Corey glad you mentioned the GAC abuse.

"At this point i have a non visible handicap, nobody could see that i have low vision (you could only noticed when i bumped into you)."


That still wouldn't give it away at Disney. You can't convince me there are that many people with low vision bumping into me in July. ;)


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You are sooo right about that.
 
In some cases, CMs giving out GACs are not doing a good job about asking people what their needs are. The ADA says that accommodations are to be made based on needs - not just a 'one size fits all' accommodation.
Most GACs allow use of things like a quieter place to wait, a place out of the sun to wait or using a stroller as a wheelchair. MOST do not shorten or eliminate waiting in line.
WDW's own rules say that people who use a wheelchair or ECV don't need a GAC. Just having a wheelchair, ECV or visible mobility need will allow the person to use the accessible entrance (which in most cases, is the regular entrance/waiting area).
The GAC also has printed right on it that it is not meant to allow immediate access and that if you want to avoid waits, you should use Disney's Fastpass system. Some people are so 'me centered' though that they make a scene when they don't get what they want. We were actually waiting in line behind some other groups with disabilities when a man came up to the CM and demanded to be put on the attraction right away because "I have a disability and this card says you need to let me in right away."
He was loud, pushy and would not listen to the CM who explained the rest of us with disabilities were waiting and he would need to wait behind us. He refused, got louder and should probably ended up kicked out of the park. What actually happened was that he got to ride ahead of all of us people waiting (and some had already been waiting for almost the same amount of time as if we had been in the 'regular' line, so by the time we got on, our wait was longer than if we had not needed to wait in the accessible boarding area).
This sounds like a situation like the person who wrote originally about GAC was talking about. I'm sorry that I did not hear the podcast before replying - I was replying to things people posted on this thread.


Thanks for clearing it up. I know that in the podcast Corey mentioned something about fastpasses and not just getting in with the GAC. Since I've never needed a GAC, I'm not aware how they work. The main point (and I think you've done a great job of adding facts) that I wanted to get across for those who hadn't listened was that Corey wasn't saying anything about who or who should not use them.
 
Thanks for clearing it up. I know that in the podcast Corey mentioned something about fastpasses and not just getting in with the GAC. Since I've never needed a GAC, I'm not aware how they work. The main point (and I think you've done a great job of adding facts) that I wanted to get across for those who hadn't listened was that Corey wasn't saying anything about who or who should not use them.
You're welcome.
I think there are probably 2 things WDW will be cracking down on (just my guesses).
1) No longer allowing more than 6 people total to use whatever accommodations are listed on the GAC. I think (but, don't know), that in some cases people were able to intimidate attraction CMs into letting more people in than the number listed on their GAC. (Or, CMs in Guest Relations were intimidated into writing a much larger number. OR guests altered the number after it was written).

2) No longer allowing CMs to be intimidated into giving accommodations that are not listed on the card. I have actually seen/heard someone arguing with a CM because they wanted to use the Fastpass Line - it was evening and their GAC allowed for a wait out of the sun when the queue was in the sun for extended periods of time. The person was really loud and the CM just kept saying, "Sir, the sun is not even out."

One of the myths (besides the myth that there are wheelchair entrances where people using wheelchairs get in without waiting) is that having a GAC allows people to use the Fastpass line.
The thing people don't understand is that a GACs are not passes. They are just tools that help to tell the CM what kinds of accommodations the person with the card needs. In most cases, people just need small accommodations and only a very few need any kind of expedited access.
I know in the past, the CMs giving out GACs in Guest Relations actually explained how to use it; letting people know that not every accommodation is available at every attraction, advising people to get Fastpasses to avoid waits in line, letting them know that the GAC was not meant to shorten or eliminate waits in line, advising people to look at the Standby line and that using it might meet their needs. They also gave out a Guidebook for Guests with Disabilities and pointed out that it lists how to access attractions/where the handicapped entrance is (in most cases, it says "Obtain a Fastpass or use the Stand-by queue").
I hope they start doing those things again.

I also hope that CMs explain to guests when they are doing something that is not 'standard'. For example, last October we were going to enter the Standby Line for Buzz Lightyear with DD in her wheelchair. The Standby Line was only a 5 minute wait, but the CM stopped us and sent us to the Fastpass Line. The CM there made a handwritten Fastpass and told us to give it to the CM collecting them. She did not say anything that would indicate to us that this was not the 'normal' way to get in with a wheelchair.
Because we have been to WDW so many times, I knew why they had done it that way though - since the Standby wait was so short and the Standby line is more curvy than the Fastpass line, if we went in the Standby line, we would actually be slowing the passage of guests moving thru that line. Putting us thru the Fastpass line in this case would not really put us on any faster (especially since we had to wait for a wheelchair accessible ride car). We happened to have a wheelchair, but the same thing can happen with a GAC - because it's better for 'traffic flow' or how the attraction is right then, the CM may do something 'non-standard'. (That doesn't mean it's wrong, just that it is not the usual, day to day way that access is handled).

The problem comes when people who don't know think this is 'normal' and think that they should be using every Fastpass line. Some of them just present themselves at the Fastpass line and expect to get in. Some are very vocal about it and get abusive with the CM. Some have come to the disABILITIES Board in the past and explained that the CM was 'wrong' because they would not let them in the way that the other CM did.
That's something else I hope that WDW addresses.
 
I have to say I have rarely even noticed the use of the GAC cards while at Disney. While I am sure there are people who do abuse the cards, just as people abuse just about anything to one extent or another, I suspect is is a rarity and would never accuse anyone of it. If a family needs a little extra help to allow them to enjoy the parks I will gladly wait an extra 5 minutes. I would rather be glad I don't need it than moan about those that do. I suspect that those who do need the cards would glady trade their place in line for my ability to wait in it.

Having a mother who is wheelchair dependent, I can say that FireDancer's take on the subject is dead-on. Most would happily trade places. Thanks for considering others' situations. That can be surprisingly rare in public places.
 













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