Cruise and Holmes settle Divorce...

[Tiger926]

I think it is very difficult to make a marriage work if two people have very different core belief systems. Scientology and Catholic are probably about as different as you could get.

Combine that with the speculations floating about:
1. She knows something about him that could be ruinous
2. They had a 5 year deal
3. The kid's not his

..and I could see why they'd want it over quickly and quietly.

I was always kind of leery of him not being able to father children with his 2 other wives, but suddenly Katie was pregnant before their marriage. They lucked out insofar as Suri looks like her mother. But what if she had been born not looking like her mother and not looking like Tom Cruise????

There'd be some 'splainin' to do Lucy......

In any event, I hope they can co-parent well for the child's sake, and that she can grow up relatively normally...

As I said in the other thread, I don't get why people automatically assume that everyone wants to biologically have children? Just because Tom and Nicole didn't have biological children, doesn't mean they couldn't have any or that Tom is sterile? What if they decided they wanted to adopt? What if one of them had a medical issue that cleared up later? Maybe Tom and Katie did IVF or something, as Tom can't biologically father children - whose business is that besides the two of them?

And I happen to think that Suri does look like Tom a lot.

Tiger

 

[jen0610]

True. We may not know the details of the deal. However, to reach and close one - within 2 weeks time - is pretty impressive by Hollywood standards.

This has to be an all time record. The only reason that I could see the need for such a quick resolution and getting that outcomes, is Katie has dirt, she stated what it would take to keep that under wraps and Tom agrees quickly so as to move on and try and get this put behind him.

I do believe that he loves and adores Suri, BUT the quickness of this was self serving to his needs, not hers or Katies. He had no issue dragging Nicole thru the wringer when their divorce was his idea. But let it be someone with the control and he wanted it settled and settled fast.

 

[joviroxx]

And that makes 3 divorces for Cruise. Maybe he's just gotten good and ending them....

 

[jen0610]

As I said in the other thread, I don't get why people automatically assume that everyone wants to biologically have children? Just because Tom and Nicole didn't have biological children, doesn't mean they couldn't have any or that Tom is sterile? What if they decided they wanted to adopt? What if one of them had a medical issue that cleared up later? Maybe Tom and Katie did IVF or something, as Tom can't biologically father children - whose business is that besides the two of them?

And I happen to think that Suri does look like Tom a lot.

Tiger

That point would only work IF it wasn't common information that Nicole wanted kids - BADLY. And Tom couldn't give them to her. Didn't take much for Nicole and Keith to have not one, but two babies.

The only part of Suri that looks like Tom, is the dark hair, but wait a minute both Josh Hartnett and Chris Klein have dark hair. And it is fact that she had ties to both of them in the months just before Tom and she "fell in love".

 

[goofyernmost]

Taking into account that I would be hard pressed to care one way of the other about Tom and Katie or anybody and anybody else, all I can say is this thread tops the list of weird. Why does anyone care...do you know either of them personally?

 

[crashbb]

That point would only work IF it wasn't common information that Nicole wanted kids - BADLY. And Tom couldn't give them to her. Didn't take much for Nicole and Keith to have not one, but two babies.

Well, it took a surrogate (at least for one of those two babies).

 

[Traveliz]

That point would only work IF it wasn't common information that Nicole wanted kids - BADLY. And Tom couldn't give them to her. Didn't take much for Nicole and Keith to have not one, but two babies.

The only part of Suri that looks like Tom, is the dark hair, but wait a minute both Josh Hartnett and Chris Klein have dark hair. And it is fact that she had ties to both of them in the months just before Tom and she "fell in love".

Nicolle Kidman has publicly talked about her infertility struggles with both Tom Cruise and Keith Urban. I know at least one of the children that Nicolle has with Keith was carried by a surrogate which leads me to believe that pregnancy and/or gestation are difficult for her.

Liz

 

[joviroxx]

Taking into account that I would be hard pressed to care one way of the other about Tom and Katie or anybody and anybody else, all I can say is this thread tops the list of weird. Why does anyone care...do you know either of them personally?

