Complaining about complaining

[Club Disney Chandler]

One of my frequent saying is, "There are just some people who are not happy unless they are miserable!" What exactly the whiners expect to accomplish by complaining incessantly to other guests, or a lowly CM, is beyond me. If you are going to complain, complain to someone who can make a difference. Otherwise, all you manage to do is make everyone around you as miserable as you are.

I've got a dang thick skin and take a lot of things expressed on the Dis as tongue in cheek but "lowly CM." That is just outright rude. By the way, I agree with what you said about people only being happy when they're miserable, but I sincerely hope you don't think of hourly employees in the service industry as lowly.

 

[Orukal]

Freedom of speech. Maybe that's how they wanted to pass the time?

Um, with all due respect, that's not what Freedom of Speech means.

 

[KKKKCS]

I've got a dang thick skin and take a lot of things expressed on the Dis as tongue in cheek but "lowly CM." That is just outright rude. By the way, I agree with what you said about people only being happy when they're miserable, but I sincerely hope you don't think of hourly employees in the service industry as lowly.

Lowly CM, as in low on the totem pole, powerless to do anything about the issue, having no authority to make changes in policy. The perpetually offended strike again. Sheesh.

 

[MUN]

We were on last week's Alaska voyage, and everything was incredible. I spent about an hour and a half early on waiting in line for character breakfast and Frozen meet & greet tickets.That was my choice. I could have done without, but I chose to wait and was happy to do so.

What I wasn't thrilled about was listening to 3 people around me in line complain the whole time - to each other and a young CM who likely had no control over the process.

While I agree that there may be a more efficient way to run the process, why start your week long cruise off by complaining for an hour and a half? You're on a Disney cruise for goodness sakes. Deal with it, or tell your family there's no character breakfast for them this time around.

Thanks Disney for giving us a truly magical experience, line or no line.

We waited 5 minutes for our tickets on our EC cruise this June. We went after lunch to Customer Service to get tickets. Very small line.

 

[bumbershoot]

Lowly CM, as in low on the totem pole, powerless to do anything about the issue, having no authority to make changes in policy. The perpetually offended strike again. Sheesh.

I think you're using the wrong word. "Lowly CM" sounds like an insult. You didn't mean it as such, but that's how it came across.

dictionary.com: "low in status or importance; humble"

Humble would work, but I hear the first part when I hear "lowly".

 

[MUN]

I think you're using the wrong word. "Lowly CM" sounds like an insult. You didn't mean it as such, but that's how it came across.

dictionary.com: "low in status or importance; humble"

Humble would work, but I hear the first part when I hear "lowly".

I was offended by the "totem pole" remark, but I chose not to say anything.

MUN

 

[JW9DVC]

Um, with all due respect, that's not what Freedom of Speech means.

Freedom of Expression is what I meant. I was close. But you are completely wrong. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

 

[KKKKCS]

I think you're using the wrong word. "Lowly CM" sounds like an insult. You didn't mean it as such, but that's how it came across.

dictionary.com: "low in status or importance; humble"

Humble would work, but I hear the first part when I hear "lowly".

So.....according to dictionary.com the word I used was correct and in context, but you were offended by the connotation you chose to apply. Got it. Thanks for making my point.

 

[NCConch]

Years ago I read a book called A Complaint Free World. It was life changing.

I am glad that our kids are older (HS and college freshmen) and we do not have to dedicate time to character experiences. In fact, we do very little planning when we take a cruise. We bring books/Kindles and such and plan to sit and do as little as possible. We are never rushed, show up just before the dining rooms opens for dinner and all of our "batteries" are recharged when it is time to get back to the real world.

 

[gumbypee]

So.....according to dictionary.com the word I used was correct and in context, but you were offended by the connotation you chose to apply. Got it. Thanks for making my point.

dictionary.com isn't the be all end all of words, "Lowly" is very derogatory and insulting. "Low-ranking" is what I think you intended.

 

[elfandrents]

It kinda is its a dictionary with definitions. Op complainers are 90% of these boards I'm one of them to a point lol I complained alot about another cruise line mostly because I felt taken for a ride with the onboard prices and the extra cost I wasn't prepared for. I'm not like ncconch (it's not an attack I wish I could be like your family), I can't sit there with a book I get bored and think I could do this at home. On the other hand I'm with you about nonsense complaints like y do I have to wait inline when I paid all this money to be here (the same as everybody else but I have never seen anyone accept that as reason). This was my favorite, because of freestyle cruising and no early or late seating I heard 20 times I paid x amount of dollars for this trip I'm not waiting for a table...ok the buffet is upstairs enjoy.

 

[gumbypee]

low·li·erlow·li·est
Full Definition of LOWLY
1
: humble in manner or spirit : free from self-assertive pride
2
: not lofty or sublime : prosaic
3
: ranking low in some hierarchy
4
: of or relating to a low social or economic rank
5
: low in the scale of biological or cultural evolution
— low·li·nessnoun
See lowly defined for English-language learners
Examples of LOWLY

1. He was working as a lowly clerk.
2. He resented his lowly status.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lowly

Better dictionary with more expansive definition. it is clearly not complimentary

 

[texas disney mom]

It seems like there is a large segment of our population that likes to get offended by everything. I have personally worked many jobs similar to cast member jobs (as I'm sure many people have), and I can tell you they are low level jobs. Sometimes the jobs are fun, but they do not hold any power. This is just life.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

It seems like there is a large segment of our population that likes to get offended by everything. I have personally worked many jobs similar to cast member jobs (as I'm sure many people have), and I can tell you they are low level jobs. Sometimes the jobs are fun, but they do not hold any power. This is just life.

