LongLiveRafiki
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I wasn't in any way trying to indicate that the example I gave would be possible for ALL DAS users. I definitely understand that situations will vary. A DAS user may take longer to get between rides due to taking care of medical issues, may need to leave and return to the LL for medical reasons adding more time, etc. A non-DAS user may take longer to get between rides because they need to stop for restroom/get a snack, etc. It was moreso just how it could be possible for some DAS users to get on rides quicker.As to the abuse and optimization of DAS -- sure, good math exercise. I would bet that the majority of DAS holders do not stay over 6 hours at the park on any given day.
In regards to most DAS holders not staying in the parks longer than 6 hrs, that may be correct. There are plenty of non-DAS users who are unable to stay in the parks longer than 6 hrs though too, so I'm not sure why length of time an individual can spend in the parks is relevant. Not trying to be snarky there, genuinely curious why you mentioned that.
You do bring up some good points. I will say that in the past (though this was many years ago), I was given FP that could be used on most rides if a ride went down while I was in standby to compensate for that loss of time. Is that still common?Okay, that makes sense. As long as the wait times are on average fairly correct, I don't know if they will need to adjust them or not, it really depends on what the actual data says. There is a lot of talk about wait times being inflated, and it does seem that way at times (Especially late at night, which is the time I have noticed it usually a much shorter wait than posted). But there are other things which they may be accounting for.
I had both overestimated and underestimated wait times on my last trip, but I hear more people say they are overestimated. I think that is true when everything goes right. When the ride doesn't go down I feel my waits have more often than not had a shorter than advertised wait. But when rides go down? I feel we as guests sometimes can't count a lost ride as time waited in line for that ride, because it doesn't make sense if we didn't get to ride it. But over the whole day if it comes back up or over multiple visits it can make the average wait go up. They don't know when a ride will go down, so maybe they are accounting for it. If I ride Pirates one day and the wait time is 30 minutes but the wait was actually 15, but then I go to ride it again, the wait time is still 30 minutes, but I wait 15 minutes and the ride goes down and I leave line? I technically waited 30 minutes and only rode once. A 30 minute average. Does anyone really know if they include buffers like this for ride downtime? The data would decide what they would need to do with DAS timing if they remove the second line waiting ability.
If they are accounting for the average number of short downtimes for a ride during the day or baking in the possibility of a long delay, the average wait times could actually be accurate. If a ride goes down for 10 minutes during a standby queue wait, they are delayed by 10 minutes (or more if the LL gets backed up) If that ride goes down for 10 minutes during a DAS return wait but gets back up and running before their wait is up, they get to hop in LL on time and their wait is fairly unaffected. If it goes down for a long time, the standby guest leaves line and their wait is wasted. If it goes down and is down during the DAS user's return window, they may get one of the passes that allows them to return to that LL (or maybe a different ride's LL) any time later once it is back up and could allow them to book another DAS return time at that point. As long as that ride comes back up that day or they use a pass at a different ride, that DAS user is somewhat insulated from rides going down. The standby guest is not.
What you brought up though with factoring in predicted down times could explain why standby wait times seem inflated (if Disney is actually factoring that in).
That's a good point as well and also could make it appear that standby waits are inflated if they are factoring that in to their calculations (no idea if they do or not).Here’s my question…if several DAS users request a return time, does the standby wait time go up?! Or is it only if people are physically standing in the line? Bc to me that has ramifications to both the standby line and the lightening lane. If 10 parties of DAS (currently 6 people) all request a return time for 10am at big thunder that is the equivalent of 60 people getting in line right before you. Is the standby time being adjusted to account for those 60 people who will then go through the lightening lane before you? Just something to think about!
Disney isn't saying that "autism and similar" are the only issues that will be accommodated. Others will just be accommodated in ways other than DAS. ADA only requires accommodation, not an individual's preferred accommodation. IF (not saying it will in all instances) rider swap, leave the line, and any other accommodations Disney hasn't yet announced are able to accommodate an individual, then Disney is not obligated to provide DAS to that individual just because DAS is offered to others with different needs.I find it totally unfair to have Autism-like maladies as the only acceptable DAS category.
I think Disney is setting themselves up for opening a can of worms. And I hope they are. There HAS to be a better way than only one acceptable problem.