Common Core.... someone please explain

To me it is the technique. For example they have all these techniques to reinforce the tens concept in multiplication. Yet they have like three or four techniques and they more confuse the kids then reinforce it.
 
I just got back from a moms group meeting, and the subject turned to math, and every parent who had a kid currently in school launched into how they despised what their children were being taught -- and the kids hated it and were giving up, even in second grade. People are hiring tutors -- and a couple are just planning to pull out their kids and homeschool. And these were kids from different districts.

People also brought up Everyday Math, and how that had been a joke as well.

It's one math fad after another.

Also if your math was a joke before, why is everyone so upset? That's been around since the late 90's so it seems like this issue has been in your area for at least over a decade, even if they waited a few years to implement Everyday Math.
 
I'm just curious if it was all complaining or did you discuss actions besides just homeschooling? Is it teachers who need training or ineffective teachers that need to go that are the problem in your district? Is it poorly purchased materials because administrators were too lazy to rewrite the curriculum? Which of these do you feel is the problem? If it is the first join together with parents in your district to raise money to purchase true materials and not Pearson money makers with CC stamped on it. If it is the second research speak at a board meeting about the school writing their own curriculum that best fits the needs of the students. Bring in examples of good lessons being taught in other places that the teachers in your district should be using. Complaints and discussing with others is a start, but if that is all you do then it really not that important to you to change it. Also going to one board meeting isn't enough, go to multiple board meetings. Get a group of upset parents to share the load and keeping bringing in good examples of implementing CC over and over and the ones your district is using as a poor comparison so they see there are alternatives out there.

Then why doesn't the areas/schools/districts where this is working so well HELP the other areas/schools/districts with copies of what THEY have come up with? If teachers and schools are so passionate about how Common Core is a step in the right direction, why not help those that are showing signs of struggle? This is after all, designed to help the kids, everywhere, right?
 
I'm just curious if it was all complaining or did you discuss actions besides just homeschooling? Is it teachers who need training or ineffective teachers that need to go that are the problem in your district? Is it poorly purchased materials because administrators were too lazy to rewrite the curriculum? Which of these do you feel is the problem? If it is the first join together with parents in your district to raise money to purchase true materials and not Pearson money makers with CC stamped on it. If it is the second research speak at a board meeting about the school writing their own curriculum that best fits the needs of the students. Bring in examples of good lessons being taught in other places that the teachers in your district should be using. Complaints and discussing with others is a start, but if that is all you do then it really not that important to you to change it. Also going to one board meeting isn't enough, go to multiple board meetings. Get a group of upset parents to share the load and keeping bringing in good examples of implementing CC over and over and the ones your district is using as a poor comparison so they see there are alternatives out there.








Mine too:thumbsup2


One woman had hired a tutor. Another had endless meetings with school administration. One women had talked to the teacher and then the principal -- the teacher admitted what they were teaching the kids was totally developmentally inappropriate, but she had no choice. Attempts to talk to the school board just got a polite rebuff.

And parents of kids with special needs don't have time to launch a campaign -- they are simply trying to get through the days and weeks of school and homework. (And it was her typical child who is struggling now and hating school.)

For me, I'm prohibited by my work from getting politically involved. I have made my complaints through back channels.

As much as you hate to hear it, this is what's happening all across the country because Common Core was rushed out without thought or careful vetting. It was driven by greed and profits and opportunity, with little thought to children or teachers.
 

To me it is the technique. For example they have all these techniques to reinforce the tens concept in multiplication. Yet they have like three or four techniques and they more confuse the kids then reinforce it.

If that's the problem, then it's a teaching failure.

I've been chatting to both of my kids (year 3 and 4) and some of the parents of other kids in their classes a lot about their math lately, in part because of this thread. They use multiple techniques that reinforce each other and even the kids who naturally struggle with math are getting it.

Then why doesn't the areas/schools/districts where this is working so well HELP the other areas/schools/districts with copies of what THEY have come up with? If teachers and schools are so passionate about how Common Core is a step in the right direction, why not help those that are showing signs of struggle? This is after all, designed to help the kids, everywhere, right?

