Democrats and Castro Sympathizers

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One of the posters here recently mentioned that much of her family is stuck in Cuba--unable to leave--in a virtual prison living under Fidel Castro's despotic and tyrannical rule.

This caused me to wonder why so many American celebrities (and maybe others, who aren't written about in articles) sympathize with Castro?

Here's an article from 2002 that is of interest. Look at the celebrities mentioned in the article and note that many of them are vocal Kerry supporters while also being vocal about their dislike for Bush. Is there something going on here? How can Woody Harrelson and Danny Glover, for instance, talk about fearing that our civil liberties in America are being encroached upon, yet show sympathy for a despotic ruler such as Castro?

What are your thoughts about this apparent inconsistency regarding being Anti-Bush, yet Pro-Castro? And, what are your thoughts that there are NO known Republican celebrities that are known to be supportive--or sympathetic, if you prefer--of Castro? The pro-Castro camp are, when their political beliefs are known, Democrats. If you start skimming, don't forget to specifically read director Saul Landau's comments, in particular, regarding the Cuban refugees in America.

Here's the article:

Critics Assail Castro's 'Sickening' Grip on Hollywood Celebs
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com | December 30, 2002

Despite decades of criticism by exiled Cubans and human rights activists, Cuba's dictator, Fidel Castro, has been labeled a "genius" and a "source of inspiration to the world" by Hollywood celebrities.

Media critic Michael Medved labels the movie-star attention to Castro, "sickening." Dennis Hayes, head of the anti-Castro Cuban American National Foundation, says Castro maintains a "cult"-like following, similar to the devotion for past figures like "Jim Jones or David Koresh."

But Saul Landau, an Emmy award-winning filmmaker who produced documentaries on Castro's Cuba, says Hollywood celebrities are realizing that a lot of the negative portrayals of Castro are inaccurate. Landau praised many of the dictator's policies, noting that Castro "has brought a greater equality in terms of wealth distribution than I guess any country in the world today."

Filmmaker Steven Spielberg visited Cuba and met with Castro in November and dined with the dictator until the early morning hours. Spielberg announced that his dinner with Castro "was the eight most important hours of my life."

Actor Jack Nicholson told Daily Variety, following his three-hour 1998 meeting in Cuba that, "He [Castro] is a genius. We spoke about everything."

Model Naomi Campbell declared that Castro was "a source of inspiration to the world."

"I'm so nervous and flustered because I can't believe I have met him. He said that seeing us in person was very spiritual," Campbell recounted of her 1999 visit to Cuba with fellow model Kate Moss, according to the Toronto Star.

The stars have also praised Castro's economic system. Comedian Chevy Chase , at Earth Day 2000 in Washington D.C., said he believes "socialism works" and explained that "Cuba might prove that." Chase added, "I think it's conclusive that there have been areas where socialism has helped to keep people at least stabilized at a certain level."

American media moguls, including the president of CBS TV, the head of MTV and the editor of Vanity Fair, visited Cuba in 2001 and had nothing but praise for the Caribbean Island. One member of the entourage described Cuba as "the most romantic, soulful and sexy country I've ever been to in my life," according to the New York Post.

'Experience of a Lifetime'

Other Hollywood celebrities who have visited Cuba and Castro include Robert Redford, Spike Lee, Sidney Pollack, Oliver Stone, Woody Harrelson, Danny Glover, Ed Asner, Shirley MacLaine, Alanis Morissette, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Kevin Costner.

Costner visited Cuba in 2001 for the premiere of his film on the Cuban Missile Crisis, Thirteen Days, and attended a private screening with Castro. The film depicts the Kennedy administration behind the scenes during the October 1962 crisis.

Costner was clearly impressed with Castro, stating at a Havana press conference, "It was an experience of a lifetime to sit only a few feet away from him and watch him relive an experience he lived as a very young man."

Movie portrayals have also reflected Hollywood's enthusiasm for Castro's Cuba, even while infuriating cultural critics like David Horowitz, who called the 1990 film Havana, starring Robert Redford and directed by Sydney Pollack, "grotesque," for its pro-Castro sentiment.

Another film currently showing in the U.S. is called Fidel. The 2002 movie is being billed as a biographical documentary of Castro, featuring the Cuban dictator as well as Harry Belafonte and Ted Turner.

The movie presents such a favorable view of Castro that New York Times movie critic A.O. Scott said of the film: "This is an exercise not in biography but in hero worship."

Last week, one of the stars of Fidel, Belafonte, was back in Cuba for a film festival and told reporters that "every day, more and more Americans are opposed to the war machine being driven by George W. Bush," according to a report from Cuba's state-run Radio Havana.

