Crate Training advise/tricks for our puppy

[Pooh_Friend#1]

We just bought an 8 week old "frenchiepei" and I was wondering if anyone had any advise or tricks for crate training our puppy. Our last dog was so good and we put her in the crate and she had no problem, didn't even whine. This puppy barks and whines for about an hour, stops for about an hour, and starts back in again with the barking/whining. She is doing really good with potty training when not in the crate, but as soon as she gets in there she will poop even though she just pooped right before we put her in.

I was thinking maybe we need to block off a room and keep her in the room that is blocked off with her crate open at night and maybe that would help?

Any ideas would be appreciated! TIA

 

[java]

I had to look up the breed because I had never heard of it. We have a frenchie- I can't imagine her partnering with a sharpei- But they are cute.

On the crate- is it too big an area for her? We had to shrink the crate for our frenchie to about half size and then she got it. Slowly we increased the size and she got it.

Good luck and PICTURES please!

 

[The Mystery Machine]

Did you get her from a place where she was being kept in a crate 24/7, like a mall pet store or something similiar?

 

[golfgal]

It sounds like she isn't done going to the bathroom outside when you put her in the crate and doesn't have an option BUT to go in the crate. It took us a few days to figure out that our dog would pee 3 times outside before she was done. When she stopped sniffing the ground and would start playing was our cue to know she was done. Our friend's dog poops twice when she goes out. Try keeping her outside longer and watch her carefully to see what her habit it for going.

Also, how big is the crate? We got a bigger crate for our dog to grow into but sectioned it off with some wood so it was just big enough for her to lay down/turn around in.

 

[Pooh_Friend#1]

On the crate- is it too big an area for her? We had to shrink the crate for our frenchie to about half size and then she got it. Slowly we increased the size and she got it.

With these responses, I think the crate is too big. We bought a larger one so she could grow into it but we have tried to shrink it the best we could and it still doesn't seem to work. Any ideas on what to use to shrink the crate? I was thinking maybe a box and shove it in the back. Is there such a thing as crate dividers?

Did you get her from a place where she was being kept in a crate 24/7, like a mall pet store or something similiar?

Yes, we got her at a mall pet store. She was with a breeder in Nebraska and then was at the Pet store for one day before we bought her.

It sounds like she isn't done going to the bathroom outside when you put her in the crate and doesn't have an option BUT to go in the crate. It took us a few days to figure out that our dog would pee 3 times outside before she was done. When she stopped sniffing the ground and would start playing was our cue to know she was done. Our friend's dog poops twice when she goes out. Try keeping her outside longer and watch her carefully to see what her habit it for going.

Also, how big is the crate? We got a bigger crate for our dog to grow into but sectioned it off with some wood so it was just big enough for her to lay down/turn around in.

We did the same thing with buying a bigger crate. When she is done, she usually runs to the front door and does this everytime. Maybe I should pick her up and place her back out in the grass after she runs to the door? I have tried to do this a few times and she doesn't do anything but run back to the door. Maybe I should put her on her leash and make her stay their longer.

Thanks for all the responses and help. I will upload pics soon!

 

[The Mystery Machine]

Mall pet stores dogs are from puppy mills. A puppy mill is technically a "breeder". That means that the puppy has been trained to eliminate in the crate more than likely. So you will have to break that. The dog is young and it is very doable.

Also once the dog eliminates in the crate the scent is there and the urge to do it again is strong. You have to use an enzyme cleaner and make sure the scent is removed.

I also recommend not cleaning up the poop in the backyard right away. Leave it there so puppy knows that this is the "new place" to eliminate. The pup will smell his old poop and say hey this is the new place.

As far as the whining, you just have to outlast the puppy. Do not leave crate open or any other tactics.

Your success here depends on things remaining consistent and unchanging. When you try "other things" it just confuses them. I would use the leash all of the time in the house and outside for the first few weeks.

 

[kacaju]

Mall pet stores dogs are from puppy mills. A puppy mill is technically a "breeder". That means that the puppy has been trained to eliminate in the crate more than likely. So you will have to break that. The dog is young and it is very doable.

Also once the dog eliminates in the crate the scent is there and the urge to do it again is strong. You have to use an enzyme cleaner and make sure the scent is removed.

I also recommend not cleaning up the poop in the backyard right away. Leave it there so puppy knows that this is the "new place" to eliminate. The pup will smell his old poop and say hey this is the new place.

As far as the whining, you just have to outlast the puppy. Do not leave crate open or any other tactics.

Your success here depends on things remaining consistent and unchanging. When you try "other things" it just confuses them. I would use the leash all of the time in the house and outside for the first few weeks.

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[Pooh_Friend#1]

Mall pet stores dogs are from puppy mills. A puppy mill is technically a "breeder". That means that the puppy has been trained to eliminate in the crate more than likely. So you will have to break that. The dog is young and it is very doable.

