Confirmed New Security measures coming to Disney Parks

[rteetz]

And where do you put said cell phones and keys while going through the check point at Disney?
Does Paris move the same number of people in their park that MK does?

Nobody moves as many as MK. Mk is the most visited theme park in the world.

Anyways they usually have you put them in plastic bins like at the airport. Only difference is the bins don't go through scanners. Security will just look what is in the bin before giving it back.

 

[wilkeliza]

And where do you put said cell phones and keys while going through the check point at Disney?
Does Paris move the same number of people in their park that MK does?

At ballparks they just have you hold it in your hand.

edit to add this is at Citifield and MSG in NYC where you can hold phone and keys in hand. Sometimes Citi has you put it in a tray just depends on how many people they are trying to move through.

 

[AngiTN]

At ballparks they just have you hold it in your hand.

I'm lucky, the only 2 ball parks I go to on a regular basis haven't implemented these features.
LP Field and Neyland Stadium
We have bag checks but that's it. No metal detectors. No need to empty pockets.
And yes, I've been to both this year. We have season tickets

I still question how MK can move their guests through security measures mentioned in the rumor in an efficient manner on say, rope drop Christmas Day, or any day that week? Care to fathom a guess at how long it would take? I sure can't

I don't believe any of the parks mentioned above move the number of guests through that MK does, but I may well be wrong

 

[rteetz]

At ballparks they just have you hold it in your hand.

edit to add this is at Citifield and MSG in NYC where you can hold phone and keys in hand. Sometimes Citi has you put it in a tray just depends on how many people they are trying to move through.

Miller Park (Milwaukee Brewers) and The Bradley Center (Milwaukee Bucks) both have you put them in trays.

 

[Maxpowers]

With that in mind, I agree that WDW is private property and you need to respect their rules...I just feel like most people are going "Oh yes, please! Check everyone and everything, because that'll make us safer!" and it just isn't that way. But like someone else said, this isn't the board for that discussion really...

Makes me think of the John Oliver bit on misquoting memes (although yours is not misquoted, just out of context).

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http://www.definitelyrealquotes.com/

 

[rteetz]

According to WDWmagic these rumors might actually be true. Nothing official yet tho.

 

[Maxpowers]

I think the difference between MK and a sport stadium, is that the stadiums tend to have many more entrances as they only need to be tended on certain days. I don't really have a problem with a metal detector, aside from the longer wait to get in. As some have said before, it's private property, if you don't like the policy then don't go there.

 

[Ursula's Apprentice]

Makes me think of the John Oliver bit on misquoting memes (although yours is not misquoted, just out of context).

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http://www.definitelyrealquotes.com/

Thanks for the info! For the most part it got the point across tho, I feel. However, I'm really glad you shared that video, because I laughed my butt off! It's so true! So, thanks for that.

 

[Maxpowers]

Thanks for the info! For the most part it got the point across tho, I feel. However, I'm really glad you shared that video, because I laughed my butt off! It's so true! So, thanks for that.

I am guilty of sharing one of JO's fake meme's myself lolololol.

 

[tjkraz]

With that in mind, I agree that WDW is private property and you need to respect their rules...I just feel like most people are going "Oh yes, please! Check everyone and everything, because that'll make us safer!" and it just isn't that way. But like someone else said, this isn't the board for that discussion really...

Agreed it isn't going to stop a terrorist in any way. Those guys are going to know that there are back ups before security. Look at how many attacks happen in airports outside of the US. They have similar security as us but until you get past security nothing is secure.

I realize there is no easy answer to the question of "how much security is too much". However it seems ludicrous to suggest that enhanced security measures have not made us safer. A little Google search turned up nearly 100 terrorist plots in the US since 9/11 that have been foiled by authorities. I suspect there are many more which we have never heard about, perhaps derailed in planning stages due to our intelligence networks.

Other plots are certainly hampered by visible security presence. Any location where tens-of-thousands of people congregate in a relatively small area (stadium, theme park) is going to be an attractive target for terrorists. But the presence of metal detectors, cameras, armed security personnel, etc. is most certainly going to help prevent an attack from occurring.

The dozens of unsuccessful attacks weren't foiled by incompetent terrorists or dumb luck...they were stopped by people doing their jobs.

As I write this, it appears possible that screening of social media posts may have prevented 14 people from losing their lives in the San Bernadino shooting. Not worth it?

Again, the "how much is too much" debate will likely continue for years to come. Personally, I've never encountered a security screening that I felt was unjustified and overly intrusive. YMMV..

 

[sachilles]

While I question how effective it would really be, I don't feel like it will add any significant time getting into the parks. You already have the bag checks. If set up properly, it should be an insignificant delay.

For Disney, it might just encourage people to bring less stuff into the parks, making the guest more likely to purchase essentials.

 

[wilkeliza]

I realize there is no easy answer to the question of "how much security is too much". However it seems ludicrous to suggest that enhanced security measures have not made us safer. A little Google search turned up nearly 100 terrorist plots in the US since 9/11 that have been foiled by authorities. I suspect there are many more which we have never heard about, perhaps derailed in planning stages due to our intelligence networks.

