Crowd Outlook

[fatmanatee]

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but this is all new to me.
It appears that the 2015-2019 MK numbers are in the 20M range.
So, we're looking at a 7-8K less guests per day compared to 6 years ago?

Yep, by design.

 

[BayTower2010]

The numbers are very interesting. All four WDW had an increase in attendance, yes very small increase but still an increase. Whereas Universal Florida had a decrease. So for many on these forums with the Universal is over taking Disney, not so fast. Cannot wait for the rationalization crowd to down play the hard numbers. My family (ages 70 to 8) went to the new Universal Park and the collective review was a collective yawn--nice but not great (or even all that good). And for the anger at Disney costs, quite frankly Universal was more expensive.

 

[J-Dog]

The numbers are very interesting. All four WDW had an increase in attendance, yes very small increase but still an increase. Whereas Universal Florida had a decrease. So for many on these forums with the Universal is over taking Disney, not so fast. Cannot wait for the rationalization crowd to down play the hard numbers. My family (ages 70 to 8) went to the new Universal Park and the collective review was a collective yawn--nice but not great (or even all that good). And for the anger at Disney costs, quite frankly Universal was more expensive.

I agree. The knee-jerk reactionary Facebook (or even Dis boards) comment for someone who is irritated at Disney/Disney's cost/Disney's "pricing out the middle class"/etc., is to say "I'm done with Disney! I'm going to Univeral from now on." Sometimes they will even add "and everyone I know is doing the same thing!"

For 2024-25 anyway, this comment seems to not be holding up to the data.

 

[NickC]

Higher crowds don't necessarily mean higher profits. You still make $800 whether you charge 100 people $8 each, or 80 people $10 each. However, your cost for maintenance, staffing, etc. will be less without those extra 20 guests. The 80 people who still pay will have a better experience, and are more likely to return or introduce new guests to the parks.

Well, I was just talking about the crowd outlook--how crowded will it be? But, this is an interesting point, because in order to attract more return guests and increase the value, even with higher prices, it should "feel" less crowded. It didn't notice significantly less congestion the last few years we've been. I don't know how everyone else has felt. We'll be there next month, so we'll see how it goes this time around.

 

[Minnie1222]

Well, I was just talking about the crowd outlook--how crowded will it be? But, this is an interesting point, because in order to attract more return guests and increase the value, even with higher prices, it should "feel" less crowded. It didn't notice significantly less congestion the last few years we've been. I don't know how everyone else has felt. We'll be there next month, so we'll see how it goes this time around.

Oh, I thought you were questioning why attendance wasn't as high as pre-Covid. My mistake!

In terms of congestion, it definitely feels less congested in the lightning lanes. It's also easier to get ADR, although I believe this has to do with their new system. These two changes are good enough to keep us returning, for now.