Ah, its a slow day for me! But c'mon now, THIS thread tops the weird on the DIS? Oh, I can think of much much more weird LOL! But ya cared enough to post

 

[bettymae1121]

I don't follow celebs much, but what could Katie have on Tom that would ruin him? Can't be sexual orintation, no one really cares about that anymore in Hollywood. His religion isn't mainstream but people don't really care much about that, either, as long as the religion in question doesn't require human sacrifice or something like that. So what on earth could she "have" on him that would make him give up his child without a fight?

Tom films on location often enough that it might just make more sense to give Katie custody and he can fly in and visit any time he wants. Why spend millions in a divorce when that's how things might wind up anyway, even if they were given joint? It is possible that they are both just acting like grown ups and in the best interests of all involved.

 

[Lehuaann]

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[jen0610]

Nicolle Kidman has publicly talked about her infertility struggles with both Tom Cruise and Keith Urban. I know at least one of the children that Nicolle has with Keith was carried by a surrogate which leads me to believe that pregnancy and/or gestation are difficult for her.

Liz

From what I understood, Tom couldn't get her pregnant - natural or IVF. Once your sterile, you ain't making any babies. With Keith, she could get pregnant just that she had an issue with gestation. So, they used a gestational carrier. Surrogate and gestational carrier, there are very distinct differences. So, yes Nicole and Keith could get pregnant. Tom and Nicole, couldn't.

 

[Tinker'n'Fun]

My reason for posting was the two week factor. My husband's divorce was uncontested, only one lawyer, no disagreements on anything and still took almost a year to complete.

Yes, I realize that Tom/Katie just signed the papers to agree on the conditions and that they are still married until a judge grants those papers, but even with a great legal team, Tom had to agree to everything for that paperwork to exchange hands and get signed by all parties.

And my thread is the strangest in Dis history. Nope even strollers are stranger than this!

 

[Tiger926]

That point would only work IF it wasn't common information that Nicole wanted kids - BADLY. And Tom couldn't give them to her. Didn't take much for Nicole and Keith to have not one, but two babies.

The only part of Suri that looks like Tom, is the dark hair, but wait a minute both Josh Hartnett and Chris Klein have dark hair. And it is fact that she had ties to both of them in the months just before Tom and she "fell in love".

She has also spoken about her infertility struggles and she used a surrogate for her 1st child with Urban, I think?

She has also spoken about her miscarriage at the time of the divorce filing of which Tom has never spoken of it. The rumour was that she had an affair, and that may be why he abruptly ended like he did?

Well, it took a surrogate (at least for one of those two babies).

Nicolle Kidman has publicly talked about her infertility struggles with both Tom Cruise and Keith Urban. I know at least one of the children that Nicolle has with Keith was carried by a surrogate which leads me to believe that pregnancy and/or gestation are difficult for her.

Liz

to both posts!

I don't follow celebs much, but what could Katie have on Tom that would ruin him? Can't be sexual orintation, no one really cares about that anymore in Hollywood. His religion isn't mainstream but people don't really care much about that, either, as long as the religion in question doesn't require human sacrifice or something like that. So what on earth could she "have" on him that would make him give up his child without a fight?

Tom films on location often enough that it might just make more sense to give Katie custody and he can fly in and visit any time he wants. Why spend millions in a divorce when that's how things might wind up anyway, even if they were given joint? It is possible that they are both just acting like grown ups and in the best interests of all involved.

Exactly what I have been saying. They seem to be acting like mature and responsible adults, and that is the right way to act.

Wasn't he just bragging in a June magazine about how much he loved her? He seemed to worship the ground she walked on. Who knows, this may have just came down to religious beliefs. Perhaps she made an ultimatum...and he chose religion.

The divorce with Kidman appeared downright brutal: two months after renewing their wedding vows...miscarriage...she even lost her kids in the process.

To close a deal within 2 weeks must be like a dream for Katie.

But that is my point...he seemed to really love her, and maybe you are right, he did choose religion?

The divorce with Kidman says to me that he found out something about her that was a dealbreaker for him. He has always shown to be a gentleman with fans and staff, but then that divorce happened, and in every article I read he says something to the effect that, "...she knows why it happened."