Belafonte accused Bush of using the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks to further his desire "to control the world militarily, politically, economically and culturally."

Among their key political causes, Hollywood activists are calling for the U.S. government to end the trade embargo imposed on Cuba in 1961. However, Bush has said he will not lift the embargo until Castro's government honors human rights, releases political prisoners and holds free and fair elections.

'Lovesick Rock Groupies'

Hayes, executive vice president of the Cuban American National Foundation, an organization dedicated to fighting for democracy and human rights in Cuba, believes Castro's personal mystique may be blinding the celebrities to the harsh realities of life in Cuba.

"You have to remember that Fidel Castro is a cult leader, much along the same lines as Jim Jones or David Koresh. He's a megalomaniac with a messiah complex and people go and fall into his orbit," Hayes told CNSNews.com.

He believes otherwise rational individuals can "lose all context of reality" in Castro's presence.

"People turn into lovesick rock groupies when they get into his presence. This is the impact that cult leaders have on people," Hayes added.

Furthermore, he insisted, celebrities should not be praising Castro when they don't understand the situation in Cuba.

"It's very sad, and I wish Steven Spielberg and Danny Glover or any of these other guys would spend a little time with some of the political prisoners in jail before they make broad stroke comments about Cuba and Cuban society," Hayes said.

He said he hopes celebrities will "open their eyes" before they promote Castro's Cuba.

"Remember, this is a man who has killed tens of thousands of his own citizens. He's killed over 30 Americans, he harbors fugitives from U.S. justice, he has supported terrorism and narco-terrorism throughout the hemisphere, causing untold thousands of other citizens' deaths," Hayes said.

He described Castro's rule as a "ruthless dictatorship that denies people the freedom of speech, the freedom of press, the freedom of association," and said he cannot understand how celebrities miss these points.

"What is the problem here? Short of Saddam Hussein, it's hard to find a figure in the world that has caused more human misery than Fidel Castro," Hayes added.

He said he finds it ironic that Spielberg produced the film Schindler's List, about the German slaughter of Jews during World War II, yet cannot comprehend the reality of Cuba.

"[Spielberg is] totally blind to gulags in Cuba. [During his recent visit to Cuba] he made no mention of the thousands of people who are harassed and imprisoned on a daily basis," Hayes added.

'Sickening'

Michael Medved, entertainment critic and author of the book Hollywood vs.America, describes the celebrities' support of Castro as "sickening." He believes they are naturally drawn to Castro because "part of the Hollywood mindset is an almost childlike fantasy to escape to fantasy worlds."

"The one characteristic we connect most to really successful people in Hollywood is immaturity and that fits very well into utopian paradises of various kinds, like Cuba," Medved explained in an interview with CNSNews.com.

He maintains that most celebrities can't handle their wealth and become "animated by guilt," causing their political views to become skewed.

"One of the ways people deal with that guilt is they become revolutionaries, and Castro is perfect for them because he is an intellectual," Medved said.

"[Castro] is a rich guy, he's always been a rich guy, he's from the elite like most of Hollywood," he added.

Medved expressed surprise over Spielberg's comments, that his visit to Cuba had been the "eight most important hours" of his life.

"Not the hours when he met his wife, not the birth of his children, it was the eight hours he spent with Fidel," Medved said.

David Horowitz, co-founder of the Los Angeles-based Center for the Study of the Popular Culture and a former 1960s radical, said Spielberg's comments about Castro were revealing.

"It just shows that Spielberg may be a talented filmmaker, but he hasn't got any moral brains," Horowitz said.

Medved believes the left-leaning Hollywood celebrities are drawn to the meager existence of the Cuban people.

"They say, 'isn't it wonderful, [Cubans] are all driving these vintage cars and they keep them running. Well, it is not so wonderful because they are too poor to get anything else," he said.

Another key factor in Castro's appeal to Hollywood is his "machismo" or sex appeal, according to Medved.

"[Castro] has acknowledged that he personally slept with over 1,000 women...it would be fairly common for Castro to go through four or five women a day," he said.

"For people who have invested a great deal of life proudly trying to see how many beautiful women you can conquer, there is a natural tendency to identify with Bill Clinton or Fidel Castro," Medved added.

'Useless Idiots'

Horowitz called Hollywood's close relationship with Castro a "national disgrace," which he alleged has "been going on for years and years."

Castro is a "sadistic monster," Horowitz said and "the longest surviving dictator in the world." Celebrities gloss over these realities, he contended.

