Cost of WDW Vacation with DVC

If you wish to calculate your “savings” to a list price that the poster would admittedly never pay then more power to you. That’s not real money , it’s an “if I would have spent $1100 per night on a room” - hence the funny math comment. DVC has real value for a way to squeeze more comfort out of your vacation budget , that is the correct way to look at it IMO

It's a false dilemma/false dichotomy and it's super common around here. I can't claim the savings of DVC vs BLT 2 bedroom rack rate rooms because I would never have paid rack rate on a BLT 2 bedroom unit. I can do some funny math as you say and make myself feel better about it though.

When I bought into DVC I compared buying at BLT to where we would stay if we weren't DVC members, which was an AoA family suite. It was about even. For the cost of an AoA family suite, we could buy into BLT and enjoy a room closer to MK, and have the kitchen/laundry in the room. There's no way I can try to use the 1700 a night rack rate on the BLT 2 bedroom unit as a number to claim savings when paying that was never ever going to happen.
 
It's a false dilemma/false dichotomy and it's super common around here. I can't claim the savings of DVC vs BLT 2 bedroom rack rate rooms because I would never have paid rack rate on a BLT 2 bedroom unit. I can do some funny math as you say and make myself feel better about it though.

When I bought into DVC I compared buying at BLT to where we would stay if we weren't DVC members, which was an AoA family suite. It was about even. For the cost of an AoA family suite, we could buy into BLT and enjoy a room closer to MK, and have the kitchen/laundry in the room. There's no way I can try to use the 1700 a night rack rate on the BLT 2 bedroom unit as a number to claim savings when paying that was never ever going to happen.

you said it better than me
 
This is what’s called “funny” math which is what DVC counts on from prospective buyers (be careful). Unless you were actually planning on spending that $250k on rooms at Disney which is not what most people would reasonably consider , you didn’t “save” that money. You simply got more for the money that you did spend. By that math, those same people spending rack rate for 50 years would be probably spend well over $1million on total vacation costs to Disney including airfare , tickets, food, etc.

Disney knows what they are doing and what they are selling. Go into this with eyes wide open - appreciate what you bought and enjoy it but don’t buy into the funny math :)

My example was comparing what I get vs what I would pay otherwise. And sure almost no one would pay that every year. But the math is real if you follow the premise and is easily adjusted and still true even for lesser deluxe rooms. I am not speaking about Value rooms or off property hotels.

There are hundreds of ways to analyze DVC value. Everyone must do the math for themselves and their situation. I am not trying to talk anyone into it. Just giving my experience 14 years into a 50 year contract. For my "needs" the math works in ever scenario if I were otherwise staying at on property Deluxe resorts. I would likely do it every other year if I were not DVC. Right now we go every year.

A "more reasonable (cough)" one room traditional Savanah view at Animal Kingdom is $700+ a night booked 6 months in advance. Ridiculously expensive but people are paying that (its sells out months in advance). Using that room instead of the 1 bedroom villa the math still works. 6 nights at $700 = $4200. 6 night Savanah View 1 bedroom Villa using 150 DVC Points (based on my cost basis) is $1285. Savings of $2915 over non DVC cost for a vastly inferior and smaller room. All this is averaging... not trying to say this is exact.

Going every year can still get expensive for airline, food, tickets, etc. We go almost every year but sometimes we sell our points (or give them to family). Lets throttle back the trips to every other year and sell the rest. Avg of $15 a point sold (guesstimated average over 50 years) minus the $9 paid per point (rounded up) = $6 a point net x 150 points $900 made every year I don't go. $900 x 25 years = $22,500.

1 trip every other year for 50 years room only cost comparison:
DVC Costs avg $1285/yr x 25 year = $32,125. vs cost of lesser studio room but at deluxe resort $105,000 ($4200 x 25 trips).
Net cash avg from 150 DVC points sold for 25 years = $22,500
Net cash out of pocket DVC cost for room minus points sold for 50 years = $10,650 (room only)

Cost of Dole Whips, refillable mugs, Yak and Yeti Orange chicken, Caseys Corner Loaded Slaw Dog, Yorkshire County Fish and Chips, Grilled 3 Cheese Sandwhich at Woody's Lunch Box, etc... for 5 people over 6 days over 25 trips = approx $37,500... so no, you don't really save money on trips to Disney. But I am grateful God has blessed us to allow me to do it.
 
Exactly! You can run infinite what if scenarios for the money the initial purchase price and what the time cost of money is. And for me, prior to purchasing, I spent months in my own head trying to justify this financially.

