it's that hot they should have it anyways.

My opinion.

 

[maxiesmom]

A few shaded benches would be nice.

 

[ConnecticutNonna]

@AngiTN

I'm sorry to you, and to everyone if I sounded a bit cranky. I've never received negative responses on the Dis, and I think I misunderstood the point. Thanks for pointing that out Angi! You guys are always so supportive of each other's difference of opinion, it all took me by surprise.
I, also would never skip a park r/t where I park, but I would try to figure out an alternative plan.
So again, apologies all around!
Thanks,
NonnaT

 

[cindyfan]

This thread just helped make our decisions for our first day..... We had planned to hit HS when we get in, probably like 10:30am approx. Then head to Epcot by like 2-ish, maybe walk?! Decision made...... We will be taking the boat to Epcot. No way I want to add that extra walking time around the bus stops in the hot sun. Just seems like a horrible decision by Disney not to have better shade and waiting area for the buses.

 

[cindyfan]

The difference people seem to be indicating is that after a long(ish) walk in the hot sun, you arrive to stand in the hot sun at the bus stop. There's no relief in addition to the walk being longer than it was before.

The last thing DHS needs are any more barriers to people wanting to go to this park.

Exactly! Most people I think could handle the longer walk to the bus IF THE STOPS HAD SHADE!!! I walk all day.... every day..... I have no problem walking to and from HS and Epcot.... except in the hot sun when it's 90+ degrees. No matter who you talk to, or what site you read.... everyone warns against the hot sun! So why would Disney not have temporary shade covering these stops??? The walk being 8-10 can be do-able.... but then to wait another 15-25 minutes in the sun??? Last year we waited almost 40 minutes for a bus from HS back to POR and we were huddled under the tiniest bit of shade at the stop! NO way I'm doing waiting for a bus in the hot sun!!

 

[cindyfan]

yulilin3..... OMG! I am sweating just looking at your pictures!!! haha!!!

 

[rteetz]

You got it. In that case, my opinion is that, unfortunately, in 9 pages of discussion, I have not seen anyone provide a better solution for what how they'd do it differently given the construction that Disney needs to do. Not any that are practical from a cost or logistics standpoint, at least. It seems that Disney is aware that the bus loop change creates inconvenience and discomfort for some guests (hence the cool bus), but I trust that they've studied it and this is the best they could come up with as a temporary solution.

If one must go to WDW at this time, it's good to have been warned by these boards, so that people who need to can make separate arrangements (such as taking an Uber or Minnie Van at their own expense, or taking the boat from Epcot). I'm not sure that there's much more that can be done.

There isn’t any solution until construction is completed. This is an unfortunate temporary issue.

 

[RaySharpton]

Thank you yulilin3 for all of your photos.

Could I ask you a few questions about your photos to orient myself to DHS and the temporary parking loop?

In the first photo, I see the construction on the right, and the gondola pole, so I believe that you are facing DHS park. I am not sure. It also looks like you are walking on the pavement and not on a sidewalk. I am pretty sure that the parking lot on the right is not the old accessible parking lot. I see a round shaped sign on a light pole in the distance on the left. Do you recall the name of that sign, and it is the name of the parking lot that I see on the left of the walkway? I was asking because I was wondering what was behind that green tarped fence. I was thinking that this might be the old bus dropoff/pickup/accessible parking area.

In the second photo, are you looking in the opposite direction at the temporary bus pickup/dropoff where I see a partial sign of the bus stops and where it may split into the left and right side heading away from the DHS park? It also looks like folks are walking on a sidewalk now.

In the third photo, I see the white sidewalk and not the pavement and it looks like you are looking back toward the DHS park again because it looks like the gondola construction on the right of the photo and more buses on the left.

In the fourth photo, it looks like you are looking away from the DHS park on the right side of the bus loop 13-26 with the bus stop sign.

In the fifth photo, it looks like you are looking at the left side of the bus loop 12-1 with the bus stop sign.

I recognize the sixth and seventh photos.

In the eight photo, it looks like you are facing DHS park. I see the construction on the left and maybe soda building in the far distance.

In the ninth photo, it looks like the same view of the third photo.

I recognize the tenth and the eleventh photos.

