Corporal Punishment in Schools...

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? for ya'll. DH is looking to be hired with the IRS. To get us some better standing in "getting hired" he is wanting to say SURE..we will go anywhere in the US. (at least to get his foot in the door, and if we really hate a place possiably asking for relocation after a year or so)
BUT, recently, in an attempt to research a few cities that we could possiably go I have noticed that some states actually still allow Corporal Punishment!!!!! I was shocked and appaled to say the LEAST! 23 states to be exact.

Do you live in one of these states? Is it an issue for you? I don't want my daughter being hurt by ANYONE. Is there a way around this? Or do I have to tell DH that our country just got 23 states smaller??

:confused3
 
I live in Texas, and while our district does permit corporal punishment, parents have to sign a statement declaring whether or not their child can be paddled. I filled out the form for "no paddling" and signed it in my daughter's first year of school, and it's been a non-issue since.

Actually, as far as I know, no one in our school has been paddled. Just because it is still legal, doesn't mean they actually still do it.
 
? for ya'll. DH is looking to be hired with the IRS. To get us some better standing in "getting hired" he is wanting to say SURE..we will go anywhere in the US. (at least to get his foot in the door, and if we really hate a place possiably asking for relocation after a year or so)
BUT, recently, in an attempt to research a few cities that we could possiably go I have noticed that some states actually still allow Corporal Punishment!!!!! I was shocked and appaled to say the LEAST! 23 states to be exact.

Do you live in one of these states? Is it an issue for you? I don't want my daughter being hurt by ANYONE. Is there a way around this? Or do I have to tell DH that our country just got 23 states smaller??

:confused3

My smart aleck response is for you to tell your daughter not to get into trouble........ Corporal punishment doesn't get applied unless a student exhibits bad behavior.....


I have lived in three states that theoretically have corporal punishment (AL, GA, and FL), and taught in two (AL and GA). In FL, where my wife works, corporal punishment is allowed, but is very rare. I think that only administrators can use it, and they basically use it as an alternative to suspension or if repeated suspensions don't work. Nowadays, the same applies in most states.

In any case, if you notify the school that corporal punishment is not an option, they will not administer it. They will suspend a misbehaving child instead.

IMHO, corporal punishment works great in quelling bad behavior in basically good kids. It worked wonders for me the two times I had gotten it in middle school.
 
Corporal punishment is allowed in Louisiana BUT unless a parent signs a permission slip it wont happen. I imagine it is like that in all the states.
I hope that the school understands also that they if They ever decided to spank my child.. that I would administering my own form of corporal punishment :rotfl:
I have never ever though heard of this being a problem in the schools here.
 

I have to say that I am shocked - had no idea. As far as it only being applied when deserved, I will not have anyone else decide when my child deserves to be hit. To me, that's ludicrous. They don't get hit at home, I'll be damned if it will happen at school! I think there is plenty of evidence that other means of disciplining a child are more effective when used properly than smacking them. Really. In the year 2007 this is the best we can do?? I have to say that I have NEVER stated my opinion this strongly on this board about ANYTHING, and I'm sure others will come out strong about how "useful" it is, but this is really disturbing to me. What parents choose to do at home with their kids within the bounds of the law is one thing. Handing that to someone else to administer in a school setting is quite another IMHO. At least you can "opt out", and it sounds like posters so far say it hasn't been a problem in practice, but I'm still shocked that the law is still there. Thanks to the OP - I'm glad I at least know this now.
 
I know that here in NC, or at least my part of the state, we do still have corporal punishment. Never heard of anyone getting paddled. I know I had to sign a form giving permission, understanding the policy etc. The school is required to call before paddling and my thoughts are it is a last ditch effort. You don't get paddled for talking to your friends. Plus, there are many warnings for the type of behavior that can lead to it.