What do you propose here? Teachers who are already generally overworked should give up whatever free time they have to go into districts and schools that are not asking for help to teach them?

One woman had hired a tutor. Another had endless meetings with school administration. One women had talked to the teacher and then the principal -- the teacher admitted what they were teaching the kids was totally developmentally inappropriate, but she had no choice. Attempts to talk to the school board just got a polite rebuff.

And parents of kids with special needs don't have time to launch a campaign -- they are simply trying to get through the days and weeks of school and homework. (And it was her typical child who is struggling now and hating school.)

For me, I'm prohibited by my work from getting politically involved. I have made my complaints through back channels.

As much as you hate to hear it, this is what's happening all across the country because Common Core was rushed out without thought or careful vetting. It was driven by greed and profits and opportunity, with little thought to children or teachers.


I'm curious about what in the math curriculum is developmentally inappropriate. The first 3 years focus primarily on learning the numbers, addition and subtraction. No one is asking 5 year olds to multiply and divide (well, except those advanced kindergarteners getting 3rd grade math we heard about earlier) or 5th graders to do calculus.

The whole point of using concrete examples like counters and number lines is to make it more developmentally appropriate and easier for children to really understand the concepts.

Rather than blanket statements about inappropriate work (which may or may not match the actual standards) and claims like Asian countries don't do this, some actual evidence would be nice. Show the standards which are inappropriate.
 
Then why doesn't the areas/schools/districts where this is working so well HELP the other areas/schools/districts with copies of what THEY have come up with? If teachers and schools are so passionate about how Common Core is a step in the right direction, why not help those that are showing signs of struggle? This is after all, designed to help the kids, everywhere, right?
I think it needs to go the other way... the areas/schools/districts that are having problems/trouble need to ASK for help. I'm not sure where nugov2 is located, but let's say Texas for the sake of argument. How would her school district even know that jodifla's district is having problems? Doesn't it make more sense for jodifla's district to say "hey, we're having problems, this district in Texas seems to have it together, let's contact them and see how they're doing things"?

I have some other questions for anyone who wants to answer...
1) Do you think having national standards is a bad idea? Should every state just have their own standards?
2) Regardless of where the standards come from (national/state/district), should the standards be written so those with learning disabilities/slow learners can reach them?
 
What do you propose here? Teachers who are already generally overworked should give up whatever free time they have to go into districts and schools that are not asking for help to teach them?



I'm basing it off of previous comments that the teachers that weren't lazy and made their own curriculum could SHARE what they put together.

I think it needs to go the other way... the areas/schools/districts that are having problems/trouble need to ASK for help. I'm not sure where nugov2 is located, but let's say Texas for the sake of argument. How would her school district even know that jodifla's district is having problems? Doesn't it make more sense for jodifla's district to say "hey, we're having problems, this district in Texas seems to have it together, let's contact them and see how they're doing things"?

Yes! However I'm suggesting why doesn't the teachers/schools/districts that are having success teaching to the standards offer what they have come with as an alternative to the "out of the box" stuff many are saying is garbage.
 
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I'm basing it off of previous comments that the teachers that weren't lazy and made their own curriculum could SHARE what they put together.



Yes! However I'm suggesting why doesn't the teachers/schools/districts that are having success teaching to the standards offer what they have come with as an alternative to the "out of the box" stuff many are saying is garbage.

Is your work valuable? Do you simply give it away for free to anyone you think might be interested in it?

You do get that is what you are suggesting here, right? That teachers, schools and districts who have put in hours and hours of work should simply send it to every district around, whether they even ask for it or not.
 
Is your work valuable? Do you simply give it away for free to anyone you think might be interested in it?

You do get that is what you are suggesting here, right? That teachers, schools and districts who have put in hours and hours of work should simply send it to every district around, whether they even ask for it or not.

No, not what I'm suggesting at all. What stops they from having THEIR curriculum published?

And to answer your question, yes my work is valuable and should another professional in my field need assistance to better perform something, then yes, I share my methods. I've done it before and have had many share with me as well.