"[Hollywood] can't tell a dictator from a Democrat or a country deliberately and systemically impoverished by its leader. These people don't know anything," Horowitz said.

"It's just depressing to even talk about it. They are useless idiots, if I may turn [Vladimir] Lenin's comment around," he said, referring to the Russian leader's description of naive Western journalists as "useful idiots."

Robin Bronk, executive director of the Creative Coalition, a liberal celebrity-based activist group whose founders include Ron Silver, Christopher Reeve, and Susan Sarandon, believes many Hollywood celebrities are getting a bum rap when it comes to political activism.

"Celebrity activism is as old as [silent film actress] Gloria Swanson," she said.

"We live in a society here in the U.S. where celebrities are put out there as opinion leaders," Bronk explained. "Just as they have their agent and their manager and their publicists, they are expected to have their issue," she added.

Noting that the activism can be effective "if utilized the right way," Bronk conceded that "there are a lot of spokespeople who are speaking on behalf of issues that are not necessarily the best spokespeople."

She also said Hollywood is dominated by liberals because, "typically people in the arts tend to be more liberal and less conservative. I think it's the nature of that constituency."

'Cuba is King'

Filmmaker Saul Landau , an Emmy award-winning filmmaker who produced four separate documentaries on Castro's Cuba for PBS and CBS, including a 1974 CBS documentary with Dan Rather, thinks Hollywood's assessment of Cuba reflects reality.

Landau rejects the idea that Castro is duping celebrities.

"How the hell is he duping them? They've got two eyes, they've got two ears," he told CNSNews.com.

"Cuba is the king of all of Latin American countries," Landau said.

He believes Hollywood stars have seen the truth in Cuba.

"You don't have millions of homeless people in Cuba, you don't have 42 million people who don't have access to medical care," Landau said, comparing Cuba to the United States.

Cuba outperforms the United States "when you talk about the right to food, the right to shelter, the right to a job, the right to a retirement," according to Landau. These issues are "less than rigorously enforced in the U.S." he added.

Landau also believes Castro's detractors have exaggerated his human rights abuses.

"I have not seen any evidence that he is a sadistic monster or a brutal dictator," he explained, adding that he has little regard for Cuban American refugees.

"People in Miami who are running their anti-Castro lobby, are, in my opinion, not representative of the Cubans in the country," Landau said.

"Cuban human rights violations take the form of procedural violations. They involve legal and political rights rather than economic and social rights," he added.

Landau did not deny that Castro's rule has included suppression of a free press and multi-party electoral process, but said like in any revolution, "they broke a lot of eggs" to achieve their goals.

He also made it clear that he is no fan of President George W. Bush.

"It's very difficult coming from the U.S., to imagine a political leader with whom you could have an intelligent conversation. Well, I guess you could with Bill Clinton, but you certainly can't with the moron that is in there today," Landau said.

Castro has a "religious aura" about him, according to Landau.

"When he comes into room, a wind follows him. He intimidates people by his very presence, he emanates, he vibrates power," he explained.

'Truth Needs to Come Out'

There are a few celebrities who make no attempt to hide their disdain for Castro. Actor Andy Garcia, a Cuban refugee, recently expressed his frustration over what he sees as the ignorance on the part of many in Hollywood and in America to Castro's Cuba.

"Sometimes, you feel like what's really going down in Cuba is protected in a way by the American media, and it's a shame, because the truth needs to come out. People need to be aware of what's really going on down there," he told Fort Lauderdale's City Link newspaper in October.

Garcia said he was proud of his 2000 HBO movie, "For Love or Country: The Arturo Sandoval Story." The film profiles a jazz musician who fled Cuba for America.

Garcia was blunt in his assessment of his native country. "For me, there's no substitute for liberty and freedom. People die for that," he said.

Singer Gloria Estefan is another Cuban refugee who feels frustrated that people don't understand the Castro government. Estefan fled the communist nation when she was two years old.

"People don't have a lot of information, and when they ask me about it, I tell them about the drama of exiles, the repression, the firing squads, the horror of communism," she told Exito Online in 1997.

"My whole family paid a heavy price for freedom. My father not only fought in the Bay of Pigs, he volunteered to fight in Vietnam. He fought for these same freedoms," Estefan said.

"How could I forget that Fidel Castro was the person who did me so much harm?" she asked.