If you're going to head down the time cost of money rabbit hole, then you need to apply the same logic to every substantial (you decide that threshold) non-essential expenditure that you make.

I DO stay at exclusively deluxe accommodations when on vacation. We spent way too many years with small kids doing the Motel 6 route, then "upgrading" to Best Westerns as we started to make more money, then on to Hilton's, etc. Like other luxury items (sports cars, boats, etc.), I use what I call "Vegas Money" to purchase DVC points. Money that I can afford to "lose" (or in the case of DVC, part with) without significantly impacting my bank account or representing a significant reduction in investment income. Now certainly, any discretionary expenditures not utilized to generate additional investment income represent the dreaded "opportunity cost" discussed earlier, but I'm at a point in my life (57 years old with adult kids) where I really don't need to sock away every loose penny or feel that every one of those pennies isn't working for me generating income.
 
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We never included our purchase price into the equation. We used it a dozen times and turned around and sold for more than we paid. What we never anticipated was missing it so much. So we just now bought back and have 2 vaca planned for next year. We expect to sell for at least purchase price when kids lose interest.
 
This is what’s called “funny” math which is what DVC counts on from prospective buyers (be careful). Unless you were actually planning on spending that $250k on rooms at Disney which is not what most people would reasonably consider , you didn’t “save” that money. You simply got more for the money that you did spend. By that math, those same people spending rack rate for 50 years would be probably spend well over $1million on total vacation costs to Disney including airfare , tickets, food, etc.

Disney knows what they are doing and what they are selling. Go into this with eyes wide open - appreciate what you bought and enjoy it but don’t buy into the funny math :)
In our case, you are simply wrong. My wife and I for many years paid a normal price for Grand Floridian normal hotel rooms, until (I wish sooner) we decided to give a DVC VGF studio a try. The rooms are essentially the same quality for us, except the DVC building is much prettier. The math results in reduced cost by about $3000 per week 2x per year. We paid outer building hotel prices for 15 years and would have gone another 35 years. That’s a real $300k in reduced cost over 50 years had we started earlier, and for the 35 years ahead of us, over $200k of reduced cost. That’s not funny math.
 
In our case, you are simply wrong. My wife and I for many years paid a normal price for Grand Floridian normal hotel rooms, until (I wish sooner) we decided to give a DVC VGF studio a try. The rooms are essentially the same quality for us, except the DVC building is much prettier. The math results in reduced cost by about $3000 per week 2x per year. We paid outer building hotel prices for 15 years and would have gone another 35 years. That’s a real $300k in reduced cost over 50 years had we started earlier, and for the 35 years ahead of us, over $200k of reduced cost. That’s not funny math.
See my comment above. It seems that for many on here, if you would not otherwise be staying at All Star Sports, then you are an outlier or an outright liar (LOL). Apparently no one actually stays in deluxe accommodations, or if they do it's a rarity.

Curiously, the general group-think is that if you can't afford to buy DVC outright, then you really can't afford to buy DVC. Does that mean that the family that just spent that $60k cash on a 300 point contract at Riviera otherwise normally stays at All Star music at $120 a night? Confused.

(*Hint: I'm guessing they don't)
 
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See my comment above. It seems that for many on here, if you would not otherwise be staying at All Star Sports, then you are an outlier or an outright liar (LOL). Apparently no one actually stays in deluxe accommodations, or if they do it's a rarity.

Curiously, the general group-think is that if you can't afford to buy DVC outright, then you really can't afford to buy DVC. Does that mean that the family that just spent that $60k cash on a 300 point contract at Riviera otherwise normally stays at All Star music at $120 a night? Confused.

(*Hint: I'm guessing they don't)
Well said
 
In our case, you are simply wrong. My wife and I for many years paid a normal price for Grand Floridian normal hotel rooms, until (I wish sooner) we decided to give a DVC VGF studio a try. The rooms are essentially the same quality for us, except the DVC building is much prettier. The math results in reduced cost by about $3000 per week 2x per year. We paid outer building hotel prices for 15 years and would have gone another 35 years. That’s a real $300k in reduced cost over 50 years had we started earlier, and for the 35 years ahead of us, over $200k of reduced cost. That’s not funny math.

well that’s great for you! But you obviously didn’t read that my replies to posts for members that would never have paid rack rate at the GF or any other place similar. Those would be a silly way calculate savings. If you were used to (and willing) to spend $500-1000 per night for 2 weeks per year at GC then DVC is an obvious win for you - I would however question the value of spending that much on GF for so many years LOL
 
well that’s great for you! But you obviously didn’t read that my replies to posts for members that would never have paid rack rate at the GF or any other place similar. Those would be a silly way calculate savings. If you were used to (and willing) to spend $500-1000 per night for 2 weeks per year at GC then DVC is an obvious win for you - I would however question the value of spending that much on GF for so many years LOL

Yes it has been great - we enjoy the Grand. Why would you question the value of us spending $600/night at the Grand? Or for that matter any of the many guests that stay there. It’s a terrific place.
 