What I keep reading is "its how its being taught or implemented". OK, if its a great standard to follow and CLEARLY not everywhere is doing it right, would you not see the opportunity to help (read that as either GIVE or SELL) others in the same field to get up to speed? That is why the standards are being put in place, is it not? Why sit back and think, hey, I/we got it right and are doing just fine. Too bad about the "x" district. Oh well, they'll figure it out.... or die trying".
 
Then why doesn't the areas/schools/districts where this is working so well HELP the other areas/schools/districts with copies of what THEY have come up with? If teachers and schools are so passionate about how Common Core is a step in the right direction, why not help those that are showing signs of struggle? This is after all, designed to help the kids, everywhere, right?

I'm sure they would if districts asked for it. The problem is, the districts don't want it. They are just looking to blame CC while they sit back and rest on their laurels with hands raised saying....wasn't me, not my fault. Well, that is BS.



One woman had hired a tutor. Another had endless meetings with school administration. One women had talked to the teacher and then the principal -- 1.the teacher admitted what they were teaching the kids was totally developmentally inappropriate, but she had no choice. Attempts to talk to the school board just got a polite rebuff.

And2. parents of kids with special needs don't have time to launch a campaign -- they are simply trying to get through the days and weeks of school and homework. (And it was her typical child who is struggling now and hating school.)

For me, 3. I'm prohibited by my work from getting politically involved. I have made my complaints through back channels.

As much as you hate to hear it, this is what's happening all across the country because 4.Common Core was rushed out without thought or careful vetting. It was driven by greed and profits and opportunity, with little thought to children or teachers.

1. That is a lie. Everyone has a choice every single day on what they do and don't do. NO teacher is evaluated every day, so she has ever opportunity to adjust her lessons to meet the needs of her students. She is lazy...so, that is the reality. Any teacher(good teacher) who allows her students to flounder with crap lessons, when good lessons are just a google search away is full of it. I taught, I know what it is like. NOBODY is in your classroom except maybe a couple times a year for ONE lesson each time. The rest of the time nobody knows what is going on. Even submitting lesson plans are as simple as just showing what bullet point in the curriculum you will be hitting, not a step by step lesson including what you will be saying is every submitted to Admins.

2. Sorry, but this is an excuse. We all have kids with needs and some more than others, I know plenty of parents who not only work f/t, but also have a child with special needs who do volunteer and take an active role in the community. They don't have to justify what they do with their free time, but if they wanted to help make a change they could. Their children are on IEP's and if they are being subjected to lessons that require skills dictated that they need accommodations for via the IEP they can sue the school. They should at least try to make some time to contact a lawyer. Tons of pro bono Lawyers out there just salivating to pounce on cases like this.

3. We make time for what we want to make time for. Plenty of single parents who work F/T rally people together to fight injustice for what is right for their kids. For example the movie won't back down is a perfect example of a mom who fights for the rights of her child. Granted the movie is loosely based on the story, but you can do what you want if it is important enough. I didn't say you had to do everything, but if you can make time for a mom's group, you certainly can make time to meet with parents who feel just as passionately about this issue. You can spend 30 minutes a night researching lessons that are IYO good examples to teach the standards vs. what your teachers are using. Then ask who have the time to be at the meeting to present the findings. TEAMWORK...nobody said you had to do it alone. Start small with an email that asks people to meet if they feel the same. Brainstorm who can do what and take it from there.

4. CC wasn't rushed out, schools just decided to hide their head in the sand and not deal with it until it was too late and just buy the good ol' curriculum in the box. Again, if they began rewriting the curriculum when the standards were released they had PLENTY of time. When you child has a project due in a month and then waits until the night before and then complains they didn't have enough time and that is why they failed do you blame the child or the assignment???? Let me guess, both...the assignment was crap so your child couldn't have possibly succeeded and your child for waiting until the last minute...but really if it wasn't for that awful assignment your child wouldn't be in that situation.:upsidedow
 
Yes! However I'm suggesting why doesn't the teachers/schools/districts that are having success teaching to the standards offer what they have come with as an alternative to the "out of the box" stuff many are saying is garbage.
I haven't searched myself, but according to posts in this thread (and others), there ARE readily available lessons that teach toward the standards on the internet. How much more should "successful" districts do?
 