Also once the dog eliminates in the crate the scent is there and the urge to do it again is strong. You have to use an enzyme cleaner and make sure the scent is removed.

I also recommend not cleaning up the poop in the backyard right away. Leave it there so puppy knows that this is the "new place" to eliminate. The pup will smell his old poop and say hey this is the new place.

As far as the whining, you just have to outlast the puppy. Do not leave crate open or any other tactics.

Your success here depends on things remaining consistent and unchanging. When you try "other things" it just confuses them. I would use the leash all of the time in the house and outside for the first few weeks.

Thank you very much.

 

[Pooh_Friend#1]

Is there any particular brand of enzymer that works best? All we hear is use Natures Miracle which we have been using. I guess time to get a black light to make sure we have eliminated every trace!

 

[LPZ_Stitch!]

If your larger-sized crate didn't come with a divider, you can probably still buy one (the appropriate size) in a good pet store -- one that sells the metal-wire panels that dog show people use to make pens at shows. They usually just hook together....

When crate training, the crate really needs to be just big enough for the puppy to lay down and turn around ... no extra room for "pooping in the corner."

 

[kathymc]

we just used a box to block off the back of the crate.
natures miracle is probably the best -

 

[Pooh_Friend#1]

Thanks so much for the comments, you have helped me get through the day and realize it's probably the size of the crate! Bad owners trying to be cheap.

 

[onelilspark]

One of the miracle cures for our puppy in his crate was to cover it with a towel to make it more "den-like." He cried all night long until we got that advice. He has never gone in his crate though.

 

[LindaG4458]

We are going through the puppy training also. Our Pomeranian, Roxie, also came from a pet store. She picked us out as we walked by the cages.

She is doing fairly well with the house training. At first she wet in the house about every ten minutes. We taught her to ring a bell when she wants to go potty and she does that well, plus she gets a treat whenever she goes outside. We are cutting back on that a little bit. Of course, she also knows that the bell gets attention whenever she wants it!

She has only had one incident while in the crate. The first time we left her at home alone while we food shopped she was hysterical when we got home and had pooped in the crate. Now she knows we will be back and handles it very well.

We had forgotten how much work is involved with a tiny puppy. It's a good thing she's cute!

 

[hereyago]

We just bought an 8 week old "frenchiepei" and I was wondering if anyone had any advise or tricks for crate training our puppy. Our last dog was so good and we put her in the crate and she had no problem, didn't even whine. This puppy barks and whines for about an hour, stops for about an hour, and starts back in again with the barking/whining. She is doing really good with potty training when not in the crate, but as soon as she gets in there she will poop even though she just pooped right before we put her in.

I was thinking maybe we need to block off a room and keep her in the room that is blocked off with her crate open at night and maybe that would help?

Any ideas would be appreciated! TIA

Where is her crate? I mean, is it in your bedroom, or some place with people in it? the reason I ask is: dogs are pack animals, so know your family is this pup's new pack. also, put a towel in her crate that smells like you.
Last 2 dogs, crate trained were kept in my bedroom at night. They would wake up cry, so I would take them out. I see your pup is 8 weeks old, so their little puppy bladders are still growing. Every 2 hours when my pups were that age. Take them outside and not come into until they did something.

My GS now knows that if I get my shoes on, that I am going BYe bye and he goes into his crate automatically and he is almost 2. he is still to young and immature to trust in the house alone. when we go to bed, he sleeps in my room.

Good luck, puppyhood goes by fast, well not at 3 am when you are waking up to take them out.,but it's fun to watch them grow.

 

[Pooh_Friend#1]

I am happy to report that there were no accidents last night! I set my alarm to take her out every two hours, but she woke up on her own and there were no messes. (We have done this since we got her, but everytime we woke her up she would have had an accident already) Everytime we went outside she did something, I was so proud of her! We used a tote to block off the extra space in the kennel, and covered the kennel with a towel to see if that would help with the crying. She still whined and cried a little bit but every night it seems to be reducing by a few minutes.

I wonder if I should put her in the crate for a few minutes a day while I am at home and doing chores if this would help her get use to it more and see it as her space?

Once again, thanks for all your help.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

If I could not give my puppies 100% my attention they were crated. You must do this until they are 100% housebroken. All it takes is 1 accident and then you are having to break them from that.

I had rescued 4 month old puppies so they were further along. The first puppy got housebroken after about 2 weeks.

The other one was tougher. Somehow she got it in her head that carpet was for peeing on. She was a border mix so we had leashed her AT ALL TIMES to me. Then we would do the "set up" so we could correct her before she peed. After a few corrections it she finally "got it".

Your puppy is very young and free roam must not be allowed at all. You are "mom alpha" and must keep her under your watchful eye 24/7 or crated.

Have fun!