Convince me to buy into DVC, please.

palmtreegirl

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I keep going back and forth between yes, we should join and no, it's not worth it. Could you all please overwhelm me with good reasons to join?

Here's some backround info on our vacation habits to WDW. We're a family of four who loves to go to WDW at least once year. And as the kids get older will most likely vacation during the more peak times.

We probably won't go back to a value resort, even though we enjoyed them. For future trips we'll probably go deluxe with a moderate thrown in once and awhile.

I think what's thrown me is that it's such a large amount of money to spend up front. I know that $$ wise it's a good deal but then I start thinking but what if we always use an AP rate and stuff like that. We're not going to finance it and I guess it's the idea of spending the money making me nervous.

We can only afford a 150 point contract right now and that doesn't get us alot of time, does it? I guess we could always add points on through the years till we could eventually swing a 2 bedroom at peak time for when the kids are older. Right now we'd love a 1 bedroom but I guess we'd have to settle on a studio which is OK.

How do those of you with 150 points go for longer trips, do you split the time between a regular resort room and DVC?

UGH, I'm so torn over this decision, just brain wash me to join, OK? ;)
 
we have 150 points, are a family of 3, and it works just fine for us. we stay at DVC Sunday through Friday and almost always a studio. we get upwards of 15 nights/year doing that travelling during off peak times. we have stayed in a 1 bedroom at HH as it was cheap when we went. we just banked the 146 points we have remaining this year since we don't plan to go back until next year. since we'll have close to 300 points for next year, we'll probably get a one bedroom some of the time.

when we go to WDW, we are there for WDW and not to sit around in the room - but that's just us. considering the studios alone go for $200 to $250 or more a night for cash, in 3 short years, our membership has already paid for itself. if you already go once a year and you intend to continue doing that, it's probably worth it for you. but remember,over the years, the annual dues will end up costing even more than the initial purchase price.

good luck in your decision.
 
You can always rent points and try out the resorts for yourslef to see how you like them. We really like the kitchen option, and separate bedroom. Try it out for yourself. Renting is a great value.
 
We started with 150 points in 96 (have just added on 56 more). DH and I have a DS (19 months) and we've found that 150 points was enough for some very nice vacations. Sometimes we do studios, but more often than not it's one or two bedrooms. We avoid the weekends and prefer to travel in off periods so the parks are less crowded. We average about 10 nights a year at DVC (we also travel to Vero, where we normally stay in studios). The key to making 150 points work, I think, is to stay away from the weekends (or just stay in studios and switch.)
 

Originally posted by palmtreegirl


Here's some backround info on our vacation habits to WDW. We're a family of four who loves to go to WDW at least once year. And as the kids get older will most likely vacation during the more peak times.

We probably won't go back to a value resort, even though we enjoyed them. For future trips we'll probably go deluxe with a moderate thrown in once and awhile.

I think what's thrown me is that it's such a large amount of money to spend up front. I know that $$ wise it's a good deal but then I start thinking but what if we always use an AP rate and stuff like that. We're not going to finance it and I guess it's the idea of spending the money making me nervous.
between a regular resort room and DVC?

UGH, I'm so torn over this decision, just brain wash me to join, OK? ;)

No need to be brainwashed...this is a lot of money, so you're right to carefully consider your options and seek opinions. Most people here have been bitten by the Disney bug, and are extremely happy with DVC.

With your vacation habits, you are probably a good candidate for DVC...especially since you don't think you will be staying at the value resorts anymore.

As for the AP discounts....they have not always been as steep as they are now, and might not be in the future. WDW is still trying to recover from the 9/11 and airline fiasco...so they're discounting rooms. There's no reason to think that will continue for the next 39 years.

Good luck in your decision, and ask lots of questions. :)
 
As someone mentioned already, try renting out some DVC points from an existing member and seeing how well it goes. I guarantee you that your family will not want to stay in anything but a 1BR at any of the wonderful spots the "World" has to offer. When renting points, you basically spend about $10/point (going rate these days) and if you are staying for a typical Sun-Thurs stay, you are looking at a total of no more than $950 for all 5 days in a DVC studio! If you go during a "slower" time of the year (different point values for different seasons) then you are looking at a figure as low as $400 for the 5 days in a DVC studio! Where can you get a deluxe or moderate (let alone a value!) resort for less than that? That's $80/night!