Though I will get flamed, I am not sorry to say I signed the form. With my knowledge and if it has gotten to the point an administrator feels this punishment might make my child stand up and pay attention I don't really have a problem. Maybe I really don't have a problem with it because I know that my kids won't/don't have a problem with being a problem. Not sure if that made sense but... Again, I have never met a mother whose child has been paddled and never heard my children ever talking about someone getting paddled. I think the threat is enough. And no, we do not use corporal punishment at home as a practice. I can count on one hand the number of times I have raised my hand to one of my children and it had to be a pretty bad issues. And of all the times I raised my hand, my kids were all teens.

Kelly
 
Our area just changed the corporal punishment rule a few months ago!

I would be curious to see where it is actually enforced. I haven't heard of it being used.

Dawn
 
I am NOT against a "spank" on the bum or hand if DD is completely out of line (biting, hitting, throwing, etc - she's only 2 and sometimes, time outs have no impact AT ALL... anyway, I digress). BUT..... Only DH and I would get to decide when it was justified. Quite frankly, I have no idea if CP is allowed in PA (I'm guessing No since I don't remember anything about it as a child), but I agree with the PP, no one ELSE is going to make that decision for me. Just my opinion - but although I agree teachers/administrators need to also be seen as authority figures, I would not want them making that decision - I've heard too many "abuse of power" stories to ever be comfortable with that.

Just a quick story to share - in middle school my sister was having problems with a group of girls - they constantly picked on her in class / at recess, etc. One day, the group of them decided to trip her, hold her coat hood over her head and kick her while she was on the ground. Being quite the fighter, she made her way up, but was still being "held" (this was outside, and although she yelled, who in the heck knows where the teacher was). In order to get the girl to let her go, she punched her, in the face. My sister had a ring on and it cut the other girls face. Since they were both "fighting", both were suspended (of course, the other "holders" and "kickers" were never identified). Had the school used CP, that could have been the punishment and that would have been just plain wrong. So, on her "suspended" day, she and my mom went to get ice cream after lunch - my mom totally didn't support fighting, but you can't be a human punching bag either, and my mom knew that my sister wasn't the instigator because she had been coming home for weeks before that, crying some days because these girls were so mean. In the end, these girls never bothered her again, and probably b/c she fought back.

So, my point is - here is a situation where the PARENT was really in a better place to determine what the "punishment" should be.
 
Don't worry about it unless your child doesn't behave. I have no idea if our state does or not, but if my kids ever misbehave enough in school to need swatted they will be getting much worse at home! They aren't paddling for forgetting to raise your hand! It is for serious behavior cases and if it is what is needed to get the message across, since parents can't then I'm all for it.
 
We have corporal punishment here in NM. But, again, you can sign a form saying that you will not allow your child to be hit. I don't spank my kid, and neither can anyone else. But, that's my own deal.
 
I have to say that I am shocked - had no idea. As far as it only being applied when deserved, I will not have anyone else decide when my child deserves to be hit. To me, that's ludicrous. They don't get hit at home, I'll be damned if it will happen at school! I think there is plenty of evidence that other means of disciplining a child are more effective when used properly than smacking them.

Spanking, for certain misbehaviors, is the best punishment. It shouldn't be the only punishment used, and it should be used sparingly, but for certain things, it works well. It makes more of an impression than does other punishments that schools can apply. Suspension is not a punishment, for many kids. Detention is just as much of a punishment on parents as it is to kids.


Really. In the year 2007 this is the best we can do??
Sometimes, yes. Why give up on a means of punishment that has been used effectively for thousands of years...... I would venture to say that most school environments from 30 yrs ago, when corporal punishment was allowed, were much calmer and well behaved than current schools.


I have to say that I have NEVER stated my opinion this strongly on this board about ANYTHING, and I'm sure others will come out strong about how "useful" it is, but this is really disturbing to me. What parents choose to do at home with their kids within the bounds of the law is one thing. Handing that to someone else to administer in a school setting is quite another IMHO. At least you can "opt out", and it sounds like posters so far say it hasn't been a problem in practice, but I'm still shocked that the law is still there. Thanks to the OP - I'm glad I at least know this now.

Spanking was allowed in schools when I grew up (70s/early 80s). Parents even then, could opt out of spanking. Interesting thing, though, the kids who's parents opted out of spanking usually had worse behavior than the rest of us.
 
