Defense Spending vs. Children

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Some interesting numbers:

Federal Spending and American Pie

America stands first in nuclear defense capabilities and first in nuclear defense expenditures among industrialized countries. And it's not even close!

But America ranks only...
14th in efforts to lift children out of poverty;
18th in the percentage of children in poverty;
And last (yes, last!) in providing health insurance for all children.

It might make you wonder if something is out-of-whack with the U.S. federal discretionary spending pie. Perhaps some slices are too big, while others are too small?

Consider these facts: The United States spends nearly $30 billion annually on nuclear deterrence, including strategic and tactical nuclear weapons and missile defense systems. That's about the same amount we spent, on average, during the Cold War that ended sixteen years ago.

Our nuclear stockpile today includes nearly 10,000 warheads. Their destructive force would stack up against 150,000 Hiroshima-sized bombs.

Meanwhile, according to the experts, as much as $13 billion could be cut from U.S. nuclear spending each year without compromising our national security or our standing as the world's strongest nuclear power.

We think those funds would be better invested in programs that benefit America's children.

Just $1 billion a year would be enough to fully immunize every two-year old who has not already been vaccinated against preventable childhood disease.
$2 billion annually could provide health insurance for 1 million of America's 9 million uninsured children.
$5 billion a year would allow us to cover Head Start for every eligible child not currently enrolled in the program.

 
Do we honestly think that IF congress got their heads out of their rear and were more responsible with defense spending so as to spend lest--that they'd let all the surplus go to kids?

It looks good on paper--but I'm not convinced that would actually happen.

you can say it only costs whatever amount of money.

Have you seen the movie DAVE? (love that movie!) I'm sure there are other areas of wasteful spending.

Why is everyone so quick to jump on defense spending as if trimming that will solve all of our problems?

The whole entire budget could use a good look-see to see what money is being wasted where. Defense is just a cop-out for those who want to look good by saying too much money is being spent on the war when their are all these poor children out there. It is tugging at the heart strings and nothing more.
 
I guess I missed the part in the Constitution that said we should be caring for children on a national level. Nor about providing an education, lifting anyone out of poverty, or providing health care. But the Constitution clearly states "Provide for the common defense".

Not only don't I think these issues are federal issues, since when does the government do a great, efficient job at anything? Why does everyone keep looking to the government for solutions instead of themselves or private organizations? If I had $20 to give, I'd rather it go to the Salvation Army, which does a tremendous job IMHO, than give it in taxes to the government.

If you want the government to take care of everything, you might be a lot happier in a socialist society.
 
You have to look state by state....MA and NH, for example have health programs for kids. So, maybe federal spending isn't that great, but some states make up for that at the local level. Your beef is with the state government for failing to provide education and health care and other social programs. Yes, the federal goverment helps the states by reimbursing certain things or providing grants or other funding, but the states manage them and are responsible for funding them. So, the stats are skewed...add in how much the states provide and see where we rank in the world.
 

Why is poverty a governmental problem and not a personal one? Frankly it is the fault of the adults having the children that the children are in poverty. I agree, btw, that I would give cash to about any group other than the gov. to help children. Charity needs to be a grassroot effort, and it doesn't involve just handing out money.

I do think that saving money and paying the national debt would be a good idea.
 
It's the Federal Government's responsibility to provide for the common defense. It's the responsibility of parents to provide for their children. If the United States didn't have a strong defense, it wouldn't matter how much was spent on children, would it?
 
BuzznBelle'smom said:
I guess I missed the part in the Constitution that said we should be caring for children on a national level. Nor about providing an education, lifting anyone out of poverty, or providing health care. But the Constitution clearly states "Provide for the common defense".

Not only don't I think these issues are federal issues, since when does the government do a great, efficient job at anything? Why does everyone keep looking to the government for solutions instead of themselves or private organizations? If I had $20 to give, I'd rather it go to the Salvation Army, which does a tremendous job IMHO, than give it in taxes to the government.

If you want the government to take care of everything, you might be a lot happier in a socialist society.

Rock on! ::yes::
 
Military spending is actually pretty low:

Fiscal Year Military spending as
percent of GDP
1940 1.7
1941 5.6
1942 17.8
1943 37.0
1944 37.8
1945 37.5
1946 19.2
1947 5.5
1948 3.5
1949 4.8
1950 5.0
1951 7.4
1952 13.2
1953 14.2
1954 13.1
1955 10.8
1956 10.0
1957 10.1
1958 10.2
1959 10.0
1960 9.3
1961 9.4
1962 9.2
1963 8.9
1964 8.5
1965 7.4
1966 7.7
1967 8.8
1968 9.4
1969 8.7
1970 8.1
1971 7.3
1972 6.7
1973 5.8
1974 5.5
1975 5.5
1976 5.2
1977 4.9
1978 4.7
1979 4.6
1980 4.9
1981 5.1
1982 5.7
1983 6.1
1984 5.9
1985 6.1
1986 6.2
1987 6.1
1988 5.8
1989 5.6
1990 5.2
1991 4.6
1992 4.8
1993 4.4
1994 4.0
1995 3.7
1996 3.5
1997 3.3
1998 3.1
1999 3.0
2000 3.0
2001 3.0
2002 3.4
2003 3.7
2004 3.6
3005 3.9

