COVID-19 vaccine question

[ronandannette]

They can't require it yet while under EUA, once it is fully approved they could like the flu shot.

Thanks for the answer but I don’t know what EUA means.

 

[sam_gordon]

Thanks for the answer but I don’t know what EUA means.

I think it's "Emergency Use Authorization".

 

[mefordis]

I wouldn't be surprised.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/27/tech/coronavirus-vaccine-passport-apps/index.html
https://6abc.com/society/vaccine-pa...VIN1hk8w7vWNv33a3jYM3LqQbtIMh5QYtCGvmyhFMzEvM

 

[RangerPooh]

Doubtful. They do not require that guest show proof of other vaccines. There is a disclaimer of some sort on the reservation page that you recognize the potential for coming in contact with the disease and that the guest accepts the risk by visiting.

 

[BrianL]

I really don't think we will see a lot of proof-of-vaccination requirements. Once enough people have the vaccine and the case numbers are way, way down, it won't be as much of a concern. I think we will see it for schools and such like we do now for other vaccines, or maybe for international air travel, but I doubt it will be a requirement to enter stores and theme parks.

 

[mom2rtk]

I really don't think we will see a lot of proof-of-vaccination requirements. Once enough people have the vaccine and the case numbers are way, way down, it won't be as much of a concern. I think we will see it for schools and such like we do now for other vaccines, or maybe for international air travel, but I doubt it will be a requirement to enter stores and theme parks.

I'm back and forth on this. There can't be any requirements yet. Not for a long time. Not until everyone who wants it has had a chance to get it (or at least most). But if we get to that point where the people left to get it are hesitating, and we start having outbreaks, I can absolutely see requirements being added in a number of places.

Additionally, I think places like Disney will continue to evaluate and could change on a dime. If they decide the reassurance of having a requirement would gain them more customers than they could get without it, then I could see it happen. I have no doubt someone is working on some sort of secure app with proof of vaccine. Whether it gets accepted by the American public remains to be seen.

But the pandemic has taught me to never say never. Things you never thought possible are suddenly possible. You just never know. And I don't think anyone knows how this is going to play out.

 

[nursejackie]

I am a nurse and I'm not required to get it, but I am required to get the flu shot

That's interesting. I'm an English nurse and we are not required to have the flu vaccine.

The Public Health Act (Control of Disease) 1984 gives the power to introduce regulations (e.g. lockdowns, tiers etc) to control a disease but does not include mandatory treatment or vaccination, so I'm assuming this also means our employers cannot enforce it either.

 

[BrianL]

I'm back and forth on this. There can't be any requirements yet. Not for a long time. Not until everyone who wants it has had a chance to get it (or at least most). But if we get to that point where the people left to get it are hesitating, and we start having outbreaks, I can absolutely see requirements being added in a number of places.

Additionally, I think places like Disney will continue to evaluate and could change on a dime. If they decide the reassurance of having a requirement would gain them more customers than they could get without it, then I could see it happen. I have no doubt someone is working on some sort of secure app with proof of vaccine. Whether it gets accepted by the American public remains to be seen.

But the pandemic has taught me to never say never. Things you never thought possible are suddenly possible. You just never know. And I don't think anyone knows how this is going to play out.

Well, I don't think it's impossible, I just don't think it's too likely as widespread availability of the vaccine should crush the numbers pretty drastically meaning businesses won't need to react that way. They may do it as a temporary measure in the latter stages of distribution but it won't last long once the majoraty of the population is protected.

 

[Karin1984]

How does it work in the US for vaccines & nurseries and kindergarten for example? Can kids (and people who apply for a job) be refused access if they aren't vaccinated against certain illnesses? Early this year, before Covid was a real thing, a law was passed in my country (NL) that allows kindergartens to ask for proof of vaccinations. If a parent doesn't want to give the information that's fine, but then your child is not getting in.

 

[bcla]

How does it work in the US for vaccines & nurseries and kindergarten for example? Can kids (and people who apply for a job) be refused access if they aren't vaccinated against certain illnesses? Early this year, before Covid was a real thing, a law was passed in my country (NL) that allows kindergartens to ask for proof of vaccinations. If a parent doesn't want to give the information that's fine, but then your child is not getting in.

Regular vaccinations are required in most states, but the particular rules on exceptions vary. California eliminated its exception for personal/religious belief, although there is still a medical exception. All K-12 schools are required to follow these rules, including private schools.

 

[kdonnel]

How does it work in the US for vaccines & nurseries and kindergarten for example? Can kids (and people who apply for a job) be refused access if they aren't vaccinated against certain illnesses? Early this year, before Covid was a real thing, a law was passed in my country (NL) that allows kindergartens to ask for proof of vaccinations. If a parent doesn't want to give the information that's fine, but then your child is not getting in.

