DD wants a purity ring

So many parents seem so sure that their kids will feel as strongly about "waiting" or "not waiting" as they are. I have to wonder what will happen if their child does not agree with the parent when they are old enough to make that decision without pressure from others.

What will you do if your child does not want to wait until marriage?
 
I agree, other than the Jonas Brothers I don't think anyone has posted about knowing in real life a boy who has a purity ring.

I'm not sure about the ring, but Tim Tebow has said he is abstinent. At BYU male athletes have been expelled for having premarital sex. While the "boys will be boys" attitude was common in the '50s, most parents I know who want their daughters to wait want the same for their sons.
 
I'm not sure about the ring, but Tim Tebow has said he is abstinent. At BYU male athletes have been expelled for having premarital sex. While the "boys will be boys" attitude was common in the '50s, most parents I know who want their daughters to wait want the same for their sons.

Yes I think someone may have mentioned Tebow along with the Jonases but I was wondering if the posters who know girls in real life who have purity rings also know any boys in real life who wear purity rings? (not celebrities, people they actually know).
A few have said they encourage abstinence in boys but I haven't seen anyone post about a boy they know wearing a purity ring. I was just curious about that.
 
If you choose towaitfor marriage that is your decision, but why do you need to wear a ring to prove it? Also it has been shown that girls will perform other sexual acts so they can claim to be virgins and what about girls who are wearing the ring who don't get to choose when they have sex?
 

Now see what i want for my daughter is to never have to regret who she is with for her first time. If she loves the man enough to marry him, then that will not happen.

The thing is--I actually know people who married first and DO regret who they were with, and regret the marriage, etc.
I do know people who fully admit now, in hindsight, that they were young and not really at a point to fully understand what it takes to build a lasting relationship, and largely mistaking "lust" for love and rushed the marriage to get to the point of having sex.

I don't think waiting is always bad, or will not work. But I also don;t think it is any guarantees that there will be no regrets about that first time later on.

I also think that if you feel others expect you to wait, etc instead of it being totally your own feelings, that can add pressure which makes it more likely to e regretted down the road.

What I also often see, and your post about "if they love each other enough to get married they will not regret it" sort of is part of that--is this idea being taught to young people that if only they do it right, wait for the right person, wait for the wedding night, etc--then it will be some magical, special, AMAZing night where they instantly feel this great connection to one another and instantly are good in bed and not awkward, etc. Odds are, THAT won't happen, and then you have a big let down to a moment that has been hyped since, well in the case of the OP age 11, which I think can make the stat of a marriage harder than it needs to be--and might make some people question if the person they ended up with IS the right person after all, since this mythical perfect wedding night ended up being awkward and only sort of felt good and kind of a let down.

Anyway, I didn't marry the first guy I was with, or the second or the third. I don't regret my first time at all. I'm not sure being married or not eing married has much to do with it at all.
 
I can't say for the dad in the pp but for the mom in my example there was no choice made for the dd. It was a decision already made by the girl and related to her mom. The mom just picked out the ring.

I think any gift associated with your child's sexuality is odd. I get that the girl wanted one, but the mom picking it out and presenting it as a gift is just creepy.
Deciding to wait to have sex is a very personal decision, whether or not its based on your faith or just because you want to wait. I think celebrating or commemorating that with a gift of jewelry is bizarre, and in the case of the Dad's Valentines Day gift to his dd, really disturbing.
As parents I think we all want our kids to wait until they are mature and in a committed relationship with a person they love and respect. I don't need to celebrate the fact that my dd (or dses) has decided that is what she wants to do to :confused3
 
ashley0139 said:
So many parents seem so sure that their kids will feel as strongly about "waiting" or "not waiting" as they are. I have to wonder what will happen if their child does not agree with the parent when they are old enough to make that decision without pressure from others.

What will you do if your child does not want to wait until marriage?

