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[blondeoverbluenyc]

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[corinne76]

I am a feminist-it's not to stir the pot it's my opinion. I'm glad to live in America where we are free to express them. I have visited Hong Kong Disney while working out there out of curiosity. I had been to WDW many times but not on my own accord or as a major park fan- I was taken 3x by family as a teen, and later I was dating someone who worked on Main Street in PR so I always got in for free.

With this outlook (I won't say attitude because that gives the wrong impression and that's not what I'm trying to say), I can see where your opinion of the park comes from. and you're right. it's perfectly okay to have a different opinion than others and to express it.

What I'm wondering, you had to have known that the Princess thing is highly pushed in DL, especially since you did some recent research for your trip. Why plan a trip to Disney then? I hope that didn't come off as snarky, I'm honestly wondering.

 

[Pucka1378]

Since it is my opinion that I think you said that to stir the pot and we both agree that we live in America and are free to express ourselves then we are all good

 

[blondeoverbluenyc]

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[MommyJKM]

I am a feminist-it's not to stir the pot it's my opinion. I'm glad to live in America where we are free to express them. I have visited Hong Kong Disney while working out there out of curiosity. I had been to WDW many times but not on my own accord or as a major park fan- I was taken 3x by family as a teen, and later I was dating someone who worked on Main Street in PR so I always got in for free. Some people are into Disney Parks and some aren't. I'm not one of them -but it's OK to have that opinion just like it's ok to love it. It's not for everyone. In my case once at DL was enough for me!

I'm happy you mentioned the princess thing. I've struggled with this myself. I always wanted my daughter to play and choose without seeing gender but I realized quickly that that's the same as asking her to be "color-blind" about race. The world we live in caters to genders, and despite my attempts to redirect her, my DD fell in love with Disney Princesses! She loves her movies and dollies and meeting them at the parks. But I hope I've done a good job of balancing this with other gender neutral activities and interests.

It can probably be overwhelming to a non-parent to see the sheer volume of little dresses - but just know some of us are secretly cringing inside and just happy that our little girl is overjoyed and hoping our parenting is good enough that she will grow up knowing she can be loved by anyone who appreciates and respects her (any gender, any race, any social standing).

 

[MommyJKM]

I wanted to touch on Park Vue-We typically stay in luxury hotels. Given the great ratings online and proximity to the park, though not luxury or boutique, this seemed perfect. Upon checking in we were shocked by the quality of the hotel-just the cheap feeling it gave off like we had checked into a Motel 6 or something. Our room looked like it came out of 1970. Ugly brown everything and a cafeteria style table. There was dried juice (or something) all over the carpet so our feet stuck when we walked. The walls and ceilings were so thin, we were kept awake all night by screaming children next door-and by the parents who let them loose outside our door at 6am to scream. The sheets were not quality and so crunchy we could hardly sleep on them. When we pulled up the sheet to check for bedbugs as we do at any hotel-the under part was covered in yellow stains, black hairs and crud. We would never stay again, but were stuck for the 2 nights given it was pre paid.

It's interesting how defensive so many people are on here saying i'm trying to stir the pot when i'm just posting my experiences and opinion. Isn't that what you all do as well? If you can't have an objective adult conversation you probably need to grow up. Not everyone is brainwashed to think Disney is amazing.

By the way I am one of the few on this board who dis likes Park View. I thought it was gross and looked far better online than in person. But I understand how some people can find it acceptable and even pleasant. But it's good to get other opinions. If I had actually looked at reviews (I stayed there about 5yrs ago and didn't do social media research) I would have thought it was great too, but I really hated it. And I would have been mad so many people loved it when I thought it was horrible.

Now Candy Cane...that's one that people rave about that I actually liked.

 

[kangamama]

It's interesting how defensive so many people are on here saying i'm trying to stir the pot when i'm just posting my experiences and opinion. Isn't that what you all do as well? If you can't have an objective adult conversation you probably need to grow up. Not everyone is brainwashed to think Disney is amazing.

I think people get defensive when they are told they "need to grow up" in the same paragraph that they are being told to have "adult conversation". Like I said, above, I was giving you the benefit of a doubt, and in doing so was trying to stay out of the thread as I saw it was turning into a pile up, but using phrases like that is pretty combative, and your tone across your posts in this thread have been on the aggressive side. Obviously opinions can differ (both on what your tone has been, whether you're trying to stir the pot, whether you gave Disneyland "enough" of a chance to impress, and millions of other things).

FWIW, I've stayed at PVI, too, and hate it. I hope wherever you travel next will be more enjoyable for you.

 

[Susie63]

What the what... do they not have water on Splash mountain in WDW? DD will not be happy!

 

[Disney Dudette]

This is a disney board for disney fans, so for you to post on such a board like this and say people are "brainwashed to think disney is amazing" is a very rude comment to make. This probably isn't the board for you.

