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dabootie

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Now that Legacy FP has been gone for a while I'd like to ask those of you that have been to the world how your experience has changed? I know there are a fair amount of people who are adverse to change and those who were determined that FP+ would be detrimental.....but my question is more about how different a legacy free trip was for you and yours. More stress or more relaxed than your previous trips?

Did you spend more time together rather than one person always running off to get the next FP? Did you have a massively different trip to your previous ones? Did you see/find/experience things you'd missed before?

I'm interested to know whether people were surprised at how much or little time that they were in lines. Essentially what impact has the removal of Legacy FP had on you....truthful answers about how you spent your time please....not ones that just say it was worse because I couldn't ride TOT 10 times a day!
 
my question is more about how different a legacy free trip was for you and yours. More stress or more relaxed than your previous trips?

Not that really different. I probably walked less running around seeing FP return times.

It's just another variable that was factored into our planning. Same as if we went during a crowded month or heat vs cold.

The experience will only be drastically different if you do not prepare for the changes.
 
Now that Legacy FP has been gone for a while I'd like to ask those of you that have been to the world how your experience has changed? I know there are a fair amount of people who are adverse to change and those who were determined that FP+ would be detrimental.....but my question is more about how different a legacy free trip was for you and yours. More stress or more relaxed than your previous trips?

Did you spend more time together rather than one person always running off to get the next FP? Did you have a massively different trip to your previous ones? Did you see/find/experience things you'd missed before?

I'm interested to know whether people were surprised at how much or little time that they were in lines. Essentially what impact has the removal of Legacy FP had on you....truthful answers about how you spent your time please....not ones that just say it was worse because I couldn't ride TOT 10 times a day!

Tbh it sounds like you only want positive replies...

We didn't always have one person running off for FPs. We used to go early, do EMH when necessary and stay late. We were hoppers and part of our park days was a break in the afternoon. So FP- was not a required element of our touring strategy.

We spent more time criss crossing the park than ever before on days where we missed a FP window. For example, on one occasion we got to new FL from AL to find that they were testing 7DMR and it was all shut down. We had to reschedule 2 FPs. So we ended up at TL for Buzz next instead of going there on our way out. Then back to FL for BTMRR. While our original plan would have worked well, dealing with issues outside of our control made it a very un-magical evening.

We were also thrown off by unpredictable SB lines ie. because FP+ has priority, and the length of the FP return lines. It didn't make or break us, but I think it's something people need to consider when planning out their days. We did like being able to get a FP for things like fireworks and used one for F!. We also liked the wait times in MDE, when the wifi was working, and found that saved us more time than anything to do with FP+

We have decided to save our money and not hop next year. If you only have 6 hours to spend in a park, it might not give you enough time to change things around without creating chaos. At one point my DD said "let's just not use them" So we ditched them for the night and went to eat supper... at 8 pm.
 
I don’t think our touring changed much on our most recent trip. It was a more crowded week then we are used to so it’s hard to say if the lines were any longer than usual.

It was really nice having a FP+ for Soarin’ and Toy Story before we even got there so we didn’t have to race through the park to get fastpasses or just skip the rides altogether.

At times FP+ was a little frustrating when you get to your FP+ time and the standby is 10 minutes. When this happened, sometimes we would just ride the attraction twice in a row, once standby and then use FP+ or we would try to change the FP+ experience but that didn’t always work because there weren’t any good FP+’s left. A couple of times, the line to the first FP+ checkpoint, just to enter the FP line, was long but then they started only scanning one persons band per party so the line move quickly.

It’s a bit of a pain when you want to change parks altogether and you have to cancel all your FP+ and hope for the best when you re-select FP+ in a different park. We did this first thing in the morning and were happy with our selections.

There were times when the app was extra slow or seemed to be down. We got in the habit of taking a picture of our FP+ selections so we would have it just in case the system went down. For some reason, I always had to scan my band twice….it would never read the first time.

There were odd glitches with the system. On day 4, my password stopped working….it was not recognizing the special character in my password. I just figured the glitch would work itself out and relied on DH’s login. I didn’t want to spend time on the phone with tech support trying to fix it while on vacation. After a couple of days, I still could not login so for some reason DH tried logging in as me on his laptop and my password worked so he tried to change my password but when you change the password, you need to re-enter your old password first and it didn’t recognize the special character in my password so he couldn’t change my password….never mind that he was logged in with that password. :confused3 About a week and a half after returning home, I was able to login with my password.