State laws set vaccine requirements for daycare and school entry. So the rules can vary from state to state. In some states the laws apply to public and private schools, in some only public. Some states offer more options for exemptions for religious and/or philosophical reasons while others offer neither. Some states only offer exemptions for certain vaccines.

 

[tzolkin]

That's interesting. I'm an English nurse and we are not required to have the flu vaccine.

Are you required to have other vaccinations? Here it is considered a condition of employment. Basically, you agree to comply with their vaccination/health requirements and that you can be suspended/terminated for failing to do so. Hospitals are very strict about it. For example, if they set their deadline for flu immunizations as Oct 31, if you show up for work on Nov 1 and don't have it documented in your file, you will not be allowed to work until it is completed.

 

[nursejackie]

Are you required to have other vaccinations? Here it is considered a condition of employment. Basically, you agree to comply with their vaccination/health requirements and that you can be suspended/terminated for failing to do so. Hospitals are very strict about it. For example, if they set their deadline for flu immunizations as Oct 31, if you show up for work on Nov 1 and don't have it documented in your file, you will not be allowed to work until it is completed.

Are you required to have other vaccinations? Here it is considered a condition of employment. Basically, you agree to comply with their vaccination/health requirements and that you can be suspended/terminated for failing to do so. Hospitals are very strict about it. For example, if they set their deadline for flu immunizations as Oct 31, if you show up for work on Nov 1 and don't have it documented in your file, you will not be allowed to work until it is completed.

Only Hepatitis B. But I worked in Australia for 3 years and before starting on the wards I had to have the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) and DPT (diptheria, pertussis and tetanus). I also had proof of antibodies for varicella zoster, but again we weren't made to have the flu jab as a condition of employment.

 

[tzolkin]

Only Hepatitis B. But I worked in Australia for 3 years and before starting on the wards I had to have the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) and DPT (diptheria, pertussis and tetanus). I also had proof of antibodies for varicella zoster, but again we weren't made to have the flu jab as a condition of employment.

I've never been required (I'm a manager and mostly work from home), but everyone else I know who works in heathcare (even those who don't have direct patient contact) are. Most non-healthcare jobs (except maybe schools?) do not require flu vaccination. When I worked at a university, we were strongly encouraged to get one and they set up spots all over campus for us to get one for free, but it was not required.

Do most medical professionals in your country get the flu vaccine anyway even though it's not required?

Honestly, it may also have something to do with money and sick leave in the US. Many employers here give limited time off and there are strict policies about calling in, so most people tend to still go to work when they are sick. The hospital where my husband and daughter now work has a "flu PTO pool" which gives employees two days off with pay if they are diagnosed with the flu and it doesn't count toward their call-in limit. I'm sure requiring every employee to have the vaccine decreases the number of hours they have to pay people since fewer should be getting sick so the hospital has a financial incentive to require it.

 

[nursejackie]

Do most medical professionals in your country get the flu vaccine anyway even though it's not required?

I can't say for sure, but our NHS Trust was only at around 66 percent uptake this year. The Government sets targets for each trust and its aggressively pushed until the end date (30th November). You can fill in a Decline form so you don't receive any communication about clinic dates.

Honestly, it may also have something to do with money and sick leave in the US

You may be right. I have over 10 years continuous employment with the NHS so I'm entitled to 6 months full pay followed by 6 months half pay. That's not to say I take advantage of this, I've only been off twice in the last 18 months because I was injured from falling (twice) when out training for Disney 10K which ironically has now been cancelled

 

[lanejudy]

That seems to be the approach taken everywhere and I’m curious as to why. What explanation has your employer given?

At this point, the US has only given “emergency use authorization” (EUA) instead of full approval. This essentially leaves the drug in “investigational” status. It’s really murky whether a drug under development (experimental or investigational status) can be required because it has not officially been fully vetted for long-term complications. It will be further evaluated by the FDA for full approval.

 

[godisney14]

Regular vaccinations are required in most states, but the particular rules on exceptions vary. California eliminated its exception for personal/religious belief, although there is still a medical exception. All K-12 schools are required to follow these rules, including private schools.

The following are required for CA schools (if without an exception): DTaP, MMR, HepB, Varicella, and Polio.

 

[MrsJackSparrow4Life]

I doubt WDW will do it but apparently cruise lines are putting stipulations for future cruises stating you will either need a recent negative Covid test or proof of vaccination on top of the regular temperature checks.

 

[karen4546]

I doubt they would ever require it, but I would love for my Driver's license to include vaccines. It could easily be done. There is a "heart" for donor, they could have a symbol for all the vaccines- first thought is a "middle finger" for COVID 19. For yearly vaccines, they could just scan your license when you are vaccinated and it would populate in the system. seriously though, maybe just a CV19 on there. The way technology has advanced, I don't know why this has not been implemented yet. In Louisiana, we have an app that has a digital version of our driver's license-exact replica even with barcode on the back. Very useful if you get stopped and have changed wallets and don't have your license