 

[GatorChris]

Good grief, did this ever turn ugly. I was really wanting to back up the OP - I've always felt that Disney was about Fireworks and was disappointed that DL wasn't like WDW in that regard, and I hate when multiple E-ticket rides are down. But.....

Accusing Disney of forcing gender roles on us is ridiculous. I suppose the fact that men and women are genetically different - all the way down to the cellular level - has nothing to do with accepted gender roles in the society of the ENTIRE WORLD. No, it's definitely Disney making movies of princesses in ...gasp... dresses. And then to say you won't watch WOC because with the drought in CA, it's morally wrong. But you have no problem throwing back another alcoholic beverage to make life better which many find morally wrong.

I'll readily admit that I'm an extremist when it comes to certain views (clearly opposite of yours), but if I bring them up here (which I would be hard pressed to do seeing as this is a Disney forum and not a newspaper forum) or anywhere, I'll know I'll have to defend them against a heavy backlash. You want to knock Disney for some things you won't like, fine. I've done. Most of us have done it. But start bringing in what you did and no one will be able to defend you.

 

[tiffjoy]

I have had off days at the parks, too. Sometimes the crowds at DLR (especially if you are used to Hong Kong or WDW) are incredibly overwhelming. We do exactly as you said and escape to DCA. It's so much more open there. It's my favorite of the two parks.

As an ardent feminist, my two little girls adore the princesses and have many princess dresses which they love to wear. I fully support them in this without any qualms. My relationship with their dad is a real-life example of true romance. These are stories, fairytales, pretend. When you are a child, you make a friend one day at the park and five minutes later, they are your best friend ever. It's not implausible for children to apply this same thinking to a marital relationship, but they will outgrow that thinking.

I actually have a real issue with the lack of diversity, more than anything else. We are huge Mulan, Tiana, and Pocahontas fans (I do stress that there was a 'different" Pocahontas since the Disney story is total fiction), but I would love to have seen the new Cinderella movie embrace the idea that all heroines come in all different races and skin colors. Would have been nice, like they do on Once Upon a Time.

Thanks for coming back and reporting. Every trip isn't going to be all sunshine and roses, even if it is to Disney. I do hope that you will return sometime for another try.

 

[whoever]

It also made me sad to see all of the girls dressed as princesses. It's such an antifeminist POV to press upon young girls-get married to a man and live happily ever after. I'm glad they have Elsa now who isn't such a stereotype. I'd love to see some little girls dressed as Peter Pan or boy characters but Disney had pressed into there minds the opposite is how things should be.

Umm....

Peter, Hook, Michael, and John are all female here. I'm the only male in the entire group.

And as far as anti-feminist... big whoop. If my daughters want to marry it, they are welcome to do it. A lot easier to marry it than earn it themselves... just ask the wife (don't tell her I said that )

 

[javeyloveschelsi]

Umm....

Peter, Hook, Michael, and John are all female here. I'm the only male in the entire group.

And as far as anti-feminist... big whoop. If my daughters want to marry it, they are welcome to do it. A lot easier to marry it than earn it themselves... just ask the wife (don't tell her I said that )

Off topic (honestly don't have anything to say on the topic...) but I love your Peter Pan outfits! We are planning on that theme this year with me as Peter, my hubby as Captain Hook, DD1 as Wendy, DD2 as Tink, and our baby boy as Tick tock croc...thanks for sharing the pic!

 

[DannyDisneyFreak]

This is a disney board for disney fans, so for you to post on such a board like this and say people are "brainwashed to think disney is amazing" is a very rude comment to make. This probably isn't the board for you.

I agree with this. It's one thing to express your opinions and you deserve to be respected even if people disagree BUT this crosses a line.

 

[DannyDisneyFreak]

Very funny she deleted all her posts... makes me question the sincerity of her questions/comments.

 

[Gisele]

Um......like maaaan....I can still see your (OP) thread. Changing the thread title to deleted, doesn't make it so. Lol
Can still read some of your posts too. Thanks to quoting.
I am glad that you had an ok day at DLR. Maybe one day, it will be an awesome day. But if not, that is ok too.

 

[beachdreamr1229]

LOL. Truth is, we are a little brainwashed. It's part of marketing. That being said, bring on the brainwashing! It brings me joy to know that Disney synergy has eaten away at my brain cells.

FYI, I am a very liberal feminist. That being said, it's okay to want to be a princess. My son can't stop asking if he can dress up as Elsa next time we go. Who am I to stop him?

 

[corinne76]

LOL don't stop him! Just the other day my son played with his trucks wearing Elsa gloves.

 

[cindernat]

I've had enough of this thread and won't be reading any more of it, the most negative thread I've read on disboards so far.

 

[Gisele]

I've had enough of this thread and won't be reading any more of it, the most negative thread I've read on disboards so far.

I see your a newcomer?
This thread is nothing, believe me.