As a comment, it is a shame that they do not "mainstream" the "bus queue line" for wheelchairs like at MK. I wish all lines were mainstreamed. I can tell by the accessible symbol on the sidewalk in the eight photo, and the line ribbons and poles in the third photo.

Speaking for myself, I would much rather go through a regular line with all of the guests than to get in a separate line.

A separate line like in the photos at the DHS bus queues for wheelchairs is uncomfortable for me to get in when the queue is already busting at the seams when I so up and it looks like I am breaking in line.

They really did a good job at MK so that when a wheelchair enters the queue line with everybody else and when the wheelchair reaches the swing gate with the accessible symbol in the last row, you push through the access gate, and wait by the metal fence where the side bus door usually positions itself. The rest of the guests continue to walk down the last row to the opening at the front of the bus.

Of course, if the bus is already loading the wheelchair would have to wait for the next bus. They usually let the wheelchair on first, if the wheelchair were there before the bus got there to give room to parallel park in the provided space in order not to worry about people's feet in the way to parallel park.

And for the same reason, the wheelchair gets off last so that everyone exits at the park before the wheelchair exits. That is why I like a resort like Pop Century. When I have stayed at resorts like POR with several stops, it is more difficult to park on the bus.

Okay, I apologize for being off topic.

above is the green wall that emits a lot of heat
below you can see they added more umbrellas

after the walk this is where you end up, by the soda machine and Mickey topiary

benches along thee way, no umbrellas though

the furthest stops are 1,2,3,26,25,24 each side has cooling buses

 

[rteetz]

Thank you yulilin3 for all of your photos.

Could I ask you a few questions about your photos to orient myself to DHS and the temporary parking loop?

In the first photo, I see the construction on the right, and the gondola pole, so I believe that you are facing DHS park. I am not sure. It also looks like you are walking on the pavement and not on a sidewalk. I am pretty sure that the parking lot on the right is not the old accessible parking lot. I see a round shaped sign on a light pole in the distance on the left. Do you recall the name of that sign, and it is the name of the parking lot that I see on the left of the walkway? I was asking because I was wondering what was behind that green tarped fence. I was thinking that this might be the old bus dropoff/pickup/accessible parking area.

In the second photo, are you looking in the opposite direction at the temporary bus pickup/dropoff where I see a partial sign of the bus stops and where it may split into the left and right side heading away from the DHS park? It also looks like folks are walking on a sidewalk now.

In the third photo, I see the white sidewalk and not the pavement and it looks like you are looking back toward the DHS park again because it looks like the gondola construction on the right of the photo and more buses on the left.

In the fourth photo, it looks like you are looking away from the DHS park on the right side of the bus loop 13-26 with the bus stop sign.

In the fifth photo, it looks like you are looking at the left side of the bus loop 12-1 with the bus stop sign.

I recognize the sixth and seventh photos.

In the eight photo, it looks like you are facing DHS park. I see the construction on the left and maybe soda building in the far distance.

In the ninth photo, it looks like the same view of the third photo.

I recognize the tenth and the eleventh photos.

As a comment, it is a shame that they do not "mainstream" the "bus queue line" for wheelchairs like at MK. I wish all lines were mainstreamed. I can tell by the accessible symbol on the sidewalk in the eight photo, and the line ribbons and poles in the third photo.

Speaking for myself, I would much rather go through a regular line with all of the guests than to get in a separate line.

A separate line like in the photos at the DHS bus queues for wheelchairs is uncomfortable for me to get in when the queue is already busting at the seams when I so up and it looks like I am breaking in line.

They really did a good job at MK so that when a wheelchair enters the queue line with everybody else and when the wheelchair reaches the swing gate with the accessible symbol in the last row, you push through the access gate, and wait by the metal fence where the side bus door usually positions itself. The rest of the guests continue to walk down the last row to the opening at the front of the bus.

Of course, if the bus is already loading the wheelchair would have to wait for the next bus. They usually let the wheelchair on first, if the wheelchair were there before the bus got there to give room to parallel park in the provided space in order not to worry about people's feet in the way to parallel park.

And for the same reason, the wheelchair gets off last so that everyone exits at the park before the wheelchair exits. That is why I like a resort like Pop Century. When I have stayed at resorts like POR with several stops, it is more difficult to park on the bus.

Okay, I apologize for being off topic.

This might help you a bit.