There have been times and will be many more times that my young sons have not made the choice I would want (hope) for them. It's ok, it's their choice. I love my kids despite them not being perfect in my eyes or anyone else's. while I have many prayers, hopes & dreams for my boys as they grow, I also recognize they are individuals and all I can do is provide them with knowledge and then hope and pray they make the choices which are right for them, which may be different then what I would choose. I may be (actually am sure I will be at times) disappointed in the choices they make, but I will love and support them in their individual choices because they are my boys :)
 
I think any gift associated with your child's sexuality is odd. I get that the girl wanted one, but the mom picking it out and presenting it as a gift is just creepy.
Deciding to wait to have sex is a very personal decision, whether or not its based on your faith or just because you want to wait. I think celebrating or commemorating that with a gift of jewelry is bizarre, and in the case of the Dad's Valentines Day gift to his dd, really disturbing.
As parents I think we all want our kids to wait until they are mature and in a committed relationship with a person they love and respect. I don't need to celebrate the fact that my dd (or dses) has decided that is what she wants to do to :confused3

I know right....

Frankly, I think this purity stuff "turns on" guys or attracts them. I think it is a sexual hook, esp. if you are 11.

An 11yo girl would not understand that an older male would get "turned on" to the fact the this girl is wearing a "purity ring".

Now off to shudder....yuck...:scared:

I could understand getting a purity ring at age 18 but not 11.
 
LuvinLucifer said:
I'm not sure about the ring, but Tim Tebow has said he is abstinent. At BYU male athletes have been expelled for having premarital sex. While the "boys will be boys" attitude was common in the '50s, most parents I know who want their daughters to wait want the same for their sons.

I think that most people who are into this "purity" ring stuff lose more sleep over a daughter being sullied than a son. JMHO.

Historically, it's the girl who is considered "ruined" or having lost something, or being worth less after having had sex.

The males have never have had the same pressure or negative stigmatism about remaining "pure" and never will, IMO.

We still don't really have a term for a guy that sleeps with many different women, but we have several for women who do. Or at least the terms for men aren't as bad (player vs ****, etc).

I personally despise the whole concept that having sex makes one "impure." And the emphasis on a girl having an intact hymen has, and still does lead to horrible atrocities committed on girls in the name of purity.

Sorry, but I don't want either my son or daughter believing that having sex makes them worth any less.

ETA: see the filter even removed the word for female who sleeps around while the male word was allowed in?
 
I think that most people who are into this "purity" ring stuff lose more sleep over a daughter being sullied than a son. JMHO.

Historically, it's the girl who is considered "ruined" or having lost something, or being worth less after having had sex.

The males have never have had the same pressure or negative stigmatism about remaining "pure" and never will, IMO.

We still don't really have a term for a guy that sleeps with many different women, but we have several for women who do. Or at least the terms for men aren't as bad (player vs ****, etc).

I personally despise the whole concept that having sex makes one "impure." And the emphasis on a girl having an intact hymen has, and still does lead to horrible atrocities committed on girls in the name of purity.

Sorry, but I don't want either my son or daughter believing that having sex makes them worth any less.

ETA: see the filter even removed the word for female who sleeps around while the male word was allowed in?

My daughter's term for the guys who sleep around is man*****.
 
So many parents seem so sure that their kids will feel as strongly about "waiting" or "not waiting" as they are. I have to wonder what will happen if their child does not agree with the parent when they are old enough to make that decision without pressure from others.

What will you do if your child does not want to wait until marriage?

I had one of those overly controlling religious parents who thought they had a say in my adult sex life. I kept quiet to them and nodded, and then went out and lived my own life. My mother would have told you that I agreed with her religious beliefs on the subject, when nothing could be farther than the truth. It was sad because it defined a great deal about our relationship or lack thereof.
 
Either way that one feels about the subject - This is still my take....

At some point, teens are going to make their own decisions and do things that they decide to do... etc..
Whether that is having a physical relationship,
or wearing a purity ring, etc..... Either way...