Source: OMB
 
BuzznBelle'smom said:
I guess I missed the part in the Constitution that said we should be caring for children on a national level. Nor about providing an education, lifting anyone out of poverty, or providing health care. But the Constitution clearly states "Provide for the common defense".

I don't really think we need 10,000 nuclear weapons to "provide for a common defense."
 
I don't think that just throwing money at a "problem" like lack of quality education makes it go away.
 
kelleigh1 said:
Just $1 billion a year would be enough to fully immunize every two-year old who has not already been vaccinated against preventable childhood disease.
$2 billion annually could provide health insurance for 1 million of America's 9 million uninsured children.
$5 billion a year would allow us to cover Head Start for every eligible child not currently enrolled in the program.

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Where I live children living in poverty are already eligible for all of the above, but as a former foster parent, my experience is that a lot of parents are too lazy to enroll them or follow through with getting the services. I just don't see how throwing more money at the problem is going to fix it.

Edited to say that if money could solve the problem, then I'd donate everything I own. It's an issue that breaks my heart every day.
 
Personally I feel taking care of America's children does a lot to "promote the general welfare".


But America ranks only...
14th in efforts to lift children out of poverty;
18th in the percentage of children in poverty;
And last (yes, last!) in providing health insurance for all children.
 
Free4Life11 said:
And throwing hundreds of billions into Iraq wont make terrorists go away either.
And doing nothing or threatening them with lawyers and courts won't make them go away either.

Keeping them occupied in Iraq and Afghanistan keeps them from coming here. And there they have to fight armed soldiers instead of attacking unarmed civilians here.
 
crazyforgoofy said:
Personally I feel taking care of America's children does a lot to "promote the general welfare".


But America ranks only...
14th in efforts to lift children out of poverty;
18th in the percentage of children in poverty;
And last (yes, last!) in providing health insurance for all children.

As pointed out earlier some of these numbers do not take into account what each individual state does on its own about these problems. A country like France has the National govt oversee everything for the most part whereas our constitution is set up so that the states are to carry a significant burden on most of these issues. If we are sooooo bad why is it we still have very long "paper" lines from pretty much every country in the world for entry. Whereas we have a trade deficit with many countries I have yet to here of such a thing when it comes to immigration.
 
JudicialTyranny said:
And doing nothing or threatening them with lawyers and courts won't make them go away either.

I didn't say do nothing and it's not "Iraq or nothing." I'm all for going after terrorists and trying to decrease terrorism, but I think invading Iraq was a stupid way of going about it. I think it was especially stupid when there are still many many vulnerabilities in our own country.
 
It's great to see that there are some reasonable people out there who realize that the constitution doesn't make any promises about poverty or education. And that we spend very little of our GDP on defense. The constitution gives you the freedom to achieve as much as your ability, desire and imagination will allow. The government exists to defend and protect that freedom. We are a free state, not a welfare state. Some nations that have provided "free" health care and a "free" education include the Soviet Union, China, North Korea and Cuba. They also limit or completely outlaw religious expression and free speech and in many instances determine where you will live and what your job or profession will be.
For those who want to make a difference about poverty, make donations of your time and money to the organizations that truly make a difference in helping those in need lift themselves out of a bad situation. Don't expect the government to raise taxes on the rest of us to create more bureacracies to impoverish the already poverty stricken.
 
Free4Life11 said:
I didn't say do nothing and it's not "Iraq or nothing." I'm all for going after terrorists and trying to decrease terrorism, but I think invading Iraq was a stupid way of going about it. I think it was especially stupid when there are still many many vulnerabilities in our own country.

Regardless, the war in Iraq is not the sole beneficiary of our defense dollars.

That is the purpose of the quoted text in the OP--to make it seem that way.
 
JudicialTyranny said:
Keeping them occupied in Iraq and Afghanistan keeps them from coming here. And there they have to fight armed soldiers instead of attacking unarmed civilians here.

Huh???

The people we are fighting in Iraq are not the same people who were a threat to us before the war -- by going to war there we have inspired new people there to violence, and given the people who were already terrorists new motivation to keep it up.
 
You're right in fact much of the Iraq spending isn't even included in the Defense budget, which makes me wonder what the basic breakdown of the, what, $400B+ budget is? Where is the money going?
 


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