I mentioned a "typical" Sun-Thurs stay. If you want to "stretch" your points a bit, always plan for a DVC stay during Sun-Thurs (those are the least "expensive" as far as points go) and maybe just a moderate resort for those Friday/Saturday stays if you wanted to extend your vacation.

If you are concerned about "only" having 150 points, then look for a resale contract with banked points. My family and I only will typically need about 90 points per trip and I was looking for a contract in the 100 point range. Well, I found a contract which was 75 points...at first, doesn't seem like a great deal for us....but, the contract had all of the previous year's points banked which gives us 150 up-front points! With that, I will only use 90 points, bank the rest and use 90 next year and so on. If, we stay the course that way, we have enough points (without borrowing or adding-on) to last us for 5 years!

These are only a couple of the "concerns" that you brought up. But, the places are so much more wonderful than you imagine that it will spoil you and you'll never go back for anything less again! Good luck with your decision making and always look out for those resale deals rather than just thinking you'd have to purchase from Disney direct.

In case you wanted the information on where to start looking for resale contracts, here are the 3 major resellers and their website addresses....

Shontell -- www.DVCByResale.com
Jaki -- www.atimeshare.com/disney/
Pat -- www.dvc-resales.com/

There might be a couple of others here and there, but these are the ones that look out for their customers the most. If you need any other help, just ask.
 
Just a suggestion. Have you tried my DVCPLanner program? It's specifically designed to help 'play with points', and much more convenient than using point charts. With just a few simple clicks you can compare all resorts, and all room types for any dates you might choose.

It'll help give you a good idea of what 150 points can do for you.

(you can click on the link in the signature block below.)
 
The question of whether it's a good deal to buy into DVC is always and interesting one because it is so, so personal. In my mind there are several elements that we all factor into the equation.

1. Do you really like WDW enough to go back at least once every one to three years? You already know the answer to this one.

2. Do you prefer to stay on site?

3. What type of accomodations do you, or will you, typically rent? Here is looks as if you are stepping up from the value resorts probably to moderates. DVC studios are superior to the moderates that's for sure.

3. How much do you currently spend while at WDW each trip? Don't just factor in lodging but look at all the expected traditional things you spend money one. I say this because in looking at DVC you may find that you don't have to eat meals out as often and this is something that could impact a decision to buy.

3. How much will it cost to buy the minimum number of points?

4. Compare what you are currently paying with what you estimate it will cost to buy into DVC.

How many nights will the minimum get you at each resort for each type of accomodation? (Caskbill planner is a good way to examine this one.)

5. After comparing costs can you afford to buy DVC? Or looked at another way, can you afford not to buy into DVC?

This is an emotional decision as in "we really love WDW and plan on going back as often as possible" but it's also a financial decision. I'm betting that as you sit down and really examine all of the +'s and -'s the decision may seem pretty obvious.

In closing, if what you expect to pay each year is less than what it will average out with DVC then in my mind it's a no brainer. Put another way, if the cost is less and you currently find the cash to go each year then I would say go for it. But, don't put yourself in a financial bind.

I hope this helps some.
 
Palmtreegirl,

I had the same hesitations that you are having. Finally, here is how I convinced myself to take the plunge.

When we bought into DVC last year it cost us $80/pt. We bought the minimum of 150 pts, so total up front cost was 12,000. At that time we still had 40 years left on our contract. I took 40 years and multiplied it out by the max. # of points we could use in a year and came up with a total # of points for the life of the contract as being 6,000. Thus, I came out with an average cost over the lifetime of the contract as $2 per point.

We didn't use our points last year so we banked all 150 and combined them with this year's points. We are staying for 9 nights in early December for 222 pts in a 1 bdrm at BCV. Taking my $2/pt cost that is $444 for the room for 9 nights plus our annual dues of 620 something. So...in essence we are getting a 1 bedroom condo with a full kitchen for approx 1,064 for nine nights. I'd seriously doubt you're going to be able to find that same room for close to that price.

The only problem is that your park passes are not included, but if you structure your vacations right and buy APs, you can certainly stretch your dollars pretty well.

The way I figure it. With banking our 1st years points, we are going to be able to go for 9 nights in a 1br this year, and 7 nights in a 1 br the next three years after that with our allotment of 150 pts (off peak of course).

