Curbing the Negativity

[Reddog1134]

I get what you're saying, but you need to understand, you're in the minority in terms of how you tour the park.

I didn't see the OP mention how they tour the park. However, if you're saying the "majority" are the DISers that don't like the new system, you're most likely incorrect. They would actually be a small minority.

The majority would be the millions of people who visit Disney once in their lives and probably used old FP very little or not at all.

 

[sonofanarchy]

I didn't see the OP mention how they tour the park. However, if you're saying the "majority" are the DISers that don't like the new system, you're most likely incorrect. They would actually be a small minority.

The majority would be the millions of people who visit Disney once in their lives and probably used old FP very little or not at all.

Let me rephrase that - The majority of WDW veterans who have visited during busy times and can use common sense and simple math don't like the new system.

 

[stinkpickle]

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The majority would be the millions of people who visit Disney once in their lives and probably used old FP very little or not at all.

Indeed. Sadly, most folks won't know what they missed and will therefore not complain.

 

[peyjax]

I am not sure why it is allowed to continue, but it makes me sad to see what the DIS is becoming.

There is still a current of positivity here and I am hoping it can take root and grow. So, from now on I will post my thoughts when/if I want to. I warn you all now...they tend to be glass-half-full, postive, bright side kind of thoughts. (After a health scare a few years ago it is hard for me to be any other way.) If someone wants to call me out or react negatively to what I have to say that is fine. It is their right. I will not, however, be responding to them. I haven't blocked anyone, nor do I intend to do so. I just won't be responding. I encourage anyone else who feels as I do to do the same.

The Disney parks have always been a wonderful place for us to vacation, spend time together, enjoy the legacy of Disney and just be. They will continue to do so with MM+ because we choose to make it so. We actually like the program, but for those that don't I encourage you to stop complaining and try to see the bright side. You are only affecting your own enjoyment of a place that you love and that's a shame.

I see you came on a bit before I did, but in 2007 it was negative then too. Boy do I remember reading here for my first trip with the DIS. I had been to Disney several times without using chat boards. Then I had my first trip with all the insider info. It was too much. All the negativity was too much for me and it greatly affected my trip. I saw things I had never seen before and noticed things I would have never dreamed about. Yep I read it here first! In reality it was a bit disheartening.

My point being is there was negativity there then too and I did not know how to skim past it. I soaked it all up. In time I learned to take away the info I needed and leave the rest alone. Let the people vent who needed to vent. Discuss the changing business side of Disney ( which you can not deny is changing rapidly) and still enjoy my little bit of Disney for the day should I say week !

 

[sonofanarchy]

I agree also. We're all so blessed to have an opportunity to go to Walt Disney World. Not everyone is able to go and there are thousands of people that die everyday and never had an opportunity. Yes, there are bad things that happen and much to complain about concerning Disney, i.e. increasing prices, crowds, rude people, but we're still blessed and should be thankful.

Hoping everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving!

Ugh, posts like this.

Sure, in the BIG scheme of things, this is nothing. In fact, NOTHING to do with Disney means anything. However, this is a Disney message board and all things, good and bad, are going to be posted here about Disney.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Plenty of positive threads (from just today, even!)

WDW wasting all their money on "My Magic". I don't think so.

Just got back and it was amazing! re MagicBands

how did you surprise your kids?

It's all about what you choose to read.

ITA

TBH, I feel more "negativity" from those who are complaining about the complainers than I do from those who express concerns about FP+

 

[BlueStarryHat]

I go next week. If my experience is positive, I'll post it, but if my experience is negative I'll post that, too. I actually think it'll be somewhere in the middle of those two scenarios.

People who are posting in "negative" threads are entitled to their opinion, just like people who post in "positive" threads are. You have the freedom to pick and choose what you read. I'm not knocking your opinion notice, OP. To me, *that's* the problem around here, NOT the so called "negative" threads. It's people who differ in opinions telling each other how wrong they are when the fact is NOBODY is wrong. That's why you're never going to get a consensus here. "You're wrong, Kool-Aid drinker!" "No, *you're* wrong, Doomsayer!" is what's going on to make it nasty and it makes it harder to read the reasonable opinions on BOTH sides.