The other weird glitch happened when I went to MK by myself while DH and DD7 went to DisneyQuest….this was the evening of day 4 and may or may not be related to the above glitch. I scanned my band once and it didn’t read, which was normal for me apparently, but then the second time it didn’t read so a CM pulled me aside. She had a hand held scanner and an IPad. She scanned my band and said to me that the band is not my band. :scared1: I said yes it was and she said no it is not. :scared1: I told her that my band was green, DH’s was blue and DD’s is yellow so I didn’t have them mixed up because I was wearing green. She then asked me who *** was and I said he is my DH. She asked where he was and I said he and DD were at DisneyQuest and she also asked where we went that morning. She finally said that she will let me in THIS TIME but my band is connected to DH’s annual pass. :confused3 I wasn’t happy with this so I went to GS to see what the problem is and they said everything looked fine to them.
 

Now that Legacy FP has been gone for a while I'd like to ask those of you that have been to the world how your experience has changed? I know there are a fair amount of people who are adverse to change and those who were determined that FP+ would be detrimental.....but my question is more about how different a legacy free trip was for you and yours. More stress or more relaxed than your previous trips?

Did you spend more time together rather than one person always running off to get the next FP? Did you have a massively different trip to your previous ones? Did you see/find/experience things you'd missed before?

I'm interested to know whether people were surprised at how much or little time that they were in lines. Essentially what impact has the removal of Legacy FP had on you....truthful answers about how you spent your time please....not ones that just say it was worse because I couldn't ride TOT 10 times a day!

Sounds like you only want positive answers from your adverse to change and determined FP+ would be detrimental comment. But anyways...

Overall it was a different trip. I wouldn't call it a bad trip but it was definitely different in terms of park touring. We did find it to be more stressful. That was brought on by the limits placed on FP+. We felt like we had to keep close watch of our pre-made schedule because it felt like a huge waste to miss the FP+ times since we get so few. It was much more "painful" to miss a FP+ time than a FP- time. FP+ also made us feel more relaxed because of already having some of our FP when we walked through the gates, but again, overall we felt it was more stressful.

We rode less and repeated less, no question. There is not much we are willing to wait 30+ minutes for. In this area though, we weren't really upset with that because this trip was also the first we took with our son. He wasn't the reason we were missing things, but we were more content to spend time walking around, meeting characters, or hanging by the pool than we would have been on a child free trip.

One park we found FP+ works really nice for is AK, which is probably not a huge surprise. Until they add Avatarland, FP+ is made for that park. 3 FP+ is all you need there (really all we needed was 2) and it frees up your time to roam around exploring the park. I'm ashamed to say we had never actually walked the trails there before! If you aren't using your FP+ somewhere else on your AK days, it makes that park super easy. The other 3 parks were almost the exact opposite situation.

In conclusion, FP+ is super awesome great wonderful on days you don't enter the parks until late, or don't care to see much more than 3 attractions. One day we walked into Epcot at 7 and it was our first park of the day. Used a FP+ for Soarin' and then wandered WS and watched Illuminations. FP+ is not super awesome great wonderful on days you want to spend extended time in the parks and want to hit up lots of attractions. It does change a lot if you were used to using legacy to it's full potential before.
 
It didn't change our touring that much at all. We still got to the parks around opening (usually just after) but we didn't worry about where to go for a FP first. We knew when we needed to be in certain areas and worked our way around the park with a lot less criss-crossing than previous trips. I liked the system. Sure, I'd love more FP, but we got by fine with three and didn't find the other lines so long that we couldn't find something to do without a long wait. (We went in Dec). The best thing was that on our first day we got to the parks at 1pm (DHS) and knew that we'd be able to do the headliners and not worry that FP were gone.
 
I don't understand the comment that people are adverse to change and that is the reason for the negativity.

I loved moving over to FP- from long SB lines and I am over the moon to have CC's attached ADR's. I just moved Le Cellier lunch from Good Friday (duh, steak?) to Wednesday of Easter week. Never, would have happen in the past with people making duplicate reservations or so many no-shows.

Planning this vacation has been much more stressful using FP+. No I haven't actually been there, but I know that FP- didn't start until after 9 so if you got there at RD for Soarin' you could get on and out in under an hour. Now there are FP+ scheduled between 9-10. With more and more people able to schedule FP+ eventually it WILL fill between 9-10 so before the park even opens in peak season Soarin' will open up with a long SB line.