Spanking was allowed in schools when I grew up (70s/early 80s). Parents even then, could opt out of spanking. Interesting thing, though, the kids who's parents opted out of spanking usually had worse behavior than the rest of us.

That's interesting... I guess not too surprising upon reflection, though. Maybe it suggests that the law doesn't make sense to have on the books, then. If it can't be applied where some would say it would be most effective, maybe not worth it. :confused3 Again, just my opinion, of course.
 
Im all for spanking but I will do it no one else. Too many kids are out of control now a days so I can see a need for it in schools
 
I'll refrain from talking about my personal opinion on corporal punishment, since I don't think that's what you're asking. Alabama DOES allow it in our schools. We're asked to sign a consent form at the beginning of the year. If you don't sign it, that doesn't mean that there's no possiblity of it happening. I have 4 children and not one of them has ever had corporal punishment enforced at school. They're good kids, but not one of them is perfect and all but one of them has been in some minor trouble at school at one time or another. But we live by the rule that "you do your best in school" and we'll be fine with it. That means if they make a C in Math and we know they did their best, they won't get in trouble for it. However, I KNOW that they know how to behave and anything less than an A in conduct gets them in SERIOUS trouble.
 
My smart aleck response is for you to tell your daughter not to get into trouble........ Corporal punishment doesn't get applied unless a student exhibits bad behavior.....

IMHO, corporal punishment works great in quelling bad behavior in basically good kids. It worked wonders for me the two times I had gotten it in middle school.

Ummm...just how many times does one have to be "paddled" before it works wonders...seems the first time didn't work for you...you needed an additional paddling to get the point across? That must have been lovely for you...to have to submit to a humilation that does very little to curb inappropriate behaviors. Obviously getting smacked around didn't worry you enough not to keep it from happening again. Overwhelming statistics show that children who are spanked are more violent, have less problem solving skills and higher incidence of depression later in life. Children learn what they live. Quelling bad behavior in "basically good kids"...what does that even mean?!

children misbehave for many reasons and teaching them that making mistakes will result in violence being committed against them is outrageous. I don't agree with the "let them do as they please b/c they are children" school of thought either, but to support violence in any way is misguided and potentially dangerous.

To the OP, you need to check out theh schools you would be sending your daugther to and make it very clear what your wishes are in regards to discipline. GOOD LUCK!!!:)
 
I dont think we have it in pa i'll google it later... but I'd sign the form for yes.. most of the time the threat is all it takes to get my kids to listen... first is the corner for a time out... then the threat... MOST of the time the bad behavior stops there...
 
We have it in Tennessee, but you can sign a form saying yes or no, and even if you sign the form saying yes they will still call you before hand and let you know what happened and what the punishment will be and you can accept or decline. If you love the mountains, trees, rivers, and would like to be 2 hours from ATL, 1 1/2 hours from Knoxville, 3 hours from Nashville..check out Chattanooga, TN and surrounding areas!! If it weren't for my kids I would not choose to live here just because I am a beach girl and I am ready to move back, but I knew this was a good place to raise my children when I had them so that is why I am here....:goodvibes
 
Ummm...just how many times does one have to be "paddled" before it works wonders...seems the first time didn't work for you...you needed an additional paddling to get the point across?

Two different offenses, separated by two years time.



That must have been lovely for you...to have to submit to a humilation that does very little to curb inappropriate behaviors.

I will grant that it was humiliating. However, it did curb that particular behavior (the first time I was paddled was for being a smart aleck). I was never a smart aleck in the rest of my school career. The second was for talking at an inappropriate time. That I did do again, but not in that teacher's class.

Obviously getting smacked around didn't worry you enough not to keep it from happening again. Overwhelming statistics show that children who are spanked are more violent, have less problem solving skills and higher incidence of depression later in life.

Please show me these "overwhelming" statistics.

Also, from my perusing of the literature on corporal punishment, the problems that you state (violence, problem solving skills, and depression) are caused in "children who are spanked" is actually referring to children who are physically abused. The two groups are not the same. Most children who are spanked are not physically abused.