Edited for clarity
 
Kendra- Do you stay awake thinking up these posts?
For crying out loud-get a life! I'm pretty much as far to the
left as they come; my great grandmother and grandmother visited
Cuba in it's heyday. I hate Castro and what he has done to the
citizens of Cuba. Your post is purposefully inflammatory and I
don't appreciate it. You have actually called yourself a moderate
on these boards. What a bunch of BS. Good night.:mad:

Edited to add: If I were married to you, I'd stay away from this
board too!
 
Originally posted by shortbun
Kendra- Do you stay awake thinking up these posts?
For crying out loud-get a life! I'm pretty much as far to the
left as they come; my great grandmother and grandmother visited
Cuba in it's heyday. I hate Castro and what he has done to the
citizens of Cuba. Your post is purposefully inflammatory and I
don't appreciate it. You have actually called yourself a moderate
on these boards. What a bunch of BS. Good night.:mad:

Thank you for your thoughts, Shortbun. I do regret that you find this to be purposefully inflammatory.

No, I don't stay awake thinking about what to post, but--like most-- I think about a lot of things during the day. This happens to be one of the many things I have thought about the past few days (although I've actually wondered about this for the past several years). This became an issue when Oliver Stone, a vocal Bush critic, let his pro-Castro views be known.

It was only when the poster I'm referring to (on the Confederate Flag thread) discussed her family, that I decided to try and discover why there is this attraction to Cuba by certain vocal anti-Bush/anti-Republican celebrities.

I find this to be a fair question and one that I honestly do not have the answer to (I have some ideas, but they would be found offensive, most likely). If someone out there DOES have some thoughts about this, I'd really like to hear them.
 
Kendra, the Hollywood elite have always embraced socialism and socialist causes, and they are convinced that socialism and communism would work if only the right people were in charge. I think that they have held that hope up for Fidel, foolishly of course. Odd isn't it? Those who benefit substantially from capitalism would love to make it unavailable to the rest of us.
 

Originally posted by Kendra17
Thank you for your thoughts, Shortbun. I do regret that you find this to be purposefully inflammatory.

No, I don't stay awake thinking about what to post, but--like most-- I think about a lot of things during the day. This happens to be one of the many things I have thought about the past few days--although I've actually wondered about this for the past several years--I think since Oliver Stone, a vocal Bush critic, let his pro-Castro views be known.

It was only when the poster I'm referring to (on the Confederate Flag thread) discussed her family, that I decided to try and discover why there is this attraction to Cuba by certain vocal anti-Bush celebrities.

I find this to be a fair question and one that I honestly do not have the answer to (I have some ideas, but they would be found offensive, most likely). If someone out there DOES have some thoughts about this, I'd really like to hear them.

I just had to come back. I couldn't even muster up a
"HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM interesting" on this one. Your
feigning innocence and your fake question are so bogus.
Your ideas are quite clear in your post and they ARE offensive.
The title to your post makes the hair stand up on my arms, it's
so biased and inflammatory. Socialists are not democrats, they
are socialists. But hey, you are so smart-yep sarcasm-you should
know this by now. I am going to try really hard to avoid this
ridiculous thread from now on. I haven't been this disgusted in
a long time. Perhaps I should take a "chill pill":rolleyes:
 
I find this to be a fair question and one that I honestly do not have the answer to

I agree that this is a fair question....and one (I might add) that I have pondered myself.

Kendra, the Hollywood elite have always embraced socialism and socialist causes, and they are convinced that socialism and communism would work if only the right people were in charge. I think that they have held that hope up for Fidel, foolishly of course. Odd isn't it? Those who benefit substantially from capitalism would love to make it unavailable to the rest of us.

Another good point IMO
 
Originally posted by shortbun
I just had to come back. I couldn't even muster up a
"HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM interesting" on this one. Your
feigning innocence and your fake question are so bogus.
Your ideas are quite clear in your post and they ARE offensive.
The title to your post makes the hair stand up on my arms, it's
so biased and inflammatory. Socialists are not democrats, they
are socialists. But hey, you are so smart-yep sarcasm-you should
know this by now. I am going to try really hard to avoid this
ridiculous thread from now on. I haven't been this disgusted in
a long time. Perhaps I should take a "chill pill":rolleyes:
Perhaps you could show me where Republicans have embraced socialists and communists. Usually its a segment of the Democratic party who assumes this role. I believe I have seen pictures of Ct's Chris Dodd with Daniel Ortega as a matter of fact. He also attracted a lot of ardent left wing types. I am confused how you could be offended and disgusted by her post. She made an observation. A chill pill might be just what the doctor ordered.
 
Wow, I can't imagine putting that much thought or interest in what "celebrity types" do, something that has been brought up ad nauseum on this board.

People, celebrity or not, have a right to their own opinions. No need for hysteria.
 
