Davids DVC: Rental reimbursement or rescheduling?

Run the owner’s name through Orange County Comptroller and see if you can use that info to figure out your owners hometown from the deed:

https://www.occompt.com/services/records-search/
Hi! Thanks for posting this.. I tried it and found the deeds but I’m not seeing where I could find the owner’s location. It says their address is care of the DVD office in Celebration. Am I missing something?

ETA- I did a Google search and was able to find addresses for both my owners. Was thinking about sending a card in the mail explaining my situation (that we would like to rebook), but my boyfriend thinks I’m being super stalker-ish haha. He thinks they might be freaked out and then not want to work with us at all. What do you owners think?? Would this be weird? I have just sitting around with all this unknown, but yeah definitely don’t want to invade anyone’s privacy!
 
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Hi! Thanks for posting this.. I tried it and found the deeds but I’m not seeing where I could find the owner’s location. It says their address is care of the DVD office in Celebration. Am I missing something?

ETA- I did a Google search and was able to find addresses for both my owners. Was thinking about sending a card in the mail explaining my situation (that we would like to rebook), but my boyfriend thinks I’m being super stalker-ish haha. He thinks they might be freaked out and then not want to work with us at all. What do you owners think?? Would this be weird? I have just sitting around with all this unknown, but yeah definitely don’t want to invade anyone’s privacy!
I tried a Facebook message but so far no response. I really just wanted to let her know what was going on in this thread.
 
The rental market will dictate whether the risk is worth the saving. If most people decide it's not worth it even at substantial discount off of direct price from Disney, then the rental market will cease to exist and I will be no worse off than with a market where I as an owner takes on the risk of getting stuck with nearly worthless points.
If this happens I think availability will go back to the way it was years ago, before the rental market exploded, especially for studios. Probably the only silver-lining in this whole mess.

I know when I rent out my points myself, I have a no refunds policy, but I let the renter change their reservation within the limits of the points that I sold them. I make this very clear to them when trying to setup a reservation, and I only take personal checks.
 
I'm not an owner or a renter, but I've been following this thread. David's is losing goodwill by the minute. It's not a business that's selling a product that people desperately need, so David's is highly dependent on goodwill. Since the business is in danger of collapsing entirely anyway, wouldn't it be better to go out with good intentions? Doing everything possible to make things as right as possible for both renters and owners? Instead of trying to salvage the business while simultaneously silencing all criticisms on social media?
 

IMO you need to factor in that the credit card company has no privity (zero to do) with the contracts between the owner, dave and renter. Or between dave and owner. The credit card is only the method of renter meeting the contract obligations. That has no bearing on the question of validity of one contract or the other contract. It would mean the renter not only breached the contract but might have committed an anticipatory breach with Dave and Dave would have a cause of action against the renter.

It has no bearing on the owner and/or owner being in breach or not.
 
Hi! Thanks for posting this.. I tried it and found the deeds but I’m not seeing where I could find the owner’s location. It says their address is care of the DVD office in Celebration. Am I missing something?

ETA- I did a Google search and was able to find addresses for both my owners. Was thinking about sending a card in the mail explaining my situation (that we would like to rebook), but my boyfriend thinks I’m being super stalker-ish haha. He thinks they might be freaked out and then not want to work with us at all. What do you owners think?? Would this be weird? I have just sitting around with all this unknown, but yeah definitely don’t want to invade anyone’s privacy!
I mailed off a letter to my Owner yesterday so I definitely don't think its weird! I just explained how I got the address at the very beginning.
 
IMO you need to factor in that the credit card company has no privity (zero to do) with the contracts between the owner, dave and renter. Or between dave and owner. The credit card is only the method of renter meeting the contract obligations. That has no bearing on the question of validity of one contract or the other contract. It would mean the renter not only breached the contract but might have committed an anticipatory breach with Dave and Dave would have a cause of action against the renter.

It has no bearing on the owner and/or owner being in breach or not.
Huh??
 
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IMO you need to factor in that the credit card company has no privity (zero to do) with the contracts between the owner, dave and renter. Or between dave and owner. The credit card is only the method of renter meeting the contract obligations. That has no bearing on the question of validity of one contract or the other contract. It would mean the renter not only breached the contract but might have committed an anticipatory breach with Dave and Dave would have a cause of action against the renter.

