Cruise Ship Disappearance

[snarlingcoyote]

I've known several bi-polar folks. When they get in a certain state they can get very, very mean and nasty. You know it's just the bi-polar and not THEM, but still. At a certain point, it's very hard to just walk away from them and not do something vile or say something vile in return. And when the person is someone who knows you well enough to hurt you badly that makes it much worse.

The headbutting? If the woman was manic and not taking her meds and got angry and lashed out at her DH he might have done something he would later regret. And honestly we don't know the circumstances, she might well have started the physical confrontation in some way. (Yes, I have been pushed so far by someone who was bi-polar that I, for my own sanity, locked them out of my life. You don't want to know what this person did. It was vile and nasty and cruel and mean and I forgave the individual but the wound is still healing. The individual in question had gone off her meds, and while intensely regretful and apologetic when sane later, still hurt me badly.)

So if she was that sort of person when manic and her DH was able to try to see past that to the real person in her and work with her and do his best by her? Well, her family might well have been intensely grateful to him and liked him a great deal.

Now, I also hate to say this, but if she'd been in a bad state prior to her suicide, there might be a strong sense of relief even when mingled with sorrow. . .

 

[chisnpeke]

I've known several bi-polar folks. When they get in a certain state they can get very, very mean and nasty. You know it's just the bi-polar and not THEM, but still. At a certain point, it's very hard to just walk away from them and not do something vile or say something vile in return. And when the person is someone who knows you well enough to hurt you badly that makes it much worse.

The headbutting? If the woman was manic and not taking her meds and got angry and lashed out at her DH he might have done something he would later regret. And honestly we don't know the circumstances, she might well have started the physical confrontation in some way. (Yes, I have been pushed so far by someone who was bi-polar that I, for my own sanity, locked them out of my life. You don't want to know what this person did. It was vile and nasty and cruel and mean and I forgave the individual but the wound is still healing. The individual in question had gone off her meds, and while intensely regretful and apologetic when sane later, still hurt me badly.)

So if she was that sort of person when manic and her DH was able to try to see past that to the real person in her and work with her and do his best by her? Well, her family might well have been intensely grateful to him and liked him a great deal.

Now, I also hate to say this, but if she'd been in a bad state prior to her suicide, there might be a strong sense of relief even when mingled with sorrow. . .

My dad is bi-polar and it has essentially prevented me from having a relationship with him. He has said very hurtful things and I know it's not really him but it was wearing me down to hear the hurtful things over and over and over. My mom said he had threatened to kill himself many times. He obviously never went through with it but many do.

 

[OceanAnnie]

What I read said he had done that to another woman--not sure if it was a former girlfriend or wife. I didn't read that it had happened to this woman. Anyone know for sure?

Now there is also a crewmember from a Carnival ship that has gone overboard and is being looked for. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,474848,00.html

But for someone that said they wouldn't go on a cruise because of the fear of going overboard--these things happen on land also. A woman just fell off her hotel balcony and fell 16 stories and died, right near Disney.http://www.wftv.com/news/18387413/detail.html

I know I read he headbutted his wife by holding her wrists and headbutting her in the head. I can't find the article right now, but I did a quick search and found an article where it stated he headbutted his wife and went into a "pretrial diversion program".

ETA- It looks like she dropped the case.

 

[OceanAnnie]

I've known several bi-polar folks. When they get in a certain state they can get very, very mean and nasty. You know it's just the bi-polar and not THEM, but still. At a certain point, it's very hard to just walk away from them and not do something vile or say something vile in return. And when the person is someone who knows you well enough to hurt you badly that makes it much worse.

The headbutting? If the woman was manic and not taking her meds and got angry and lashed out at her DH he might have done something he would later regret. And honestly we don't know the circumstances, she might well have started the physical confrontation in some way. (Yes, I have been pushed so far by someone who was bi-polar that I, for my own sanity, locked them out of my life. You don't want to know what this person did. It was vile and nasty and cruel and mean and I forgave the individual but the wound is still healing. The individual in question had gone off her meds, and while intensely regretful and apologetic when sane later, still hurt me badly.)

So if she was that sort of person when manic and her DH was able to try to see past that to the real person in her and work with her and do his best by her? Well, her family might well have been intensely grateful to him and liked him a great deal.

Now, I also hate to say this, but if she'd been in a bad state prior to her suicide, there might be a strong sense of relief even when mingled with sorrow. . .

That's a lot of "ifs". A lot of unknowns. It seems like more "benefit" is given to the husband than the wife. IMO there is no excuse for headbutting a person.

 

[bzzelady]

They should be able to trace his movements on the ship not only by security camera (supposedly there are 1100 cameras on that ship), but by the keycard for the door. Since it is a new ship, these should be electronic and they do keep a record of when the cards were used. It could place him in the room at the time of the event but it could also cast reasonable doubt if his statements don't check out.

 

[lovetoscrap]

I know I read he headbutted his wife by holding her wrists and headbutting her in the head. I can't find the article right now, but I did a quick search and found an article where it stated he headbutted his wife and went into a "pretrial diversion program".

ETA- It looks like she dropped the case.

I was mistaken-- I did find an article that says that this woman was the one involved in the domestic violence/headbutting-- and she did drop the charges.

For the husband's sake I hope they can find him on video cameras somewhere else on the ship when she was seen falling.

 

[BaxFam]

The story is very sad!
I agree that these types of accidents, falling, jumping, missing, etc can happen on any type of vacation land or sea, it just seems that ever since that story about the groom falling overboard and the wife seemed shady, there have been a lot more of these accidents.

I read one story where a 16 yr old girl from England was served too much alcohol, was vomiting off her balcony and fell over. How very tragic!

I also hope they can verify the husbands whereabouts.

Message here is BE SAFE during all types of traveling!