At least no one has been equated USING FP- with ABUSING FP-. The negativity toward people that want to ride their favorite ride more than once is confusing.:confused3
 
Regarding just the FP+, here is my experience.
-I didn't like having to plan so far in advance. You can make changes last minute, but for the headliners that is not really an option the same day. That resulted sometimes we had to choose between going to the ride or going back to the hotel to nap.
-For whatever reason seem like the wait times are not as accurate. We will end up going and waiting double the time posted (regular lines).
-The walking around the parks is about the same because sometimes things took more/less time and we will have to go to our FP reservation.
-If you are there at RD everything should be pretty much the same. We were able to get in most rides with little to no wait. We were able to ride soaring, SM, EE with no wait multiple times at RD.
-We were able to sleep in one day and were still able to ride all the headliners (HS).
-The app can be slow at times.
-Certain rides will have a longer wait times now, like pirates.
-Sometimes lines are created outside the FP line, but they go fast. In most cases we saw, they were trying to use their FP too early or trying to use it multiple times. So the CM has to figure it out before the next person can scan the band.
-Surprisingly it seem that it reduce people cutting in line. We didn't had anyone coming to meet their party this trip!
It is really about the same. I think the major difference is that FP can be gone before the park even opens, but as always as long as you plan ahead you should be fine.
 
I found the planning more stressful than planning the vacation in the past. Trying to figure out where in the park i'd be and when, and how I was going to tour, in advance, without knowing how crowded the park was going to be or what lines were going to be like made me feel stressed. I over-thought each decision.

In the end, the crowds seemed heavier than we'd expected, per several crowd calendars, the lines seemed longer than I remember them being. Much longer. We rode fewer rides. Walked around more. Still had fun, but there seemed to be less flexibility overall. There weren't too many rides with short SB times that you could hop on and ride. At times, the wait for Pirates was over an hour, in February.

I think that having FP on rides that don't really need FP artificially beef up the SB lines as one whole side of Pirates was FP+ only. BTMRR had SB wait times that I only remember seeing when I was a kid. Or when one side was down. But over an hour for BTMRR all day long seemed abnormal. Or possibly the new normal. I dont know.

Overall we had a good time, and our experience wasn't negative. But I think that the planning was more stressful, and I also think that I crisscrossed the park more than usual. But I can't be sure of that.
 
I think everything will depend on the crowd level when you go. If you going over Columbus day weekend it will be vastly differenet than if it is during the last week or first week in October.

One trip every year would be the first full week of December after Thanksgiving. Crowd level would be 1-2 and everything was a walk on. We only needed FP-on the weekend.
 
Here are the changes that we observed. And I am not editorializing here. You can take these changes as good or bad as you see fit. And note that this all pertained to a very busy holiday weekend where park levels were 8-9.

More stress or more relaxed than your previous trips?
More stress. We stayed at the Dolphin and were not permitted to pre-book. So my prediction was that we would have to arrive early at the parks in order to obtain usable FP+ times. And we would have to arrive early to get our FPs before untenable lines built up at the kiosks. We were correct on both counts. FPs for prime attractions were gone by mid-morning, and desireable return times were gone earlier than that. (I am defining a "desireable return time to be one that is not "first thing in the morning" when FPs aren't really needed; not during dinner hours when we have ADRs; and not late at night when FPs aren't needed). And the kiosk lines were a nighmare by 10:00-10:30. So we arrived at Rope Drop to avoid all of that nonesense. But that said, by arriving at Rope Drop, things worked out beautifully. We never waited in a long kiosk line and got 14 out of the 15 FPs that we wanted. Belle was gone even at Rope Drop.

It was also more stressful because we are/were "one in a while" Rope Drop people. Over the course of a 5 day vacation, we migh RD twice. But for the reasons stated above, we RD'ed every day. That was our choice, granted. But 5 straight Rope Drops started to take its toll on family harmony.