 

[ArwenMarie]

The Disney parks have always been a wonderful place for us to vacation, spend time together, enjoy the legacy of Disney and just be. They will continue to do so with MM+ because we choose to make it so. We actually like the program, but for those that don't I encourage you to stop complaining and try to see the bright side. You are only affecting your own enjoyment of a place that you love and that's a shame.

This is just your opinion. You don't know that is true for other people.

For myself, I can talk about the things I don't like about MB or FP+ or the parks and still go to to WDW and have a great time. In fact, I just did, last week The day that I don't have a great time anymore is the day I will stop going there.

On the other hand, I can understand that some people don't want to read the negative stuff. So then they shouldn't read it. There is nothing making anyone click into a thread. Certainly this entire board (not just this sub-board) has tons of positive stuff too.

 

[Mad Hattered]

Are you saying that because you agree with the original comment, or because it is the classic example of negativity and not respecting other people's viewpoints?

To me, it's the latter.

 

[Haley]

I dunno - I like to see differing opinions/debates etc. - makes things more interesting. Some will be negative.

I've been a member of a Disney board that was only positive/sweet/cutesy and it was boring honestly.

It's like comparing the Birnbaum's Disney book which is only positive and says everything is amazing to the Unofficial Guide which tells it like it is - the latter is a much more interesting read.

 

[ArwenMarie]

I dunno - I like to see differing opinions/debates etc. - makes things more interesting. Some will be negative.

I've been a member of a Disney board that was only positive/sweet/cutesy and it was boring honestly.

It's like comparing the Birnbaum's Disney book which is only positive and says everything is amazing to the Unofficial Guide which tells it like it is - the latter is a much more interesting read.

I agree, I like the discussion and debate when it doesn't get personal.

And I know that some people only want to read the happy happy stuff and I respect that too.

Different strokes for different folks

 

[Angel Ariel]

For myself, I can talk about the things I don't like about MB or FP+ or the parks and still go to to WDW and have a great time. In fact, I just did, last week The day that I don't have a great time anymore is the day I will stop going there.

ITA Voicing concerns (or "negativity") here didn't affect my October trip at all. I had a fantastic time with my family.

 

[KevinCG316]

You unintentionally made a negative post as well (with some positive). Just another Disboards post.

 

[RocketEAR99]

My main issue isn't necessarily the negativity, but the extremes, absolutes and exaggerations involved with it in many instances.

First I notice with MM+ in particular, many people are blasting it without having even tried it out. MM+ isn't the first to come under fire like this, but every time there is a major change, this is how it goes until the next major change occurs, then the fury of the previous ones are [mostly] forgotten.

Second is that so many things people don't like are the "worst thing/place/idea ever!" and the, "because of _______ my trip will be/was terrible!" That kind of seems like self-fulfilling prophecy.

Besides, Disney doesn't just change something because they feel like it. They analyze things to see what will please the majority of consumers like any good business. The changes they make are based on hard data that many people will like what they're doing (and they're usually right).

I won't sit here and say everything about Disney is the best thing ever (that, also, would be an absolute), but I will say that I've found that a good Disney trip is what you make it, no matter what Disney does. Go in with a positive attitude (or at least have no expectations) and the odds are good you'll enjoy your trip overall. Become negative and how can you expect to have a good time? It's not just Disney that makes my trips so enjoyable, but I go into every trip looking for fun experiences and because of that, even my worst trip was still quite fun!

 

[ArwenMarie]

Go in with a positive attitude (or at least have no expectations) and the odds are good you'll enjoy your trip overall. Become negative and how can you expect to have a good time? It's not just Disney that makes my trips so enjoyable, but I go into every trip looking for fun experiences and because of that, even my worst trip was still quite fun!

This is your opinion.

I can read or say negative things about this or that regarding WDW and still have a great time when I get there. As I said, just did last week.