It has no bearing on the owner and/or owner being in breach or not.
I think David’s changing the terms of the contract to give some future credit is the breach of contract and the credit card reversal is the appropriate response.

If David’s thinks he wants to sue individual renters over that, he needs to first stop advertising that he no longer intends to honor the contract as written.

Otherwise, as a renter, my attitude would be, “good luck with that and see you in court.” In the meantime, I’m gonna try to get my money back.
 
Apparently I forgot to use the 'insert quotes' button. Sorry. The point is that many posters are assuming the credit card charge back will determine what liability is and to whom. It will not. A charge back will only alter the balance of power between renters and companies like "Dave". Instead of Dave having the money the renter will have the money. Dave will lose their profit and the money the sent to owners. I would not expect any company to tolerate that at a high level. At a minimum I would expect them to run for bankruptcy and stop the charge backs. A company would also try and get money back from owners including via methods that might not be factually true. I can certainly see a company implying that the charge back 'proves' the owner needs to repay the company. This would be totally false but it is what I would expect.
 
Wow....you got a response! I did the same thing....rebooked my renters and emailed David's (twice) to update the rental contract and have never heard back from them. I'm getting frustrated.
Yes but I haven't heard from them since and it's been several days now.
 
People seem to assume that credit cards will simply hand the money back to the renters. I have done a chargeback in the past, and lost. My chargeback to a company called travelup was for airline tickets from the UK to USA. I had placed my wifes middle name by mistake in the last name box. I realised my mistake within five minutes and instantly called their helpline.
The company had not even booked the tickets with British Airways, I confirmed this, with Britiish Airways but still they refused a refund and were unwilling to correct the name for the ticket.
British Airways also confirmed to me that one call to them would allow any ticket name to be changed no problem as it was done within 24 hours and they realise mistakes do happen.
I had paid with American Express I contacted them and they started a chargeback. This means the money is temporarily placed back into your account, and accrues no interest until the credit card company have concluded their investigation.
I told Amex everything that happened with Travelup, their poor call centre service, what British Airways had told me about the fact no ticket had even been generated and if it had it could easily be changed as mistakes do happen and basically that their business model allows them to keep the considerable price of a transatlantic ticket for even the simplest of mistakes that was highlighted within minutes of the transaction.

Travelup contacted Amex, showed them their terms and conditions and after a couple of months Amex paid them the money. I was out to the tune of almost £1000 for a premium economy flight. As harsh as it was I had been stung by a bunch of crooks, but their terms and conditions said under no circumstances is the ticket changeable or refundable and they simply took the opportunity to play by these pretty rules, refusing to change any ticket details safe in the knowledge that they would eventually get to keep my money however unfair and irrespective of it would give them bad press or not.
They were able to pocket a sizeable chunk of my money for doing nothing and I had no option but to take it on the chin. Amex refused to continue any investigation or side with myself and considered the matter closed. I suggested to Amex they pay me back the money and allow Travelup to sue me. Amex were sympathetic, agreed that Travelup were behaving in a shark like manner but advised they could do no more. Should I want to go any further Amex advised I would have need to sue travelup and for £1000 with them armed with their dodgy contract I would likely be throwing good time and money after bad.

Should anyone do a chargeback, it takes about a month before David needs to even reply. Several to get it finally sorted. David will show them his contract as evidence, highlighting no refunds in any circumstances and there is a good possibility the credit card companies will agree with him.
 
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People seem to assume that credit cards will simply hand the money back to the renters. I have done a chargeback in the past, and lost. My chargeback to a company called travelup was for airline tickets from the UK to USA. I had placed my wifes middle name by mistake in the last name box. I realised my mistake within five minutes and instantly called their helpline.
The company had not even booked the tickets with British Airways, I confirmed this, with Britiish Airways but still they refused a refund and were unwilling to correct the name for the ticket.
British Airways also confirmed to me that one call to them would allow any ticket name to be changed no problem as it was done within 24 hours and they realise mistakes do happen.
I had paid with American Express I contacted them and they started a chargeback. This means the money is temporarily placed back into your account, and accrues no interest until the credit card company have concluded their investigation.
I told Amex everything that happened with Travelup, their poor call centre service, what British Airways had told me about the fact no ticket had even been generated and if it had it could easily be changed as mistakes do happen and basically that their business model allows them to keep the considerable price of a transatlantic ticket for even the simplest of mistakes that was highlighted within minutes of the transaction.