Other plots are certainly hampered by visible security presence. Any location where tens-of-thousands of people congregate in a relatively small area (stadium, theme park) is going to be an attractive target for terrorists. But the presence of metal detectors, cameras, armed security personnel, etc. is most certainly going to help prevent an attack from occurring.

The dozens of unsuccessful attacks weren't foiled by incompetent terrorists or dumb luck...they were stopped by people doing their jobs.

As I write this, it appears possible that screening of social media posts may have prevented 14 people from losing their lives in the San Bernadino shooting. Not worth it?

Again, the "how much is too much" debate will likely continue for years to come. Personally, I've never encountered a security screening that I felt was unjustified and overly intrusive. YMMV..

Oh I wasn't trying to say that there isn't a way to try and stop terrorism, I was just saying that metal detectors aren't going to stop a well plotted terrorist. That has to be done before the attackers make it to their target. I think the metal detectors are more to stop the day to day folks from bringing in something they shouldn't be. That is just as important to stop as it is to stop a terrorist organization. It is like metal detectors in schools. It isn't to stop something like terrorism but rather prevent knives and guns for when a school yard fight breaks out. Could you imagine what the Test Track fight would have escalated into if one of those two people were carrying? I don't even want that to be a possibility.

 

[Ursula's Apprentice]

I realize there is no easy answer to the question of "how much security is too much". However it seems ludicrous to suggest that enhanced security measures have not made us safer. A little Google search turned up nearly 100 terrorist plots in the US since 9/11 that have been foiled by authorities. I suspect there are many more which we have never heard about, perhaps derailed in planning stages due to our intelligence networks.

Other plots are certainly hampered by visible security presence. Any location where tens-of-thousands of people congregate in a relatively small area (stadium, theme park) is going to be an attractive target for terrorists. But the presence of metal detectors, cameras, armed security personnel, etc. is most certainly going to help prevent an attack from occurring.

The dozens of unsuccessful attacks weren't foiled by incompetent terrorists or dumb luck...they were stopped by people doing their jobs.

As I write this, it appears possible that screening of social media posts may have prevented 14 people from losing their lives in the San Bernadino shooting. Not worth it?

Again, the "how much is too much" debate will likely continue for years to come. Personally, I've never encountered a security screening that I felt was unjustified and overly intrusive. YMMV..

I agree that it comes down to how much is too much. I'm not saying that saftey measures don't do any good. They wouldn't be in place if they didn't. I was referring more to the people that blindly trust that if they have their bags and person checked that nothing bad will ever happen to them, because "everyone else got checked too, right?!"

 

[maxiesmom]

[QUOTE="wilkeliza, post: 54858198, member: 460134" Could you imagine what the Test Track fight would have escalated into if one of those two people were carrying? I don't even want that to be a possibility.[/QUOTE]

How do you know they weren't?

 

[AngiTN]

While I question how effective it would really be, I don't feel like it will add any significant time getting into the parks. You already have the bag checks. If set up properly, it should be an insignificant delay.

For Disney, it might just encourage people to bring less stuff into the parks, making the guest more likely to purchase essentials.

But for those of us that enter the parks without a bag it sure does. There are no lines to enter

 

[wilkeliza]

[QUOTE="wilkeliza, post: 54858198, member: 460134" Could you imagine what the Test Track fight would have escalated into if one of those two people were carrying? I don't even want that to be a possibility.

How do you know they weren't?[/QUOTE]

Of course I don't know 100% for sure but a fist fight anywhere can quickly escalate when someone is also carrying a weapon.

 

[sachilles]

But for those of us that enter the parks without a bag it sure does. There are no lines to enter

You've never encountered a line to get into the park? We've never gone at a "busy" time, but have always encountered a line at entrance even when we were not carrying a "bag check" item. It takes a fair amount of time to educate a little one how to use the rfid scanner at the entrance, even if all is working correctly.

 

[AngiTN]

You've never encountered a line to get into the park? We've never gone at a "busy" time, but have always encountered a line at entrance even when we were not carrying a "bag check" item. It takes a fair amount of time to educate a little one how to use the rfid scanner at the entrance, even if all is working correctly.

Lines at bag check are not the same as lines at the turnstiles.

 

[sachilles]

Lines at bag check are not the same as lines at the turnstiles.

Hard to explain my point. If you imagine NEO from the Matrix explaining it, it makes more sense. If everyone has to go through a security screening, it doesn't necessarily increase your wait to get into the park at an appreciable rate......provided it is staffed correctly. The bottle neck will still be at the turnstile.
You can wait 5 minutes at the turnstile with no security screen, or you can wait at the security screen for 2 minutes, take 30 seconds for screening, then wait at the turnstile for 2.5 minutes.
Our course they'll enhance the queue while you wait
Either way, you get inside, so you can wait in line someplace else.

 

[AngiTN]

I don't see it working that way at all. Those of us that skip bag check only have 1 line to wait in, not 2.
Do you fly out of MCO? They deal with fewer people at peak time than MK does at Rope Drop. And those lines can be an hour wait!
Imagine the lines you see to get through security at Disney. That is what I envision.
Just for bag check.
Once you get through bag check you have the lines you've always had at the turnstiles.