Yet, I understand that some people don't work like that, and that's cool too.

 

[maddiebee]

I just think its great that we've all moved on from discussing FP+, to discussing the discussing of FP+.

 

[Mrs. Ciz]

The more I think about this the more I realize these posts are NOT about people's attitudes. There are both positive (glass half full) and negative (glass half empty) people in the world. That much is true but when it comes to FP+ the people who like it and people who don't like it are waaaaay more influenced by their experiences than by their personality traits.

The relaxed, sleep in, travel in off peak times, don't really use FP person likes FP+ because with FP+ they are getting more than what they are used to getting. To them it is an upgrade.

The super planner, rope dropper, uber FP user, mulitple ride rider (like me) does not like FP+ because compared to what they are used to doing/getting/riding FP+ gives them less. It is a big down grade.

I am a glass half full type, but I don't like downgrades!

It has nothing to do with a my personality or attitude and everything to do with my past experiences.

 

[Bullseye]

I just think its great that we've all moved on from discussing FP+, to discussing the discussing of FP+.

So funny and true

 

[baileybrad]

ITA

TBH, I feel more "negativity" from those who are complaining about the complainers than I do from those who express concerns about FP+

Agree with you 100%.

The type of responses are so condecending and off topic when folks express concerns, shortcomings, or report back with experiences about FP+ that do not fall into the Disney party line. In no particular order:

a) It is still undergoing testing. You have to wait to give a real opinion.
b) If you don't like it, then do not visit.
c) IF what you said is true (like of course the person is lying about their trip)
d) Most people do not tour like that.
e) You should just be thankful you are alive and healthy and get to go to Disney.
f) Now you don't have to run (who runs?) to use FP
g) You should stay on-site (like everybody can afford to do that).
h) We are not really attraction people (okay).
i) You should just be thankful that you can afford to go to Disney.
j) Lots of people do not even know about FP.
k) We never use FP.
l) Why does someone want to experience an attraction more than once.
m) We will be back next year.
n) We don't mind waiting in long lines.
o) It gives you the opportunity to spend time with your family waiting in line.
p) We get to sleep in now so it is not an issue with us.
q) We go during the less busy times so we are not affected.
r) I am sure that Disney would not do something bad for any of us.
s) You are just being negative.
t) The system before was not fair to us because we couldn't pick our times.
u) Nobody call pull that many FPs.
v) Why does anyone need that many FPs?
w) We are just happy to sit on a bench and people watch.
x) We are fine just being at Disney.
y) Disney is a business.
z) It gives everybody a chance at FP+s (ignoring the non-resort guests, AP holders,tiering, etc.)
1) You should just have a positive attitude.


I am being completely honest that I have seen all of the above responses being thrown out by various DIS folk as real responses to why FP+ is a good thing.

But back to the OPs point.

The most important reason that people who have taken issue with FP+ and its impacts on their families...........

we are just mean spirited people. Well, okay then, you got us all figured out.

 

[Shaden]

That's the problem. Most people don't see the bright side because there isn't one. Sure, the MM technology is cool, and as I've said several times, if it were used and Fastpass was left alone, nobody would have a word to say about it.

I get what you're saying, but you need to understand, you're in the minority in terms of how you tour the park. And you're also going off the system not fully into place with all the restrictions that are coming. Once it is tiered, and regular FP's are gone, and you can't use FP in more than 1 park in the same day, you'll probably have a difference of opinion.

It's just not one of those situations where you can say "Hey, you're at Disney. It's great no matter what!!" I used to feel that way, and I really try not to be negative, but FP+ is just such a crappy downgrade for the way we (and most families) tour the parks, there's just no silver lining to this one.

^^^^^^
This, exactly This.

Are you saying that because you agree with the original comment, or because it is the classic example of negativity and not respecting other people's viewpoints?

To me, it's the latter.

I am saying I agree 100% with SonsofAnarchy

because he is right, because he applies just a smidge of analysis to the system, that's all it takes.

You can still like it, but you can't pretend its something that its not, or generally put caveats around almost everything you "like" about the system.