Travelup contacted Amex, showed them their terms and conditions and after a couple of months Amex paid them the money. I was out to the tune of almost £1000 for a premium economy flight. As harsh as it was I had been stung by a bunch of crooks, but their terms and conditions said under no circumstances is the ticket changeable or refundable and they simply took the opportunity to play by these pretty rules, refusing to change any ticket details safe in the knowledge that they would eventually get to keep my money however unfair and irrespective of it would give them bad press or not.
They were able to pocket a sizeable chunk of my money for doing nothing and I had no option but to take it on the chin. Amex refused to continue any investigation or side with myself and considered the matter closed. I suggested to Amex they pay me back the money and allow Travelup to sue me. Amex were sympathetic, agreed that Travelup were behaving in a shark like manner but advised they could do no more. Should I want to go any further Amex advised I would have need to sue travelup and for £1000 with them armed with their dodgy contract I would likely be throwing good time and money after bad.

Should anyone do a chargeback, it takes about a month before David needs to even reply. Several to get it finally sorted. David will show them his contract as evidence, highlighting no refunds in any circumstances and there is a good possibility the credit card companies will agree with him.
Maybe, maybe not.

I suspect each card company is going to have dozens if not hundreds of chargeback request all pointing out the the goods weren’t delivered.

Some will point out that even David’s states the contract was now void.

Some will point out that he’s no longer honoring the contracts with his travel credit scheme.

There’s power in numbers.

And. Even if the renter ultimately loses the argument, it’s still the highest percentage chance of being made whole. It’s still worth the pursuit.
 
Maybe, maybe not.

I suspect each card company is going to have dozens if not hundreds of chargeback request all pointing out the the goods weren’t delivered.

Some will point out that even David’s states the contract was now void.

Some will point out that he’s no longer honoring the contracts with his travel credit scheme.

There’s power in numbers.

And. Even if the renter ultimately loses the argument, it’s still the highest percentage chance of being made whole. It’s still worth the pursuit.

I even think the offer of the travel credit after the fact weakens his argument that it is non refundable. He is admitting to a certain degree he is changing things. Since that is not part of the contract, I am not sure it can be used to say the renter is getting something.
 
Under the circumstance IMO the offer by Daves to mitigate damages will not be seen as an admission of anything but only as an attempt to do the right thing.

If hundreds of charges are going to be at risk at two thousand dollars or more this is serious money. I don't know how much money Daves earns or has stashed but I don't expect they have the money sitting around. I expect they run for bankruptcy protection until it is sorted out.
 
I even think the offer of the travel credit after the fact weakens his argument that it is non refundable. He is admitting to a certain degree he is changing things. Since that is not part of the contract, I am not sure it can be used to say the renter is getting something.
He will state that it simply shows he is going above and beyond, it admits nothing.
 
Regardless of outcome I believe my odds are better with chargebacks than getting a vacation with a voucher. I know one of my owners that cancelled early on said they would rebook to David's in writing and nope...
 
He will state that it simply shows he is going above and beyond, it admits nothing.

I agree. In fact, it may actually get him some sympathy from CC companies. I think most CC companies encourage customers and merchants to "work out their differences" before getting them involved. While I am not sure how the voucher plan may change the opinions of CC companies, David's may just be able to convince them that he is working out a plan to deliver the "goods" he promised.

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I agree. In fact, it may actually get him some sympathy from CC companies. I think most CC companies encourage customers and merchants to "work out their differences" before getting them involved. While I am not sure how the voucher plan may change the opinions of CC companies, David's may just be able to convince them that he is working out a plan to deliver the "goods" he promised.

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In that case, filing for bankruptcy would be a double edged sword. He might stop the current bleeding but once in bankruptcy, this voucher plan would no longer hold any water as being a credible solution.

Personally, I wouldn’t take a travel voucher because I believe they are worthless. Whether David’s goes under now or in 3 month, his business model - that he’s a safety net for both owner and renter - is irreparably harmed.
 
My opinion but I think it will play a role in chargebacks. Why? Because he is unilaterally changing the terms of the contract

I think you are right that it may play a role, but he can claim he is not changing the terms of the original contract. In fact, he can say he is actually going above and beyond the original contract so that he can eventually deliver on what the customer initially paid. Will it convince the CC companies? Who knows?

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