I'm basing it off of previous comments that the teachers that weren't lazy and made their own curriculum could SHARE what they put together.



Yes! However I'm suggesting why doesn't the teachers/schools/districts that are having success teaching to the standards offer what they have come with as an alternative to the "out of the box" stuff many are saying is garbage.

Our district worked for year(s)!! I'll be honest it isn't rocket science to write their own curriculum. That is the answer. They don't even need anything more than that. Where are your kids, what do they need....write it. It is really that simple. These people are either capable of being in education or not. They met every month and during school days for years doing this. The introduced it slow for older grades and across the board for younger. They used common sense. Really that is all a district needs to know. Don't teach lessons that are stupid and came from a box...with a written prompt that doesn't allow a teacher to deviate. Don't forbid teachers from introducing multiple strategies for multiple learners. That is really all they need to know.
 
No, not what I'm suggesting at all. What stops they from having THEIR curriculum published?

And to answer your question, yes my work is valuable and should another professional in my field need assistance to better perform something, then yes, I share my methods. I've done it before and have had many share with me as well.

What I keep reading is "its how its being taught or implemented". OK, if its a great standard to follow and CLEARLY not everywhere is doing it right, would you not see the opportunity to help (read that as either GIVE or SELL) others in the same field to get up to speed? That is why the standards are being put in place, is it not? Why sit back and think, hey, I/we got it right and are doing just fine. Too bad about the "x" district. Oh well, they'll figure it out.... or die trying".


1. the curriculum in my district won't work for a district that was performing lower or higher than my district so it isn't that simple.

2. Lessons are EVERYWHERE for free and with paid subscriptions. You are only a google search away.
 
I haven't searched myself, but according to posts in this thread (and others), there ARE readily available lessons that teach toward the standards on the internet. How much more should "successful" districts do?

I've only read its either an "out of the box" from Pearson(?) which is garbage or you create your own.... I didn't see where other options were available "for purchase" or help.
 
Our district worked for year(s)!! I'll be honest it isn't rocket science to write their own curriculum. That is the answer. They don't even need anything more than that. Where are your kids, what do they need....write it. It is really that simple. These people are either capable of being in education or not. They met every month and during school days for years doing this. The introduced it slow for older grades and across the board for younger. They used common sense. Really that is all a district needs to know. Don't teach lessons that are stupid and came from a box...with a written prompt that doesn't allow a teacher to deviate. Don't forbid teachers from introducing multiple strategies for multiple learners. That is really all they need to know.

But that's the exact reason I don't understand..... I thought we/they WERE teaching with several methods? I can only refer to what and how I was taught, which seems to be the same or similar way everyone was taught, one way or another. So why change it now?
 
But that's the exact reason I don't understand..... I thought we/they WERE teaching with several methods? I can only refer to what and how I was taught, which seems to be the same or similar way everyone was taught, one way or another. So why change it now?

They didn't change the method of teaching, only that all states in the nation will have the same standards. Some schools decided to use this as an opportunity to change their method of teaching for the worse and that is something that is both confusing and unacceptable. I don't get why they couldn't buy the curriculum in a box if need be and at least tweak it and eliminate mandatory scripts. That is solely on the school districts making those decisions and only the people who live in the district can change this.
 
They didn't change the method of teaching, only that all states in the nation will have the same standards. Some schools decided to use this as an opportunity to change their method of teaching for the worse and that is something that is both confusing and unacceptable. I don't get why they couldn't buy the curriculum in a box if need be and at least tweak it and eliminate mandatory scripts. That is solely on the school districts making those decisions and only the people who live in the district can change this.

:confused: OK, let me try this.... so BEFORE, a typical 5th grader would learn ABC while in school on the east coast. At the same time, a typical 5th grader would learn DEF and not ABC on the west coast. Child 1 moves to the west coast and is now lost because they know ABC but not DEF. The "standards" now state that ALL 5th graders need to learn ABC, no matter what. How you get there is up to you! Teachers can either use this method "out of the box" or come up with their own way, as long as ABC is taught. Now, in most cases, ABC was already being taught (as we know it and how we were taught). However, so the "standards" are met, introduce new methods and thought processes of learning ABC (not really a "how ever you can get there method). It needs to be universal so child 1 on the east coast and child 2 on the west coast are at the same level.
 