IMHO, the problem with this is that this is an 11 year old. Eleven...
Not even near being a teen yet.

And, IMHO, such strong involvement and infuence/coercion by parents and or community on personal issues with ANY child of this age... Just so VERY wrong.
Public displays about personal sexual views or actions are also problematic, IMHO.

The whole premarital sex debate is just not the issue here.
But, hey, everyone has to just get all hung up on the sex.
 
I had one of those overly controlling religious parents who thought they had a say in my adult sex life. I kept quiet to them and nodded, and then went out and lived my own life. My mother would have told you that I agreed with her religious beliefs on the subject, when nothing could be farther than the truth. It was sad because it defined a great deal about our relationship or lack thereof.

This is probably one of the best posts on this thread. :thumbsup2
No matter what your children choose, wouldn't you want an open relationship about it? Wouldn't you want your child to be able to come to you with questions, feelings, maybe even heartbreak (but hopefully not), joy? Would your child really feel comfortable doing that when you (a general you) have placed so much emphasis on this particular act? Would they fear your disappointment or even anger? I think putting that ring on and making it such an event is just setting your child up for hurt. Sure, some kids might keep the "promise" but for those who don't will they feel shame? Will they just smile and say "Of course Mom, I would never do that!" and then just walk away rolling their eyes knowing full well they are indeed doing exactly as they pleased? All while not having the support of their parents when they might really need it. I don't know, I would rather keep an open dialogue about such things and hopefully guide my children to make good choices. I wouldn't want them to feel like they couldn't come to me. JMHO. YMMV.
 
DH and I never lived together and have been married a long time. Virtually none of our close friends lived together before marriage and all of them are still married. In my family, most of the ones who lived together prior to marriage got divorced. The ones who waited to live together until marriage.....only one got divorced. Maybe it has more to do with you attitude toward marriage than whether you live together or not.

I am not a big fan of living together before marriage and hope DD does not want to do that.

OK fair enough, I just feel like for me I don't see the harm in it. What if you move in together and find out right off the bat something is major wrong or you are not compatible on some big level. Something that you could have found out if you lived together first, but I see both sides.

For me I am very glad I never got married for things did change quickly with my situation. We were just living together, but it got bad after about a year (not bad bad, but not good), 5 years later she moved out. If we would have been married, a divorce would have been just one more unpleasant thing I would have had to go through. But as you say I'm sure there are examples on both sides of the issue.
 
I know right....

Frankly, I think this purity stuff "turns on" guys or attracts them. I think it is a sexual hook, esp. if you are 11.

An 11yo girl would not understand that an older male would get "turned on" to the fact the this girl is wearing a "purity ring".

Now off to shudder....yuck...:scared:

I could understand getting a purity ring at age 18 but not 11.

Completely agree. I think it's an invitation for a creepy older guy to talk about sex with your 11 YO. Guys love a challenge.

If my 11YO made that decision, then great, but out of concern for her safety I wouldn't want her advertising it. There are lots of High School and middle schoolers who are going way further than we (I) ever did at that age. Shudders to make me think.

And while I completely agree with abstinence, I also believe in Sex Ed/Reproductive Health education. Many of my friends whose parents refused to discuss sex with them were the ones getting abortions in high school. Abstinence "education" cannot be the be-all end-all.
 
Some of you are blowing the whole idea of these rings into something they are not.

They are a symbol. Nothing more, nothing less. They do not make someone "pure" no more than owning a Bible makes someone a Christian. The ring SYMBOLIZES a promise that a girl, boy, man or woman makes to themselves and to God. With out that promise and the ideas behind it, the ring means nothing.

It has nothing to do with a girl being "sullied" if she is no longer a virgin or that she should be pure at marriage while a boy doesn't have to. Its not even about being female. Boys wear purity rings too. It IS about what the wearer believes that God wants them to do and in the Christian faith, sex should only come within the sanctity of marriage.