Did you spend more time together rather than one person always running off to get the next FP?
I'll never quite understand this. Who did this consistently? In literally hundreds of cumulative days at the various parks, I can recall doing this once in my life, and that was right after Everest opened. My wife like to do the Safari first thing, and I was worried that FP lines for Everest would be like getting one for TSM, so my wife and daughter went straight to the Safari while I ran to Evererst, got our Fast Passes, and then ran to the Safari to meet them at the line entrance. Hot. Sweaty. Out of breath. And I never did it again. I have used hundreds of FPs in my life, and those were the only ones that I ran to get and the only time that I separated from my family except at other "logical times" like when the girls would go to the ladies room and I would say: "I'll hop over to Space Mountain to grab some FPs while you hit the restroom here in Tommorland". I don't consider that "running off to get a FP". Or perhaps I would give my wife my lunch order, and while she was in line at Pecos Bill's, I'd go over to Splash Mountain to get FPs and return to the table after she got our food. Again, I don't consider that "running around to get a FP".

And even if one wants to call it that, we did the same thing essentially when we got our FP+s. We didn't all wait in the kiosk/i-Pad lines. Only I did. So to the extent that there was any "separation" before, it still exited under FP+.

Did you have a massively different trip to your previous ones? Did you see/find/experience things you'd missed before?
The biggest difference that we noted was that bue to tiering at Epcot and DHS, and due to our decision to make RD, we were largely pressed into hitting all the "major" attractions in the first hour and a half of park opening, with limited ability to repeat them later in the day except for what we obtained through FP+. So while previous trips might have seen us scattering headline attractions throughout the days, under FP+ coupled with Rope Drop, our days were more of the "rush around for headliners" in the early morning and then tour more slowly, seeing shows and lesser attractions as the day went on. That is not necessarily a bad thing. But it does make the day a bit of a decrescendo. To be fair, that was typically the way we would do Epcot, with the biggies early in the morning and the countries in the early to mid-afternoon. But instead of heading back to Future World later in the day for another round of biggies, we were only allowed to do one. So our trip back to Future World was a bit of a criss-cross with limited pay-off.

Where we really noticed the difference was at DHS. We had pretty much done what we wanted to and were allowed to do by 1:30 and had a difficult time filling the rest of the day wit stuff to do while we waited on our 7:00 dinner reservation. Before, we would have been doing another circuit of headliners in the late afternoon with FPs. This time, we found ourselves spending a lot of time wandering around and visiting One Man's Dream for more time than any human has ever visited before. And that was after seeing several shows that we were only moderately interested in (Indy), just to kill time. This new world order of knocking off headliners early in the day and then roaming around leisurely in the afternoon is going to take a bit of getting used to. My wife liked it for the most part. My daughter started to get bored.

I'm interested to know whether people were surprised at how much or little time that they were in lines.

Huge difference here. In the past, (with the exception of TSM), people didn't usually pull FPs for the 9:00-10:30 time period because you didn't need them then, and it was a bad idea to waste a FP to bypass a relatively small Standby line. But what we noticed is that people were reserving these times with FP+ (either on line because they didn't understand the strategy of getting FPs for later in the day) or because they were "day of" people who had no other choice. But every single day at Rope Drop, we witnessed people rushing through the FP+ return line for their "first ride of the day". And then the people just kept coming. When people discuss on this Board the notion that FPs for certain attractions will book solid, I think they lose sight of the fact that this means that the first two hours of the parks' operation are included in that calculus. That never happened before. Whereas FP people might return in dribs and drabs in the early morning hours, now, with all slots accounted for, people are returning to the FP+ return lines in as steady a stream at 9:30 as they are at 3:30. This means that early morning SB lines are getting cut of with people who have FP+ priority, and that simply didn't happen before. So Rope Drop is more important then ever, and the "RD effect" of smaller lines evaporates far more quickly than ever before. This was the single biggest difference that we noticed. We got into the Test Track line when the time board had just turned over from 20 to 30 minutes, and that was at 9:26 a.m. Our final wait time was 75 minutes and the ride did not break down during that time. The line did not extend out of the building and honestly looked like a 20-25 minute wait visually. But the steady stream of FP returnees turned this into a death march. In the past, the number of FP returnees that would have cut off the line at 9:30 could be counted on one hand. Now, they 9:30 hour is as solidly booked as the 2:30 hour.