I've only read its either an "out of the box" from Pearson(?) which is garbage or you create your own.... I didn't see where other options were available "for purchase" or help.

You go online as a teacher and google search or go to pinterest or any teacher share website and get lessons that meet the needs of their classroom. That has been available since I was teaching(not nearly as advanced or as nice) back in the 2000's. Again, if you are in the profession you know what to do to find good lessons. All teachers write their own lessons based on the standards. Schools purchase the curriculum..ie workbooks, textbooks etc. Teachers usually work in teams to create lessons that work well with their population of students based on both the curriculum and the standards that need to be met. Why any teacher doesn't have enough common sense and love for her students and job that she/he doesn't toss that trash where it belongs or at least just pretends to teach it while really doing what is right by the students and doing lessons that work is beyond me.

When I was teaching there were 3 third grade classes at my school. They were grouped by ability and one year I had the lowest group. I had to stray from the lessons the other two classes were doing because it wasn't right for my class. I had to use books that were at a lower level, but we still accomplished the same goals...the kids still scored well on the state testing. Lessons are not one size fit all, you must be flexible and ready to change. Sometimes what you think will work doesn't. A good teacher recognizes this and does what they need to do to help their students. You can reach the same destination by taking a different road most of the time.
 
:confused: OK, let me try this.... so BEFORE, a typical 5th grader would learn ABC while in school on the east coast. At the same time, a typical 5th grader would learn DEF and not ABC on the west coast. Child 1 moves to the west coast and is now lost because they know ABC but not DEF. The "standards" now state that ALL 5th graders need to learn ABC, no matter what. How you get there is up to you! Teachers can either use this method "out of the box" or come up with their own way, as long as ABC is taught. Now, in most cases, ABC was already being taught (as we know it and how we were taught). However, so the "standards" are met, introduce new methods and thought processes of learning ABC (not really a "how ever you can get there method). It needs to be universal so child 1 on the east coast and child 2 on the west coast are at the same level.

Pretty much. Now all 5th graders learn ABC and the method to getting there is up to each school. ABC may be slightly different, so maybe it is now ABCD but still the method for getting there is all up to the district.

Also they have required things such as more nonfiction text being used(not bad there are tons of great ones out there even though the antiCC group will find the one or two inappropriate ones on the list..and why they are there I don't know and why a school would use them is just as confusing) and that more thought process in math be shown...more how did you get there more explaining. Now some schools already did this, some didn't. They are not requiring K students or even 1st and 2nd to really write much. It is more showing the reason via picture. As they get older they expect a little more, but even my 4th grader is doing totally reasonable things. I have seen nothing out of the ordinary. New methods, yes...bad no.
 
Pretty much. Now all 5th graders learn ABC and the method to getting there is up to each school. ABC may be slightly different, so maybe it is now ABCD but still the method for getting there is all up to the district.

Also they have required things such as more nonfiction text being used(not bad there are tons of great ones out there even though the antiCC group will find the one or two inappropriate ones on the list..and why they are there I don't know and why a school would use them is just as confusing) and that more thought process in math be shown...more how did you get there more explaining. Now some schools already did this, some didn't. They are not requiring K students or even 1st and 2nd to really write much. It is more showing the reason via picture. As they get older they expect a little more, but even my 4th grader is doing totally reasonable things. I have seen nothing out of the ordinary. New methods, yes...bad no.

Then where and why does this "new math" come into play? Serious question. Using some of the examples up thread (may not be the best examples but those are the ones to be most confusing). That's the part I don't get. It they are to make sure the standard is that ALL 5th graders know ABC(D) then why have to introduce this new method of getting there? Like with state testing, they typically show how those grade levels are performing. While I don't like those tests because too many schools "teach to the test" it would show what and how lessons are being taught and if they are being done effectively.
 












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