Saying that a kid wearing a purity ring is going to make them more likely to have unplanned sex and not know about birth control, STDs, etc. has more to do with parenting than the ring. Wearing the ring does not stop anything and so the kid still needs to be taught the same things he/she would be without the ring. The ring only symbolizes that promise.

DD does not wear a purity ring. They have been talking about the idea behind the rings in her youth group-- they are talking to ALL of the youth, not just the girls (this is 7th grade and up). She has said that she wanted to look for one. She doesn't really like the bands, but was thinking about one that has a stone in it. Its completely her choice whether to wear this ring. And actually, I did suggest to her that if she chooses to wear a symbol it doesn't even have to be a ring, she could choose a cross necklace or a bracelet. Her symbol doesn't have to be one of these mass produced rings. It is something that is personal, between her and God and that can be symbolized by anything or by nothing at all.

If the wearer is in true understanding of what the ring means and the promise behind it, it should not matter whether anyone knows what it means or not. The promise is between the wearer and God--no one else. And if the wearer is secure in his/her faith and in what he/she believes then he/she should not have any issue explaining what it means.

Our church does not plan any kind of ceremony but I know another local church that did have one. There was no father giving the daughter the ring. They had a week long class with all of the youth and the single adults. At the end of the week, the people who CHOSE to wear the ring were presented the ring at a ceremony. It was done more like a graduation ceremony with each person receiving the ring from the pastor.


With all of that said, if dd had mentioned these rings at 11; my instinct would have been to talk to someone at the church and to let her talk one on one with them. I would need to be sure she understood the promise that is behind the ring and what it truly means. Just like her baptism, its not something that I would want her to take lightly.

And BTW, this ring isn't going to keep an unmarried adult from having sex unless that is what they choose. Lightening isn't going to strike them because they break that promise or choose to no longer feel the need to keep the promise. Again, its just a symbol.


As for the peer pressure thing, almost all teens are swayed in one direction or the other by peer pressure. Heck, most adults are too. Because a teen chooses to be swayed by positive peer pressure does not mean they will go the other direction. One thing that dd has been taught by us and by the youth leaders at church is to be careful of who she surrounds herself with for this very reason. If she is surrounded by people with the same morals and values as she, then its less likely that she will do something that is not within that value system.

Wow, one day and we are already on the 11th page. As a pastor and a father I fully support Christian parents and church leaders working together to address the issue of sex with youth. Is 11 too young? It is at the lowest end I admit, but the current youth culture is far more sexualized than even my age group 20 years ago. If my sons wanted a purity ring I would fully support and encourage that.

However, as a pastor I do have a real problem with the 'true love waits' movement. I do fully believe that sex is for marriage only and sex outside of marriage corrupts that intended nature of what it is and is a sin. That said, these 'purity rings' are an attempt to co-opt the nature of a marital ring, the both the marital ring and purity ring symbolize a commitment. However, you cannot equate the two rings, because the level of committment I have to my wife is established as the precursor of the ring, not as the effect of the ring. Purity rings are a short cut to an intended goal (purity before marriage). However, unless there is comprehensive sex education, purity rings often fail. And by comprehensive, I do not mean how to use a condom. I refer to addressing the issues of 'technical virgin', respect for self and others, why it is important to wait (not just because someone says so), oral sex, dating, etc.

The purity ring only works if the decision has been prayfully and thoughtfully made so that the youth can remain strong in the face of temptation. If that has not happened, the ring wont prevent anything
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I quoted myself and the pp because until these things are understood, one is not ever going to understand the thought process behind wearing this ring.

If the ring, the teachings and the promise is not all truly done in the way it was intended and the decision is made through prayer--then it is simply a pretty ring, there is no meaning.

The promise doesn't come from coercion or controlling parents, it cannot work that way.

That's not to say that parents don't try to give their child a ring and say "here this means you will stay a virgin until you marry". I am sure there are some that do, but the meaning will not be there for the child and if a parent was going to do that then chances are the issues the child will have from having sex are not going to come from that ring but from the controlling parents in the first place.