Brian
 
We are low-point owners (150 at BCV). We started with the minimum for 2 reasons. First, we were not sure if we wanted to commit to annual trips and hope every 1.5 to 2 years is enough. Second, this gives us an opportunity to check things out and we can add on if we decide to later as our family grows.

We bought last summer and have not taken our first trip yet. We will go in early December for Saturday-Friday (6 nights) in a 2brm for 210 points. Then, next year we will go in October or November for about 6 days again. With banking ahead, this is easily accomplished. And, we will make use of annual passes to cover both trips. Our plan is to then skip a year and repeat.

*in a whisper* It's not talked about much on this board, but resale value was an important consideration for me. If we decide we don't want to (or can't afford to) take regular trips to Orlando, we would be able to mostly recoup our initial investment or even possibly more. I first started learning about DVC in 2000 and have watched the price climb about 30% in that time. Even though I have owned for only a year, the resale prices are catching up to my original purchase price through Disney. This is extremely rare in the timeshare world and should tell you a lot about the quality of DVC's program. *end of whisper*

Like so many others, I only wish I would have bought sooner!!!

Best of luck with your decision!
 
We originally bought 175, with the idea that we would (a) mainly take our trips in off-season (like January) and (b) only stay from Sunday to Friday (skip the costly wkends). We calculated our need based on a 2 br, and visits every year.

And then we tested our theories and found out we were wrong! Once our kids started getting involved in things (not just school -- scouts, sports, academic teams, etc.), life got crazy for them AND dh and me (i.e., as leaders, coaches, volunteers, etc.) January just wasn't do-able. ALSO -- we found out that 5 days wasn't as nice for us as 10. (The drive alone from WV is less than lovely, so the fewer times we have to do that, the better, especially with the price of gas!) So we elected to do 10 days every other year instead of 5 every year, to make it more reasonable. THe last discovery was that we got VERY accustomed to that 2 br... and when family was invited, they ALWAYS came...and our nice big 2br lately is getting cramped! :( So we added on this year. Just enough to make things comfy again without making the dues too much higher.

If I had it to do over again, I would go re-sale. THere are so many good deals out there -- wow. BUt re-sale for the little add-ons just isn't worth it. DVC makes it so easy (too easy) to add-on. But if I were looking to make a purchase of 100 or more -- I'd definitely look at resale.

Cindy
 
After much research, I just recently made the decision to buy and am in the process of closing on a resale. Here's some conclusions I reached based on the research I've done (hopefully people with real-world experience can comment on the validity of all of this):

Negatives
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1. DVC is one of the more (probably the most) expensive timeshare plans. I feel comfortable making this statement, because I spent a LOT of time analyzing different plans.

2. Due to maintenance fees, with any timeshare you're locked into spending money every year on vacation whether you want to, or can afford to, or not. With 150 points, you'll be spending about $600 every year on maintenance fees. If that might be a problem, think twice.

3. All timeshare plans require significant planning to use effectively, compared to not having a timeshare. In order to stay exactly where you want to stay, you have to make plans far in advance. Last minute cancellations can result in a significant loss of timeshare value. You have to be sure to do any banking of points before the deadline.

Positives
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1. DVC is the only timeshare plan that lets you stay at Disney. Even though Interval International lists DVC resorts in their directory, it's next to impossible to trade into DVC (based on discussions I read on several timeshare message boards). And although many timeshares have locations close to Disney, we know better, right?

2. If you're definitely going to be spending money on a Disney vacation every year, and staying at the higher-end resorts, DVC is the cheapest way to do it.

3. DVC is one of the easiest and most flexible timeshare plans. For example, booking at the 11 month window, and probably up to just before the 7 month window, you have a very good chance of getting your home resort. It also sounds like the wait list works very well for most reservations within the 7 month window. Compare this with RCI, for example, where people talk about making reservations 2 years in advance to get what they want. Also, most other timeshares are geared toward 7-day vacations and often allow check-in on only one day of the week, usually Fri-Sun. Even other point systems aren't flexible with less-than-7-day reservations (with Worldmark, for example, you can do this only within 60 days of your check-in date). With DVC, you can check in when you want, for how many days you went, with no restrictions.