Originally posted by DawnCt1
Perhaps you could show me where Republicans have embraced socialists and communists. Usually its a segment of the Democratic party who assumes this role. I believe I have seen pictures of Ct's Chris Dodd with Daniel Ortega as a matter of fact. He also attracted a lot of ardent left wing types. I am confused how you could be offended and disgusted by her post. She made an observation. A chill pill might be just what the doctor ordered.

What about showing you where Republicans embraced ruthless dictators? I.e. Batista in aforementioned Cuba, Reza Pahlewi in Iran, Saddam in the 80ies, etc ad nauseam.
 
Kendra, I have to laugh about the "dining with Castro". The experience would have been quite the opposite had the celeb in question "dined" at my Aunt Olga's!
 
Originally posted by Robinrs
Wow, I can't imagine putting that much thought or interest in what "celebrity types" do, something that has been brought up ad nauseum on this board.

People, celebrity or not, have a right to their own opinions. No need for hysteria.



I don't see hysteria.

And yes, you're right, people have a right to their own opinions just as they are free to be buttheads(it's a family board you know!).

I don't think anyone is saying that we all have to think alike but there (imo) should be some common ground that we can agree on. Castro and communism are bad and we should be able to let those that court him know that they're being buttheads.

I'd like to know why it's ok to be critical of someone who's done something really bad or really stupid (there are quite a few threads like that here where many chime in with their OPINIONS) but for some reason political views/opinions are off limits?
 
Originally posted by shortbun
Kendra- Do you stay awake thinking up these posts?
For crying out loud-get a life! I'm pretty much as far to the
left as they come; my great grandmother and grandmother visited
Cuba in it's heyday. I hate Castro and what he has done to the
citizens of Cuba. Your post is purposefully inflammatory and I
don't appreciate it. You have actually called yourself a moderate
on these boards. What a bunch of BS. Good night.:mad:

Edited to add: If I were married to you, I'd stay away from this
board too!

Was this really necessary? Especially the comment about being married to her?:confused: :confused: :confused:
 
I see the title of this post as somewhat "hysterical"... after all since the 50s the idea of being bedfellows with Communists is ground for extreme opinion and hysteria. Maybe it's just me. Boy, I'd hate to t"hink what would happen if someone put up a title such as
"Republicans and Hitler Sympathizers..."

I think the OP is aware that it will definitely get a rise from people, and, of course, it did.

 
Originally posted by shortbun
Your post is purposefully inflammatory and I
don't appreciate it.

You're mad that she posted an article that SOMEONE else wrote?

Which is kinda of funny because you say you hate Castro and all she's doing is asking why so many Hollywood types trip over themselves to "dine with Castro" or call him a genius" and a "source of inspiration to the world"

You seem to agree with this but somehow her post is inflammatory? :confused:
 
Originally posted by Robinrs
I see the title of this post as somewhat "hysterical"... after all since the 50s the idea of being bedfellows with Communists is ground for extreme opinion and hysteria. Maybe it's just me. Boy, I'd hate to think what would happen if someone put up a title such as
"Republicans and Hitler Sympathizers..."


Why not start one and see where it goes instead of making an (typical) assumption?




I think the OP is aware that it will definitely get a rise from people, and, of course, it did.


It's a hot topic and you were surprised by the reaction? Personally, I was surprised by Shortbuns (hysterical???) response even with her saying she hates Castro.
 
Oh My! The thought that, because someone has democrated views they are labeled as left-wing nutcake, like some of the so-called Hollywood, outspoken, border line socialists. Makes me think you may have tunnel-vision.

When 1% of the country is far-left and 1% is far-right, that makes 98% of us normal, think for ourselves, hard working Americans who vote for who they feel is right for all of America.

No one speaks for me. I can see and I can hear , althought its difficult to cut through the half truth spin some put out. I will make my decision in the fall on who I Feel is the right person for the Presidency. Not because of what some celebrity, or soft money ad group thinks or says.
 
Originally posted by Elwood Blues
Why not start one and see where it goes instead of making an (typical) assumption?


I don't do silly things like that and anyone who knows me knows I don't.




It's a hot topic and you were surprised by the reaction? Personally, I was surprised by Shortbuns (hysterical???) response even with her saying she hates Castro.

Shortbuns had a reaction to a coupling of something that reflects her views and something somewhat malicious. I'm sure it's natural to react.

I was not surprised by anything. This is very typical of the the debates on this board, very typical. Mamu said it best, there are a very tiny vocal few who get all the attention. It's not worth all of this rhetoric.
 












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