Delay, Frist, Libby, Cunningham

[Disney Gator]

Accepting bribes as a public official is much more detrimental to our system of government than receiving oral sex. And the problem with Clinton lying about it is they all lie. We've come to expect it.

At least Clinton didn't do what he did for a payoff. There seems to be no limit to what the Repugs will do for a little cash- or oil.

How is that different than what Democrats do? It's not Republicans or Democrats who will do anything for money, it's politicians. They're all pretty much the same.

"Pot, I'd like you to meet kettle."

 

[Puffy2]

And then of course, there is the "Swimmer". Teddy Kennedy

Oh, yes, we always have to have someone bring up Ted Kennedy and events from..what? over 20 years ago?

Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy - one isn't even in office anymore and they other is a has-been .

I'm more concerned with the criminal activities of the present - namely Bill Frist, Tom Delay, Cunningham, Karl Rove, Scooter Libby....all republicans.

 

[yeartolate]

That's an excellent point. He is one of four hundred. We only have one president at a time. I think that the president needs to be held to a higher moral standard.

Idle curiosity, in terms of potential harm to this coountry, which crime do you consider worse?

 

[ford family]

Oh, yes, we always have to have someone bring up Ted Kennedy and events from..what? over 20 years ago?

That's a bit rich from someone who brings up a self publicist and attention seeker from 2,000 years ago.

ford family

 

[Mugg Mann]

: Somehow I think that dodging a vehicular homocide or manslaughter charge is a LOT more serious than just "money".

Dawn, why don't you remind the board what the verdict was in the Laura Bush manslaughter trial back when she killed that person. Oh wait, that's right, there wasn't a trial. She "dodged a vehicular homicide or manslaughter charge" as well.

Watch Dawn now attempt to explain why Laura Bush's circumstance isn't serious and doesn't fall under the criteria she herself has defined. After all, as she has demonstrated many times on the boards, in Dawn's hypocritical world only the left wing is at fault.

 

[Judge Smails]

No one has mentioned the fact that Bush and Cheney are convicted criminals. Both having been charged with Driving Under the Influence.Bush is an alcoholic. This makes them unique as the only convicted criminals elected to the WH. Cheney is under investigation as we speak. Interesting that the right howls that Libby is being charged with crimes not related to the original charges but that's exactly what happened to Clinton.

What will the righties do when Bush is tied into the CIA leak case or even better the Abramoff affair?

What do you think the half life of Bush will be after the "06 elections?

Hey Dawn...you forgot Nixon and Agnew. Why did you forget the 2 biggest criminals. Could it be becasue they were Republicans. I didn't think it possible that anyone could be more reviled then Nixon, but Bush has proven me wrong. Bush makes Nixon look like Gandhi.

I LOVE watching what's left of the BuSH faithful (and there are precious few ) grasping and flailing.

 

[Judge Smails]

Dawn, why don't you remind the board what the verdict was in the Laura Bush manslaughter trial back when she killed that person. Oh wait, that's right, there wasn't a trial. She "dodged a vehicular or manslaughter charge" as well.

Watch Dawn now attempt to explain why Laura Bush's circumstance isn't serious and doesn't fall under the criteria she herself has defined. After all, as she has demonstrated many times on the boards, in Dawn's hypocritical world only the left wing is as fault.

That person she killed was her boyfriend. Amazing...no charges...

 

[Mugg Mann]

That person she killed was her boyfriend. Amazing...no charges...

Technically not correct. She wanted him to be her boyfriend, but they were not dating at the time she killed him. There is speculation that they had been dating earlier in the year before she killed him.

 

[dsanner106]

SOoo, basically, politicians are all cut from the same cloth , and party affiliation matters very little. In the midst of the Clinton debacle, Gingrich , the most powerful rep. at the time was run out of office after much bashing over a corporation buying 5000 copies of his book and giving them to their employees, so both sides are always at work against one another. One of the top Ga Democratic politicians was convicted this week on 126 felony charges, just curious, who outside of Ga read that in their papers?

Drew

 

[yeartolate]

One of the top Ga Democratic politicians was convicted this week on 126 felony charges, just curious, who outside of Ga read that in their papers?

Drew

I am curious what post this politician held.

An official in a post such as congressman or senator (on up) has national influence despite their affiliation to their particular state - hence the national spotlight. A Georgia congressman could impact my life whereas a member of a state legislature or a city mayor could not.

 

[Puffy2]

That person she killed was her boyfriend. Amazing...no charges

I haven't heard about this - anybody got a link with info on what you are talking about?

Also, I live in Georgia - what offical? Are you talking about Vernon Jones? (a local county politican?)Or someone else.