Yes it has been great - we enjoy the Grand. Why would you question the value of us spending $600/night at the Grand? Or for that matter any of the many guests that stay there. It’s a terrific place.

i totally agree , love the grand , I just never would be willing to pay rack rate for it.
 
Neither did we. $600 after tax isn’t rack rate.

and that works for you - no hard feelings. Ifirst stayed there is 2004 - $287 per night, and as recently as 2017 I want to say approx $350 per night with a Labor Day special , haven’t been able to secure DVC stay there with points. Like everything in life , everyone’s definition of value is different, but I still contend that true savings involves money that one would have spent , but didn’t have to. I know there are many , many folks before DVC were staying at moderates / values and bought DVC to upgrade to deluxe resorts for a similar amount of money , in fact the way Disney marketed DVC was exactly that pitch for many years - enjoy your membership
 
Never ever stayed in a moderate or deluxe before but did a few Dis value hotels and mainly stayed off site “for free” on collected points. When I bought DVC, it was worth it when I looked at potential resell value (minus commission and closing) of the contracts I bought and how much I bought them for. I bought 3 small contracts (one loaded) over 6 months, one small chunk at a time with a stash I had saved for my next preowned vehicle. (Almost halfway back up to savings and my old vehicle is still good to go!). I look at it as my car money is coming back to me one day at a ripe age and the cost is dues. I can get the dues discounted through gift cards and even recoup some through some creative ways.
When I bought, I didn’t calculate that way. I did it down to the penny for each point over the lifetime. Estimated the dues over the life & looked at the nightly rate on point charts. Actually, I calculated it ALL the ways and it still works out as a deal!
 
Does anyone track “savings” post purchase or is that just me? I’m curious to see if it ever saves us money and if so, when.

While we seemingly had a ton of variables going into the purchase decision, the post-purchase is rather simple. (Buy-in costs + annual dues - AP savings) / total nights stayed. I figure we need to get below our pre DVC + inflation average nightly rate (favorite pre-DVC was WL) before a savings is realized. I don’t want to get into investments and time value of money because I value my vacations and I’d vacation anyway.
 
Does anyone track “savings” post purchase or is that just me? I’m curious to see if it ever saves us money and if so, when.

While we seemingly had a ton of variables going into the purchase decision, the post-purchase is rather simple. (Buy-in costs + annual dues - AP savings) / total nights stayed. I figure we need to get below our pre DVC + inflation average nightly rate (favorite pre-DVC was WL) before a savings is realized. I don’t want to get into investments and time value of money because I value my vacations and I’d vacation anyway.
Pretty hard to do, IMO. Many (most?) of us go more often than we did prior to purchasing DVC. And we stay longer, book larger accommodations and spend more on meals & experiences. DVC hasn't really saved us a penny if we consider how much more we spend at Disney post-DVC than we ever did pre-DVC. :)
 
Pretty hard to do, IMO. Many (most?) of us go more often than we did prior to purchasing DVC. And we stay longer, book larger accommodations and spend more on meals & experiences. DVC hasn't really saved us a penny if we consider how much more we spend at Disney post-DVC than we ever did pre-DVC. :)

Completely Agee! It saved money only the first few years when I did one trip a year using my initial set of points. As soon as the first add on happened, we went underwater!
 
Does anyone track “savings” post purchase or is that just me? I’m curious to see if it ever saves us money and if so, when.

While we seemingly had a ton of variables going into the purchase decision, the post-purchase is rather simple. (Buy-in costs + annual dues - AP savings) / total nights stayed. I figure we need to get below our pre DVC + inflation average nightly rate (favorite pre-DVC was WL) before a savings is realized. I don’t want to get into investments and time value of money because I value my vacations and I’d vacation anyway.
Since we bought into DVC, we have tracked our original purchase price, closing costs, and annual Maintenance Fees. To date, we have paid an average of $12.39 per point. This means that for a Studio that is 15 points per night, we have paid $185.85 per night.

We also have kept track of what it would have cost if paying rack rate plus tax for those rooms. (We have not included parking fees.) To date, our savings have been 62.58%.
 















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