Was our trip ruined? Not by a long stretch. But we have had to come to the conclusion that we must tour in one of two ways from now on. We either have to do what we did and Rope Drop every day in order to beat the crowds at attractions that we cannot Fast Pass. or else we will have to stay for many more days and spread our FPs out over time, conceding that we won't do every ride on every day. I have never, ever been to Epcot and not done both Soarin' and Test Track on the same day. Well, now I have and this may become the "new normal". On our last day, my daughter and I did a half day at Epcot while my wife packed. Noting our Test Track dilemma on our previous Epcot day, we decided to do an experiment where we got a FP for Test Track and ignored Soarin' altogether so as not to run into the same problem as before. We simply did not have the luxury of time to deal with a "surprise" 75 minute wait when the board said 20 or 30 minutes. By skipping Soarin' completely, we were able to get quite a bit done both before and after our 10:15 FP for Test Track. But the cost of doing so was skipping my daughter's favorite ride. So in the future, we are likely to tour Epcot in a whole new way, using two full days to see the park, getting a FP for Soarin' one day and Test Track the other, and completely ignoring the ride for which we do not have a FP. This is probably Disney's goal. Keep us on property for more days. And it just might work. The alternative is to do RD after RD, day after day, rushing around for the first 90 minutes like never before. i could do it and so could my daughter. But my wife would kill me.

Edit to add: I would also say that things were different in that for the most part, we waited in FP+ return lines in either make-shift ropes, or randomly outside of actual queue entrances. I hated the feel. I hated the visual. I hated what it did to the beauty of the parks. I hated what it did to traffic patterns. But did it change the way we toured? Not really. But it is a palpable differrence worth noting.

Sorry for the length, but it sounds as if you want a fulsome explanation of what people are witnessing, and those are my observations for what they are worth.
 
I've done two trips with magicbands and FP+. I know I'm in the minority here, but we loved it. We didn't utilize the legacy fastpass very much (if at all) because of having to criss-cross the parks to get them. Now, we set up our three and simply change them in the app. We don't generally park hop, so the one park limit doesn't affect us, but I can definitely understand the complaints from those who do. I think it will really come down to your specific touring style and whether the constraints of the FP+ system work for you.
 
I'd just like to thank those who have taken the time to reply. My question was in no way biased towards only wanting positive replies. I've never really been one for using FP's of the legacy or + kind. I am genuinely interested in how people feel their trips have been impacted.

I visited the world last week staying off site and used on day booking for MK only...the rest of the time I stood in SB lines or RD'd or single rider. As an on the day booker I had a 6 hour gap between my 2nd and 3rd FP+ so we hopped to another park for a while then came back. It was much busier than I expected and I was a little disappointed not to be able to ride Soarin more than once and the day I did do it the line was much longer than the posted 70 mins due to FP+ priority.

I can see both positives and negatives to FP+, none of us want an imposed limit put on us???whether we have historically used FP or not. What I'm looking forward to is my 14 nights in September where I can fully test out how F+ will impact our holiday.
 
One last thing. I want to clarify that we really found that Magic Bands were convenient. I wasn't looking forward to wearing one the whole week, but found that system to work well for us. We never really had a problem. Also, when the Little Mermaid ride went down and they didn't know for how long, they gave me a free fast pass to use on a different ride, at any point in the day after that. The CMs were told us to check MDE and it was there, and worked well.

I think the system itself can be good, but because of the way that FP has been expanded into rides that don't need it, it's creating SB lines that are way longer than they used to be.
 
Previous trips, party of 4, I was the FP runner. Liked that I could get Soarin' & several for Test Track on the same day.

This trip is just me and DS, so FP runner wouldn't have worked. Glad we are onsite for 1st time. Arrival day we had FPs in MK that evening. And today packed up the car, then took our time coming to AK.

I thought FP+ would ruin our trip, but it didn't.
 
The positives for us were:

1) Not having to have a runner and we could stay together
2) Not having to be up at rope drop
3) Being able to schedule fast passes for times when we previously wouldn't have gotten a fast pass (i.e. early to late evenings).

The negatives were:
1) The limit of three
2) Not being able to use FP+ in multiple parks on the same day as we normally visit two parks per day

This change certainly didn't ruin our vacation (and I am going back again in May) but it is a change. For us the rides aren't the be all end all to our vacation experience. The resort, pool, dining, etc. are also very important.
 
Does being averse to THIS change make one averse to all change?

I am excited about the new parade in the MK. That is a change. I loved the addition of Carsland at DLR. That was a really big change. But this change... not so much.
 
I think you mean Considerate

No. Considered is correct.

con·sid·ered
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adjective
1. thought about or decided upon with care: "a considered opinion".
 
Far superior experience with FP+. No running for Fastpasses, okay to sleep in and order room service and still get on the headliners, etc.
 


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