4. Having a kitchen in the room at Disney is going to be awesome. This is actually one of the biggest things that tipped me to the buy side. With a standard room, we almost never make it to early entry. Having breakast at the restaurants takes so long by the time you get seated, get your food, and pay the bill. We just never manage to get ourselves and our daughter up and dressed in time. Now that we'll be able to make our own breakfast in our room, you can look for us at the front of the early-entry lines :-)

5. 2-bedroom rooms are great for travelling with someone else. My daughter loves sharing space with her cousins or friends when we travel. But it's not always easy to get connecting "regular" rooms. With the 2-bedroom, my daughter (5-years old) gets the thrill of having a "sleepover" without the anxiety of being too far from Mommy and Daddy.

Not to take anything away from Caskbill's previously mentioned DVC planner, there's also an online planner right here. Just click "DVC Points Calculator" at the top of this forum to play with different rooms and dates to see how many points you need.

If the up-front money is an issue, one option is to buy a 100 point resale (I currently see 5 such contracts available on the various resale sites). Using Wilderness Lodge as an example, in "Magic Season" (next-to-highest season), you could stay in a studio every year for 5 nights, Saturday through Wednesday. Or you could stay every other year in a 1-bedroom for the same 5 nights. Many of the debates about whether to buy into DVC or not assume an "all or nothing" scenario (you either always use DVC or you never do). But just because you go to Disney every year doesn't mean you have to buy enough points to use DVC every year. Some years, discounts will be more readily available and you can bank your points and pay cash those years. You can also make fewer points work by splitting a vacation between DVC and non-DVC resorts. This is quite easy since, as other threads have mentioned, Disney will move your bags to another Disney resort for you. Animal Kingdom Lodge makes this work really well. Since the Animal Kingdom Park is kind of off on its own, staying at the lodge there for a couple of nights can cut down on shuttling around Disney. And there's nothing like having a Savannah View room for a couple of nights so that when the kids wake up in the morning they can look at the animals through the window or from the balcony instead of pulling you out of bed to get to a park. Early entry is great, but some mornings you just want to sleep in :-) In any event, when you later start needing a 2-bedroom, you could buy another 50-100 point resale (or add on through Disney).

On the other hand, if there's any way to swing a larger point contract, it can easily make sense to buy more points now than you actually need. You already stated, as many other threads have pointed out, that you will most likely end up needing more points as the kids get older. And a few years from now, the cost of points is more likely to be higher than lower. More points can also let you defray the cost of annual maintenance fees by taking someone to Disney with you and charging them a reasonable rate for the room. Some people don't like the idea of charging family members for DVC reservations. But in my case, my parents have stated they'd be more than happy to share a 2-bedroom and pay us $100 per night. Even though I'll probably charge them quite a bit less than that, it will still help to make the annual cost of vacations cheaper. And I have other relatives and friends eager to pay me for their own trips.

If you're not in a hurry to buy into DVC, you could also try to save a few hundred dollars buy bidding on some resales at a couple of bucks below the list price. Now seems to be a good time to do this. Several weeks ago, Disney bought a contract that I bid $72/point on. But the one I'm closing on now I got for $69/point. And other posts indicate resales recently going through for around $68 or $69 per point. If you're not in a hurry, you can afford to bid low and have Disney buy the contract a couple of times. Sooner or later Disney is bound to let a cheap one slip through.
 
Originally posted by DemoBri1
... Thus, I came out with an average cost over the lifetime of the contract as $2 per point ...

The $2 per point only factors in your original purchase price. Don't forget that you're also paying around $4 per point in maintenance every year. So, the way I figure it, my points cost me about $6 per point per year.

But even that is a good price, if you use your points wisely. For example, a studio at VWL on a weekday in mid-season at 13 points works out to $78 per night. That's about what the value resorts go for. Staying off-season at OKW for 8 points gets you down to $48 per night. That's probably cheaper than a Motel 6 along the highway. However, if you stay on a weekend during spring break at 43 points, you're paying $258 per night. At that price I start thinking the moderates aren't that bad after all.
 
Thank you to everyone for responding!!

rrobalew- Thank you so much for taking the time to explain all that in such detail, your post helped a lot!

Cindy(CK1)- Thank you! I think that what you described is going to happen to us! We're hoping to add on points through the years too.

Mouse Ears- Thank you! I'm sure I'll end up wishing we bought sooner too.