I realize that Tom's beliefs are scary for many people, but he may not be the villain that so many put him out to be. Sure he has had 3 divorces, and that could be for many reasons: wrong choice in mate, religious differences, affair, etc.

I just don't believe that it is all Tom. From all accounts, Katie has been planning this for a year: new Elle cover in which she speaks about starting anew, new movie in which she wrote and is starring as a single mom, apartment in NY, etc. She fell for him 4 weeks after breaking off her engagement to another man, was engaged within 8 weeks of breaking up an engagement to another man, and was pregnant within 5 months of breaking up with another man. She fell hard...and so she knew what she was getting into as a 27 year old woman. Perhaps he is controlling, religion, etc., and she wouldn't really have known this as they were engaged within a few weeks of meeting.

Their whole relationship started in a frenzy, and has ended the same way, and so I don't think that is all Tom's doing, Tiger

 

[Heidict]

I realize that Tom's beliefs are scary for many people, but he may not be the villain that so many put him out to be. Sure he has had 3 divorces, and that could be for many reasons: wrong choice in mate, religious differences, affair, etc.

Nope, scary is not the word I would use to describe what he believes in. This relates my feelings towards it much better then words.

 

[PaulaSB12]

IDK...would it be better if religion "S" wasn't brought up? As weird as I find it - it IS a religion and people have a right to believe it.

Anyways - the other threads seemed to get locked when it was overly discussed...

A religion its not its a cult, seperates children from family, attacks members who leave, is more about taking money, doesn't let children have any sort of a real education so they can stop them having a life out of it, one billion year contracts that aint a religion that is a cult.

 

[Tiger926]

A religion its not its a cult, seperates children from family, attacks members who leave, is more about taking money, doesn't let children have any sort of a real education so they can stop them having a life out of it, one billion year contracts that aint a religion that is a cult.

We aren't allowed to discuss religion on here, but as someone with a minor in religious studies, there are many people who believe that all religions are cults.

Katie knew this when she got together with him, so not sure how she thought she could change his beliefs, if indeed they were a problem for her, as is being reported?

Not much foresight, as they got together and were engaged and pregnant within a few months of meeting. Not sure what she thought would happen if she had a child with someone who is very involved in his religion?

Tiger

 

[PaulaSB12]

Maybe they truly love and respect one another as parents of Suri, and wanted to get things settled as soon as possible.

I know so many on here think it's because Tom has things to hide, but I honestly think it shows that he does care about Katie if indeed this divorce has been settled so quickly.

Honestly, he's the richest actor out there, so does he really need to pay lawyers thousands of dollars per hour to fight over patio furniture and vehicles?

I think this shows that both of them had Suri as their main priority.

Tiger

This has nothing about being adult or having Suri as their main priority this has something to do with some dirt she has between the boss of scientology and Tom otherwise how come we have gone from this
http://www.mtv.co.uk/news/tom-cruis...atie-holmes-divorce-california-custody-battle
Tom Cruise is reportedly gearing up to fight Katie Holmes for custody of their daughter Suri.

According to US gossip site Radar Online, Cruise plans to file for divorce in California in a bid to ensure Holmes doesn't get sole custody of the six year old.

Former Dawson's Creek star Katie filed papers in New York last week but US reports suggest Tom - who was said to be 'blindsided' by the move - will try to have the proceedings moved to California.

According to the report, the divorce can only take place in New York if either the marriage occurred there or the spouse has been living there continuously for a year before filing.

A source told Radar Online: "[Cruise] will file a response in New York, asking that the divorce proceedings be halted in the Big Apple because California is the proper venue for the matter to proceed.

"Team Cruise is going to assert that Katie doesn't meet the residency requirements to file in New York, and that both live full time in California, specifically Los Angeles."

The insider added: "At the same time, Tom will file for divorce in California and will request joint custody of Suri.

"There is absolutely no way that he is going to let Katie have sole custody. The lines are being drawn and this is going to shape up to be a very contentious custody battle."

Meanwhile the Church of Scientology has denied reports suggesting officials have been tailing Katie Holmes.

US website TMZ had reported that Katie feared she had been under surveillance since the split, believing Scientologists had hired private detectives to spy on her.