As for as the age of the child in the OP, I would do more than just buy her a ring; but wouldn't necessarily believe her too young to make the commitment. Just as she/he would not be too young to make the decision to join the church. Its all dependent on the child and on the church staff in working with the child to make sure they understand what all goes into it.

It sounds like to me that the church the OP's child went to includes middle school in their youth group. Most of the churches I have been familiar with do not--jr. high and up and even that group may be divided in to "older youth" and "younger youth". Because this group may include kids from 11-18, the discussion may have never meant to conclude with 11 year olds buying a ring, but with them starting to think about the promise that the ring stands for.
 
Completely agree. I think it's an invitation for a creepy older guy to talk about sex with your 11 YO. Guys love a challenge.

If my 11YO made that decision, then great, but out of concern for her safety I wouldn't want her advertising it. There are lots of High School and middle schoolers who are going way further than we (I) ever did at that age. Shudders to make me think.

And while I completely agree with abstinence, I also believe in Sex Ed/Reproductive Health education. Many of my friends whose parents refused to discuss sex with them were the ones getting abortions in high school. Abstinence "education" cannot be the be-all end-all.

The problem in that instance is in the creepy older guy NOT the ring the girl is wearing. Chances are he sees the 11 year old as a challenge, regardless of any jewelry she is wearing.

I do not worry about dd being seen as "a challenge" to a boy she dates, because she will not (by HER choice, not mine) a boy that sees her that way in the first place. He has to have the same value and belief system as she does.

I do agree that abstinence cannot be taught alone. It has to a part of the whole package of discussions and lessons.
 
I think any gift associated with your child's sexuality is odd. I get that the girl wanted one, but the mom picking it out and presenting it as a gift is just creepy.
Deciding to wait to have sex is a very personal decision, whether or not its based on your faith or just because you want to wait. I think celebrating or commemorating that with a gift of jewelry is bizarre, and in the case of the Dad's Valentines Day gift to his dd, really disturbing.
As parents I think we all want our kids to wait until they are mature and in a committed relationship with a person they love and respect. I don't need to celebrate the fact that my dd (or dses) has decided that is what she wants to do to :confused3

The girl's mom wasn't celebrating anything. She asked her dd what she wanted and her dd told her. They had a long talk about it and her mom made sure her dd talked to the youth director at church and THEN she bought the ring.

The ring isn't for others, its for the wearer. Many people wear jewelry that hold special meaning that no one knows about and the meaning is only important to the person wearing it; same thing here.
 
The girl's mom wasn't celebrating anything. She asked her dd what she wanted and her dd told her. They had a long talk about it and her mom made sure her dd talked to the youth director at church and THEN she bought the ring.

The ring isn't for others, its for the wearer. Many people wear jewelry that hold special meaning that no one knows about and the meaning is only important to the person wearing it; same thing here.

You said the mom picked out a ring and gave it to her dd for her birthday. To me that is "celebrating" your child's choice to abstain. You can call it commemorating or acknowledging, or whatever you like.
And like I said, giving a gift that is associated with your child's sexuality is just odd. I would say the same of a parent who decided to get their child a gift for deciding it was time to have sex with their boy/girlfriend. Some things just don't need a present, KWIM.
I also never argued that the ring is meant for others (although when your purity ring advertises what kind of ring it is, it certainly is meant for others to see). Its the whole commemorating your choice to wait to have sex until you are married with a piece of jewelry that is odd. It just is.
 
Yes I think someone may have mentioned Tebow along with the Jonases but I was wondering if the posters who know girls in real life who have purity rings also know any boys in real life who wear purity rings? (not celebrities, people they actually know).
A few have said they encourage abstinence in boys but I haven't seen anyone post about a boy they know wearing a purity ring. I was just curious about that.


Do the girl's brothers wear the rings?
 












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