Brian(DemoBri1)- Thank you for breaking the cost down for me, it makes so much more sense when you look at it like that.

bcvillastwo- Thank you! I answered all your questions and when we looked at the numbers it did seem pretty obvious that DVC is the way to go!

Caskbill- Thank you!! I'm going to download your planner later, it looks great!

ArnyVee- Thank you for all the links!!

Granny- Thank you for pointing out that the AP rates might not always be around, we've come to take them for granted in recent years.

jodifla- Thank you!! I feel better about the 150 points after hearing it works well for others!

CaptainMidnight- Thank you! Having a kitchen sounds great!

SlyHubby- Thank you! Wow that's a lot of nights, makes the studios sound pretty good!
 
Fill me in as to the Annual Pass Discount. Is there some sort of discount available to DVC members for an annual pass? Or is there some sort of hotel discount available for annual pass holders?
 
Or is there some sort of hotel discount available for annual pass holders?

The last couple years there have been really great rates out for AP holders at the WDW resorts. But it seems that Disney is cutting back on these discounts since right now stays past the middle of August aren't yet avaiable with a discount.
 
The AP discount is applied to hotel costs by Disney for specific times of the year. The times, and amounts of the discount, will vary depending on what WDW needs to push for the specific period. There can be some very good deals made with the AP discounts if you have the flexability to plan your trip when their rates come out. Typically the rates are announced 60-90 days before they go into effect. Since most of us DVCers plan waaaay before that, these don't always do us, or at least me, much good.

HTH
Joe
 
Originally posted by rrobalew
The $2 per point only factors in your original purchase price. Don't forget that you're also paying around $4 per point in maintenance every year. So, the way I figure it, my points cost me about $6 per point per year.

Actually, I don't know why it comes out differently, but the $6/pt doesn't really equate. If you look at it this way:

@ $6/pt my 222 pt vacation this December would cost $1,332 in room fees.

@ $2/pt plus my maintenance fees for this year my 222 pt vacation would cost $444 + $628 for a total of $1,072.

I don't know why they are different, but I'm betting it has something to do with the fact that the $2/pt is over the 40 year lifetime of the contract and the $4 is yearly along with the fact that I am utilizing 222 points instead of my yearly 150 due to banking and borrowing.

Brian
 
I was not a big fan of Disney before staying on site with friends who had DVC at the Boardwalk. We stuffed 11 people into a 2 Bedroom and enjoyed every minute of it. This free trial was amazing. We bought about 10 months later on the resale market. We have now stayed once by ourselves and will take friends this year with our banked points. We go every other year and stay for 5 days (Sun-Thur). We get an offsite place before we stay at Disney since my wife and kids love Seaworld.

With the banking and renting priveleges, you have immense flexibility. My first vacation was paid for by DVC, so your concern over your purchase is overblown (as was mine). Here is my math:

1. Purchase a resale with banked points with a use year just prior to your planned primary travel time.

2. Use the banked points to set up a visit and then rent out the current use year points to someone else. @$10/pt, you can finance the tickets or airfare. We had a 150 point contract with 150 banked points. I rented out all of the banked points, got great airfare prices and still had money for tickets and covered our offsite stay at Seaworld. Since we ate mostly regular meals in our room, our food was not out of hand cost wise. After the 10 day trip, we could have sold our timeshare for about the same price we paid since people do not properly value banked points. They focus on the $/pt, not the current value of the banked points. On small contracts, this can be significant. I am considering buying another contract and letting the rental system pay for the points. At $900/year in net proceeds from renting, I could pay off a 150 pt contract in 11 years and still have 3 decades of use left.

3. After you get back from your trip, you will wonder one of two things: A> How do I get more points or B> I can't wait to plan my next vacation.

Good luck
 
Originally posted by DemoBri1
Actually, I don't know why it comes out differently...I'm betting it has something to do with the fact that the $2/pt is over the 40 year lifetime of the contract and the $4 is yearly along with the fact that I am utilizing 222 points instead of my yearly 150 due to banking and borrowing.

It's the fact that you're using 222 points but have a 150 point contract. Since you're using points from next year, you need to include part of the maintenance that you'll pay that year. Just think of it this way: Every year you pay $4 for each point you own. So if you move points from one year to another year, you should also move the cost of those points into that year when figuring the cost of your vacation.
 









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