But the church released a statement via the site stating that the reports are false.
2nd July to
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ent-closed-doors--gets-sole-custody-Suri.html

Katie Holmes' lawyer has confirmed her highly-publicised divorce with Tom Cruise has been settled, as reports emerge she will have 'sole custody' of their six-year-old daughter Suri.
It seems the couple have reached an agreement out of court, meaning the actor's beloved Scientology is no longer at risk of scrutiny with the religion's secrets being dissected during a trial.
Jonathan Wolfe said: 'This case has been settled and the agreement has been signed.'
Speaking to TMZ, he added: 'We are thrilled for Katie and her family and are excited to watch as she embarks on the next chapter of her life.

Life in the spotlight: As she released a joint statement with estranged husband Tom Cruise regarding the dissolution of their marriage, and her lawyer confirmed a settlement, Katie Holmes seemed to be in high spirits
'We thank Tom's counsel for their professionalism and diligence that helped bring about this speedy resolution'.
A separate source also revealed that Suri will remain with Katie, and will be accompanied by her own team of bodyguards when she visits father Tom to ensure she won't be indoctrinated into Scientology.

'It was a carefully planned ambush': Katie Holmes 'fired Tom Cruise's daughter Bella from her clothing company two months ago'
The insider told Radar: 'Katie insisted that Suri's nanny and bodyguards always accompany her when she visits Tom... This will ensure a smooth and easy transition for Suri when she is with Tom.
'Suri is Katie's number one priority. Tom only has Scientologists that work for him and Katie insisted that her staff will always be with their daughter.
'Under terms of the settlement, Suri isn't permitted to be exposed to anything Scientology related and this includes going to any Scientology churches, parties, etc. Katie made sure that this was ironclad.'
Fingers began pointing even before reasons of their split came to surface.
And earlier today, the rumours circulating their difference in religious opinion, notably the Cocktail actor's rigid Scientology beliefs, appear to have been confirmed in a joint statement from the couple.


Now 7 days ago he wanted the divorce to be done in California and he wanted joint custody he has now given her everything she wanted. She has major dirt on them its the only logical conclusion.

 

[Tiger926]

Now 7 days ago he wanted the divorce to be done in California and he wanted joint custody he has now given her everything she wanted. She has major dirt on them its the only logical conclusion.

I don't really buy it. It's 2012. What in the world could she have on him? He is Tom Cruise with a ton of money, of which if there was something, he just proved his money can fix that mighty quickly.

Maybe after 3 divorces, he's had enough?

Regardless, I don't believe any of the media, as none of them, nor us are in that relationship. The media is fashioning stories and changing them by the day. There are so many "sources" that it's laughable at this point.

Their divorce seems to be finalized, end of story. Tom is free to go about his business, as is Katie, as two single people who seem to have committed to co-parenting their daughter in a positive way.

Tiger

 

[izzy]

My thoughts were:

The marriage was at the end of its contractual length

The dissolution of said contract was clearly spelled out in terms agreed upon by both parties at the initial signing of the contract

Tom was fighting some aspect of what he had agreed to in the contract related to the dissolution of the marriage

Katie threatened to come forward with Scientology stuff if Tom didn't back off

Scientology folks told Tom not to fight it because they didn't want their scary practices brought into the media spotlight

Voila! Divorce in two weeks, wrapped up nice and tidy since all of the details had been worked out years ago.

Sadly, I've given this way too much thought, but it's hard not to when CNN considers it breaking news and sends me an email that Katie has filed for divorce from Tom.

 

[PaulaSB12]

I don't really buy it. It's 2012. What in the world could she have on him? He is Tom Cruise with a ton of money, of which if there was something, he just proved his money can fix that mighty quickly.

Maybe after 3 divorces, he's had enough?

Regardless, I don't believe any of the media, as none of them, nor us are in that relationship. The media is fashioning stories and changing them by the day. There are so many "sources" that it's laughable at this point.

Their divorce seems to be finalized, end of story. Tom is free to go about his business, as is Katie, as two single people who seem to have committed to co-parenting their daughter in a positive way.

Tiger

Tom Cruise rumours of being gay, boss of scientology with missing maybe imprisoned wife. Head of scientology missing possibly dead what on earth would they want to hide?