 

[Mugg Mann]

Here's a link on the Laura Bush story from snopes.com; a good non-partisan source that investigates "urban legends" and determines if they are true or not.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp

When you have time, check out the Clinton sections and see how many stories that right wingers have cited that are simply not true.

 

[sodaseller]

But it wasn't about hanky panky. It was perjury, suborning perjury, obstruction of justice, attempting to deprive Paula Jones of redress through the courts. I think that it had a LOT of repercussions on Americans. I know that there were a lot of pre adolescents who took note of his statement to the American people of "I didn't have sex with that woman". I don't think its a matter of what's "worse", they are both bad and deserve to be seen that way.

Clinton's impeachment was about perjury like Andrew Jonson's was about the Tenure of Office Act. Sex=Reconstruction

 

[sodaseller]

Clinton's "payoff" was to make Paula Jones look like a false accuser. I think the settlement was at least $2.4 million dollars.

As accurate as usual

Link

Less than a week before impeachment hearings are set to start, President Clinton settled the case that prompted it all - agreeing Friday to pay Paula Jones $850,000 to drop the sexual-harassment lawsuit that has dogged him for four years

 

[DawnCt1]

Dawn, why don't you remind the board what the verdict was in the Laura Bush manslaughter trial back when she killed that person. Oh wait, that's right, there wasn't a trial. She "dodged a vehicular homicide or manslaughter charge" as well.

Watch Dawn now attempt to explain why Laura Bush's circumstance isn't serious and doesn't fall under the criteria she herself has defined. After all, as she has demonstrated many times on the boards, in Dawn's hypocritical world only the left wing is at fault.

I am sure it was Laura Bush's prominence as the wife of the 43rd president of the United States that was instrumental in "dodging" those charges. Oh but wait; she wasn't married then. She was just 17 year old Laura Welch who accidentally ran a stop sign. It was careless but it wasn't manslaughter.

 

[Independent]

I am sure it was Laura Bush's prominence as the wife of the 43rd president of the United States that was instrumental in "dodging" those charges. Oh but wait; she wasn't married then. She was just 17 year old Laura Welch who accidentally ran a stop sign. It was careless but it wasn't manslaughter.

Really? Your picture looks like you have teenage sons. If a 17 year old girl would run a stop sign at 50 mph and kill one of your boys instantly, would you still say "oh she was just 17?"

But perhaps it was her influential, democratic family that was responsible for not having charges filed Did you know that when Laura was 17 she was a democrat? Yup - raised in a liberal, democratic family. Not until she married 'Bushie' (her pet name for him), did she become a Republican. However, some of the liberal upbringing peeks out occasionally, such as the time when on the Today show, she said she did not believe Roe vs. Wade should be overturned. Which is exactly why I admire her. She sticks to her viewpoints and will not be swayed by her powerful inlaws.

 

[Mugg Mann]

I am sure it was Laura Bush's prominence as the wife of the 43rd president of the United States that was instrumental in "dodging" those charges. Oh but wait; she wasn't married then. She was just 17 year old Laura Welch who accidentally ran a stop sign. It was careless but it wasn't manslaughter.

So your insinuation is that Ted Kennedy deliberately set out to kill Mary Jo Kopechne when they got in the car together and that's why the two cases should be regarded differently? In both cases, someone was killed through the negligence of the other and neither was deliberate. So, other than the fact that she's now married to the man who you think might be the "greatest president ever" (your words), why does Laura Bush get held to a more liberal standard by you?

 

[dennis99ss]

Its just perjury for Libby, by the way. According to Kay Bailey Hutchinson, it is not a big deal, at least, that's what she told Larry King the night before the indictment. No big deal for Libby, of course, he is a republican. Big deal for Clinton. Hm, no double standard there.

 

[DawnCt1]

So your insinuation is that Ted Kennedy deliberately set out to kill Mary Jo Kopechne when they got in the car together and that's why the two cases should be regarded differently? In both cases, someone was killed through the negligence of the other and neither was deliberate. So, other than the fact that she's now married to the man who you think might be the "greatest president ever" (your words), why does Laura Bush get held to a more liberal standard by you?

They were both killed by negligence however, Teddy was a with a woman who was not his wife, left the scene of the accident, behaved in a cowardly way and then engaged in a coverup. Additionally, Ted Kennedy was an adult with life experience and was wrong and erred in a multitude of ways. The accident certainly killed any aspirations he had to run for president along with his love affair with alcohol. www.ytedk.com/chapter2.htm

 

[DawnCt1]

Really? Your picture looks like you have teenage sons. If a 17 year old girl would run a stop sign at 50 mph and kill one of your boys instantly, would you still say "oh she was just 17?"

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I said, she was just 17 year old Laura Welch....translation, "not a member of the Bush family".