Could Someone Please List All The "Changes" You Guys Are Talking About?

[Disney Doll]

What are all these changes everyone is all up in arms about? I know there's one about the transferring of points, but I don't know the details of it. Are there others?

 

[tjkraz]

1. Non-members can no longer call MS and confirm reservations.

(Editorial Comment: Hurts members and non-members engaged in rental transactions; saves the rest of us money in the form of reduced staffing at MS and/or lower call wait times.)

2. Transfers are now limited to ONE per year. In the past it was one DIRECTION per year (either send OR receive points), but there was no cap on the number of transactions.

 

[disneyjunkie]

Is number one true?

I read a thread about this earlier this week, but today a DVC member posted otherwise on the rent/trade board.

 

[Chuck S]

In addition from the Vacation Magic email, which does list thos tjkraz mentined as well as the potential to cancel ressies if DVC deems they are a habitual renter:

Policies protect personal use and enjoyment
In a continuing effort to maximize Members' personal enjoyment of their Membership, Disney Vacation Club would like to remind Members about several related policies outlined in the Public Offering Statement and other Member documents.

As a reminder, published policies limit the use of accommodations and recreational facilities solely to the personal use and enjoyment of Owners, their lessees, Guests, exchangers and invitees and for recreational uses by corporations and other entities owning Ownership Interests in a Unit.

To maximize the availability of reservations for these permitted purposes, Disney Vacation Club closely monitors reservations and may cancel reserved accommodations if a pattern of rental activity for profit is discovered.

Additionally, current policies limit Vacation Point-transfer transactions to one transfer per Member or Membership, either as transferee or transferor, during a given Use Year.

"We want to ensure that Members have the greatest opportunity to enjoy the magic of Membership," said Leigh Anne Nieman, Director of Business Standards and Regulatory Affairs for Disney Vacation Club. "With that in mind, we're committed to maximizing the availability of Ownership Interests and accommodations for Members' personal enjoyment, and we're committed to enforcing the policies that help us deliver on that commitment."

It has always been the policy of Disney Vacation Club that Membership is designed specifically to provide long-term personal enjoyment, and Members shouldn't purchase their Membership as an appreciable short-term investment.

 

[RobDoc]

Is number one true?

I read a thread about this earlier this week, but today a DVC member posted otherwise on the rent/trade board.

DVC has definitely decided not to allow non-member access to Member Services. I'm sure there are some who have not realized this yet and still assume their renters can contact MS directly. Hopefully, this will be realized quickly by that member since they seem to be promising that to their renters. In this case, it appears they are willing to wait for any payment until their renter has confirmed the reservation using the 800 number. There may be quite a wait!

 

[irishbacker92]

1. Non-members can no longer call MS and confirm reservations.

(Editorial Comment: Hurts members and non-members engaged in rental transactions; saves the rest of us money in the form of reduced staffing at MS and/or lower call wait times.)

2. Transfers are now limited to ONE per year. In the past it was one DIRECTION per year (either send OR receive points), but there was no cap on the number of transactions.

How are YOU gonna spend all that money YOU are going to save???
I can't wait for that check in the MAIL!!!!!

 

[Stitch1404]

How will DVC define if one is a habitual renter? Will it be if they rented x number of times per year? Or if the member is renting year after year? I don't know, but this change just seems like it could lead to a lot of conflict unless DVC strictly outlines what they mean by habitual.

 

[tjkraz]

How are YOU gonna spend all that money YOU are going to save???
I can't wait for that check in the MAIL!!!!!

I could care less about getting a check in the mail. I'll just be happy if wait times go down at MS.

It's about time that the entire membership body stopped subsidizing the expense created by nervous point renters who contacted DVC on a regular basis to confirm reservations. Let the renters arrange 3-way calls to service their "clients."

 

[Disney Doll]

Thanks for the replies.

None of those things will affect me since I don't rent points and I have done 1 transfer in my 9 years of ownership.

I'm too greedy....I keep all the points for myself!!!!!

I'd have to pull out my paperwork, but it doesn't sound like this is a new policy, just one that is now being enforced.

 

[ATCMickey]

Anyone care to weigh in....?

What constitutes a pattern of rental for profit and how would DVC determine whether a member's rentals are creating a profit?

In our case, we have done several years of WDW and then decided to do something else for a change. One year we rented points and did a cruise (far more profitable way to do a cruise) and the next year we rented points and purchased accomodations in CA. So if I rented our points (not for profit sake but to fund alternate arrangements and make use of points that would otherwise go unused and be lost)...now DVC could summarily cancel that rented reservation??? Why would I take the risk. I've got a rental contract obligating me to provide accomodations for my renter and now I'm going to risk the liability of DVC cancelling my reservation and having to litigate the damage incurred by my renter? No thanks.

Can anyone weigh in on how DVC would identify whether a rental is for profit and what would constitute a pattern? I know it's probably just conjecture at this point, but I'm beginning to wonder whether I can assume the risk of some subjective assessment that my rental somehow constitutes "for profit" or "a pattern" in someone's mind.

