Crowd levels

[joseph821]

Hence, not aligned with the common meaning of "crowds."

I haven't looked at that site in a long time, so if they call them "attraction wait time levels," that's fine. But if they're calling them "crowd levels," then that's misleading. Same with other DLR "crowd" prediction sites.

The crowd levels on our Crowd Calendar reflect our wait time forecasts for each date and park. Those forecasts are based on 42 million wait times we have collected over the past 15 years. We account for special events, holidays, and other factors that bring people to the parks, and we rank each date from least-crowded (1) to most-crowded (10) based on wait times.​

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Crowd Level

This number indicates how high the wait times will be on each day

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What's Going On

Special events that may impact crowd levels

Track Day

Click on date to add this day to your saved dates in the Crowd Tracker

What does each number mean?

Hover over a different attraction to see what each number on the Crowd Calendar means for your wait time.

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[joseph821]

Hence, not aligned with the common meaning of "crowds."

I haven't looked at that site in a long time, so if they call them "attraction wait time levels," that's fine. But if they're calling them "crowd levels," then that's misleading. Same with other DLR "crowd" prediction sites.

There is no deception with them. The term crowds and crowd levels vary hugely in meaning. They define crowds based on wait times and crowd level based on wait times, tier level and special events.

 

[LKing]

Also if locals come at night...2/3 of the operating hours are gone so the locals only effect the last 1/3 of operating hours and if they have dinner and watch entertainment the locals do not affect wait times for attractions that much. So the swarm of locals affect attendance levels from 6pm to 12 Midnight. So 10 hours out of 16 hours have passed or 62.5% so the rush of locals affects 37.5% of operating time.

Similarly, if visitors go back to their hotel for a longer than average midday break, that impacts calculations. If temps top 90 degrees around noon and don't drop below 90 until 5 pm or below 85 until 8 pm, that leaves a good chunk of the day when the parks are pretty quiet. If someone is at home watching attraction wait times during the 30-40% of the day when visitors are in the pool or hotel room, they will be misled.

As I mentioned up thread, MK reservations for August 29 have been full for close to a month. Until this week, the only other day between now and Thanksgiving when there are no reservations is Halloween. It was pretty clear that there was a lot of demand to visit the parks this past Friday. The heat and humidity impacted the time when guests (both local as well as out of town visitors) felt comfortable entering the park.

The 2 out of 10 for the day for overall crowd level is based on attraction wait times and not the crowds for the entertainment, shows, fireworks, parades, etc.

It is the etc that impacts a guest's experience. It is the number of people in the stores, lines for food & snacks, for characters, pin trading, PhotoPass, restrooms, City Hall, and the general difficulty just walking around the parks.

 

[joseph821]

Similarly, if visitors go back to their hotel for a longer than average midday break, that impacts calculations. If temps top 90 degrees around noon and don't drop below 90 until 5 pm or below 85 until 8 pm, that leaves a good chunk of the day when the parks are pretty quiet. If someone is at home watching attraction wait times during the 30-40% of the day when visitors are in the pool or hotel room, they will be misled.

As I mentioned up thread, MK reservations for August 29 have been full for close to a month. Until this week, the only other day between now and Thanksgiving when there are no reservations is Halloween. It was pretty clear that there was a lot of demand to visit the parks this past Friday. The heat and humidity impacted the time when guests (both local as well as out of town visitors) felt comfortable entering the park.




It is the etc that impacts a guest's experience. It is the number of people in the stores, lines for food & snacks, for characters, pin trading, PhotoPass, restrooms, City Hall, and the general difficulty just walking around the parks.

Seems like most of Disneyland's attendance the last month is based primarily on the Magic Keys. So the tier day tickets are really not in play right now. Disneyland is a locals park and based on the Early Entry program ending, Disneyland does not care about their own Resort Hotel guests. There are only 3000 Resort hotel rooms and cutting costs is the way corporate is going. The whole Disneyland Forward thing will not attract out-of-town visitors to stay at Resort hotels without any perks. I do not expect the Forward plan will be 100% completed.

As long as the Keys spend money, Disneyland makes money...how much and do the profits increase remains to be seen. Disneyland does the minimum to keep the Keys and locals engaged...the out-town guests much less.

 

[LKing]

I'm sorry that you are upset.

 

[joseph821]

I'm sorry that you are upset.

I do not think 1 LL is a fair perk when I am spending a bundle at GCH and already have two 5 day park hoppers with LL for my 10 day trip and all through the WDTC. I can spend my money elsewhere. I cancelled my August 2025 Disneyland GCH trip because there was nothing new being added for Halloween and no RSR Casey and Storybookland and I was just there for 10 days in late May. I went to the beach and upstate for vacation and was happy I did.

 

[Tinkaboo]

I snapped this picture as we were trying to leave NOS and get to Frontierland last night. They wouldn't let us into Frontierland either by River Belle or by Adventureland Bazaar. They directed everyone out to Main Street to make a U turn to enter Frontierland.

I took the picture because people on this forum often think that it will be easy to get from Point A to Point B after a show. If you don't know the layout of the park and you are swimming upstream in a crowd like this, it is easy to get turned around. This photo was taken at 9:50 pm, ten minutes after fireworks ended.

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YIKES! I'm getting a panic attack just looking at that!!!

 

[LAS2AMS]

Last Saturday DCA was packed. Philharmagic was full, the swings (almost always a walk in) had a 30 minute wait, there was absolutely no tables to sit & people were eating on the sidewalk… but Touring Plans said it wasn’t crowded, therefore it was iuat an illusion. OK….

 

[LKing]

YIKES! I'm getting a panic attack just looking at that!!!

Yeah, I didn't intend to post it in this thread. I was saving it for when someone asks for the best way to get from SWGE to Fantasmic.

 

[irlandaise]

It is the etc that impacts a guest's experience. It is the number of people in the stores, lines for food & snacks, for characters, pin trading, PhotoPass, restrooms, City Hall, and the general difficulty just walking around the parks.

Exactly. If I'm trying to get from Adventureland to New Orleans Square, I don't care how many people are in line for Big Thunder. I do care how many people I have to work my way past. That traffic jam affects everyone, whether they're headed to a ride. have a meal reservation, want to check out the latest NOS/CC merchandise, or whatever.

 

[irlandaise]

The crowd levels on our Crowd Calendar reflect our wait time forecasts for each date and park.
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That's fine, as long as people on this board make it clear what they're referring to when someone asks, "How crowded will Disneyland be next weekend?"

 

[FLCA026]

YIKES! I'm getting a panic attack just looking at that!!!

We were directed one direction. It was awful after the fireworks.

 

[joseph821]

That's fine, as long as people on this board make it clear what they're referring to when someone asks, "How crowded will Disneyland be next weekend?"

After this thread not answering those questions! LOL