Also, when Sweden totally banned spanking in the early 1980s, they had three very negative results. The first is that major incidences of child abuse (i.e. the ones that required medical attention) went up greatly. Child on adult violence increased, and child on child violence increased. While Sweden wasn't violent before (and admittedly wasn't much more violent afterwards), it didn't become less violent due to the banning of spankings. It became slightly worse. Interestingly, in the same time period, those same statistics improved in the U.S.

Children learn what they live. Quelling bad behavior in "basically good kids"...what does that even mean?!

All kids exhibit bad behavior at times. If they don't, I would wonder what was wrong with them. Basically good kids are kids that have been given limits, and usually adhere to them. They sometimes need punishment (when they go over those limits), and spanking usually keeps them on the straight and narrow for quite a long time. I know I haven't been a smart aleck in front of an authority figure since I was 13.

children misbehave for many reasons and teaching them that making mistakes will result in violence being committed against them is outrageous. I don't agree with the "let them do as they please b/c they are children" school of thought either, but to support violence in any way is misguided and potentially dangerous.

Spanking is not violence. Violence is defined as physical force exerted for the purpose of violating, damaging, or abusing. Spanking is not violence, as it's purpose is to discourage bad behavior, not to damage or violate or abuse.

Also, don't think that I use spanking as the main way I mold my kids' behavior. It is the last resort, and primarily when other methods don't work. Praise of appropriate behavior is the best way to produce good kids, and is the one I use the most. Sometimes, though, it doesn't work, and consequences need to be applied. Timeouts, groundings, etc. are used, but they don't always work either.
 
I'll just say that as an adult, when I make a mistake, I don't get hit. If I get pulled over for speeding, I'm not hit, I'm fined. If a cop did hit me, I'd be filing a complaint and possible law suit.

I don't hit my kids either. When it first arose, I was also in the middle of trying to teach my then 2yo not to hit. How could I hit him and then tell him he couldn't hit others? I am also getting compliments on how exteremly well behaved my kids are all the time--and they really are for the most part, not that they don't have their moments. All without spanking.

If you want to spank your child, I'm fine with that. That's your parenting choice. I understand why some people do chose to use spanking. For me though, it's only a temptation when my frustration level is high, and even most pro-spankers say that is not when you spank. Just like they say that you don't spank a child under the age of 3 because they don't have impulse control.

Now, as far as corporal punishment goes. We have it here. We do have a form at the beginning of the year that lets you opt-out of it. Which I did. Even if I were to spank, I will decide if and when it is necessary. Being a smart aleck isn't a hittable offense imo.

I can tell you that when corporal punishment happens, it happens in the principal office. I do know a couple of people in high school that were swatted with that big old wooden paddle. Our principal at the elementary school, however, wouldn't use it. He personally doesn't hit his kids and he isn't about to hit anyone else's. He's actually found that other punishments (alternative school) work much better in the schools were he's been at than where it was implemented.
 
I was paddled in the 2nd grade. Want to know what for? I had my crayons out on my desk before noon. Yep, that's IT. The teacher (who was about 1,000 years old) had all these really stupid rules. One of them was that you could not have your crayons out before noon. I was digging in my desk to get out a book and placed my crayons on my desk to get them out of the way (I was NOT coloring with them). The teacher saw the box of crayons and that was it. The next thing I knew I was in the hallway getting paddled. Talk about complete humiliation. I was 7 years old! My mother was LIVID and wanted to go to school. I begged her not to because I was so afraid of the teacher. Now that's effective discipline. Control the kids using fear...NICE...
So...If you want to know my opinion of CP, I'm COMPLETELY AGAINST IT. No way am I going to leave it up to some teacher or school administrator to decide what is a "paddle-worthy" infraction and what isn't. No one has the right to lay a hand on my child...and I honestly feel that it would be a betrayal of their trust for me to give a school permission for them to hit my child. I'm here to protect them...PERIOD.
So anyway, IMO if you end up in a state that allows it, be sure to have your NO WAY IN HELL ARE YOU SPANKING MY KID forms on file. Please pardon the H-word.
 





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