That is indeed the new thing......no matter what you say or do.......there is a group ready and willing to be offended!

AKK

 

[wilkeliza]

I can't believe people are reporting hour plus waits for the tickets. We got the Anna and Elsa ones on our Fantasy cruise and think we waited 30 minutes if that. Totally worth it. My friend and I waited and while we were doing that we had our navigator app up and were planning the rest of the week. The rest of our group was walking around taking pictures of the ship and such. We had no complaints. If it had gotten up to an hour maybe we would have been grouchy too but not let it ruin our vacation because an hour at the start when there isn't much you can do versus an hour when you are actually missing stuff would have been a big difference.

 

[JimmyV]

Well, it seems to me that whenever a group of people have to wait 90 minutes for something, they have to do something to pass the time, and complaining about the fact that they have to wait is one of the first things that comes to mind. If you arrive at a store 90 minutes before it opens (such as, on Black Friday), you read a book or a magazine, or converse, but you don't complain, because you bought in to the idea that you would be arriving before the store opened, and you knew how long your wait would be. But if the store was supposed to open at 6:00 a.m. and it was now 6:30 a.m. and the store wasn't open yet, then for that last 30 minutes there would be lots of complaining. It is human nature. As long as they are complaining amongst their own group and are not dragging others into the conversation, I see nothing wrong with it. It helps to let things out and not keep them bottled in.

Freedom of Expression is what I meant. I was close. But you are completely wrong. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

The part that you are missing is "by the government" which needs to be inserted after the word "interference" in your sentence above. People often confuse the notion of freedom of speech (or freedom of expression) as being an absolute, when in fact, the freedom referred to is one of freedom from governmental interference or oppression. Private parties can circumscribe speech however they want. If I come to your house and start saying things that you do not like or with which you disagree, you can ask me to leave without repercussion. The fact that I have a "right" to my opinion and a "right" to express it does not factor in. Your house, your rules. But if I request a permit from my town to stand on a soap box and make a speech, the government cannot ask me what I intend to speak about, and then decide to give me the permit (or not) based on the content of my message. You can order me to shut up (or leave). The government cannot.

 

[JW9DVC]

Well, it seems to me that whenever a group of people have to wait 90 minutes for something, they have to do something to pass the time, and complaining about the fact that they have to wait is one of the first things that comes to mind. If you arrive at a store 90 minutes before it opens (such as, on Black Friday), you read a book or a magazine, or converse, but you don't complain, because you bought in to the idea that you would be arriving before the store opened, and you knew how long your wait would be. But if the store was supposed to open at 6:00 a.m. and it was now 6:30 a.m. and the store wasn't open yet, then for that last 30 minutes there would be lots of complaining. It is human nature. As long as they are complaining amongst their own group and are not dragging others into the conversation, I see nothing wrong with it. It helps to let things out and not keep them bottled in.



The part that you are missing is "by the government" which needs to be inserted after the word "interference" in your sentence above. People often confuse the notion of freedom of speech (or freedom of expression) as being an absolute, when in fact, the freedom referred to is one of freedom from governmental interference or oppression. Private parties can circumscribe speech however they want. If I come to your house and start saying things that you do not like or with which you disagree, you can ask me to leave without repercussion. The fact that I have a "right" to my opinion and a "right" to express it does not factor in. Your house, your rules. But if I request a permit from my town to stand on a soap box and make a speech, the government cannot ask me what I intend to speak about, and then decide to give me the permit (or not) based on the content of my message. You can order me to shut up (or leave). The government cannot.

So what are you really saying, lol. Seems like you turned a simple comment into rocket science. You had me at government.

 

[jkroach]

The line was awful on our 7/25 Alaska cruise. We had the earliest PAT and were still in line at almost 2. It was a great trip, but that was definitely the low point.

 

[jiminyC_fan]

One of my frequent saying is, "There are just some people who are not happy unless they are miserable!" What exactly the whiners expect to accomplish by complaining incessantly to other guests, or a lowly CM, is beyond me. If you are going to complain, complain to someone who can make a difference. Otherwise, all you manage to do is make everyone around you as miserable as you are.

I agree with what said. I also understood what you meant by lowly CM. By no means did you mean it derogatory. Some people just like to debate just like they like to complain.

We stood in line to see Captain Jack for probably that length of time. No one complained. What we all did was talk and get to know one another. When life gives you lemons, make lemonade.

 

[BabyGirl09]

So what are you really saying, lol. Seems like you turned a simple comment into rocket science. You had me at government.

He's saying that no ones freedom of speech is being violated. A right to freedom of speech or expression means the government can't stop you from saying what you want. It doesn't mean that someone else doesn't have the right to complain about what you say. It also doesn't mean you face 0 repercussions for what you say, just 0 repercussions from the government.