ATCMickey

 

[KANSAS]

i also believe that the price per point, increased to $95 per point, on DVC Sold out resorts
as DVC Add ons
starting August 1,2006

I believe that you use to be grandfathered in at the price per DVC point
based on when you went on DVC add on/wait list

If the price per DVC point was $92 per point, when you went on the wait list
and your wait list, succeeded later, when the DVC price per point was $95 per piont
you got the points for $92 per piont

I do not believe this is the case anymore

 

[KANSAS]

many of us believe that in the near future. The 4 month advantage, at your home DVC Resort, over other DVC Members, that do not own at your home DVC Resort, will be shortened to 2 months

 

[lovwdwalot]

many of us believe that in the near future. The 4 month advantage, at your home DVC Resort, over other DVC Members, that do not own at your home DVC Resort, will be shortened to 2 months

Many? Who's many, the way I look at it I think that they would have to keep the 4 month advantage at your home resort. Because the onwers at the small resorts (BCV, WLV) as it is now are having a somewhat hard time making reservation now at the 7 month window at those resorts that they own.

 

[KANSAS]

a move to a 2 month advantage over a 4 month advantage
would be a great selling p0int to new potential DVC Members
at SSRS + the next DVC Resort after SSRS

It would make much easier for a SSRS new owner as of today
to get into beach club + boardwalk

I believe if you will review current DVC rules. DVC can reduce the 4 month advantage to your home resort, to one month, with no consent of current DVC Members

I was clear in my previous post, + want to be clear in this post
that is only my opinion and not an implemented change

 

[Deb & Bill]

Why wouldn't a SSR owner have the same chance as a VB owner to get BWV at 7 months? I used all my VWL points for Thanksgiving, but had to modify my reservation at 7 months to get it exactly like I wanted it. We called exactly at 7 months out and got the day we needed fixed with our OKW points.

Home resort advantage is still home resort advantage. I don't understand why it should even change. They could go back to the lottery system for Christmas if they wanted to.

 

[rinkwide]

1. Non-members can no longer call MS and confirm reservations. (Editorial Comment: Hurts members and non-members engaged in rental transactions...)

I'd suggest any member who ever has any type of guest (family, friend, renter) can be "hurt" by this new policy.

 

[Disney Doll]

You're alllowed one renting/transfer per year, if I understand you all correctly. So wantign to change your vacation that year wouldn't be a huge issue. Wanting to give some points to your nephew as a wedding fit wouldn't be a huge issue. It seems to me that wanting to do these things 6 times in the same UY is what is an issue.

And, if I understand correctly, this is not a new policy, but one that has been in place from the beginning that they are starting to enforce more stringently. If that is the case, anyone who purchased and read the materials knew this. OK...they've been letting people "get away" with it, and now they're not going to. If it was in the original paperwork/contract, consider yourselves lucky that you've gotten away with it for so long.

Truthfully, I hate the rental thing. I think it cheapens theproduct, I think renters don't take as good of the property as owners (and don't bother, all you thousdands of renters who frequent the DISboards, to tell me how wonderfully well you care for the unit...it's a fairly well-known fact that the average renter of anything doesn't take as good care of it as they would if they owned it), and people who run a DVC rental buusiness should get shut down.

 

[JimMIA]

Many? Who's many,

I'd like to hear from some more of the "many," too. I think the "many" may be closely related to "they," who say all those dumb things.

the way I look at it I think that they would have to keep the 4 month advantage at your home resort. Because the onwers at the small resorts (BCV, WLV) as it is now are having a somewhat hard time making reservation now at the 7 month window at those resorts that they own.

Just to be accurate, DVC does not have to keep a four month difference. They only guarantee us a one-month difference. Also, no owners at any resort, large or small, have any special rights at seven months. We're all on equal footing at all resorts at seven months. If owners complain about not being able to get what they want at their home resort at seven months, they're just mad at themselves for screwing up. They have no complaint with DVC; DVC's not the one who messed up -- the owner did.

[ETA: I seriously doubt if DVC will change the 11/7 booking windows. They work beautifully.]

 

[Deb & Bill]

...[ETA: I seriously doubt if DVC will change the 11/7 booking windows. They work beautifully.]

I'm with you on that one, Jim. (How's the arm?)

I'd suggest any member who ever has any type of guest (family, friend, renter) can be "hurt" by this new policy.

We've had guests (non-paying) many times, maybe every other time we went, but we never transferred points to get a reservation. We've gotten a two bedroom at least three times to accomodate our guests (we're a family of three so a one bedroom works for us). We do the calculations to make them work out. This won't hurt us in the least.

 

[Inkmahm]

You're alllowed one renting/transfer per year, if I understand you all correctly. So wantign to change your vacation that year wouldn't be a huge issue. Wanting to give some points to your nephew as a wedding fit wouldn't be a huge issue. It seems to me that wanting to do these things 6 times in the same UY is what is an issue.

And, if I understand correctly, this is not a new policy, but one that has been in place from the beginning that they are starting to enforce more stringently. If that is the case, anyone who purchased and read the materials knew this. OK...they've been letting people "get away" with it, and now they're not going to. If it was in the original paperwork/contract, consider yourselves lucky that you've gotten away with it for so long.

No, you're not understanding correctly. I purchased DVC this year and the paperwork that I got dated 2/2006 does NOT say that I am allowed only one transfer in or out in a year. It says transfers may be made in only one direction in a given year, in or out, but there is no restriction on the number of transfers I can make.

This IS a change to policy. I DID read the materials.