Comcast is going to cream Disney

September 2011-

Disney announces Avatar land to be built at Animal Kingdom


January 2012-

Universal begins to demolish the Jaws attraction to start building Diagon Alley, complete with an entire train, train station, city of London/Diagon Alley area, and a massive top tier attraction.


July 2014-

Universal opens Diagon Alley to much fanfare, record number of guests, and incredible theming



July 2014-

Disney has begun moving dirt for Avatar Land



This is the problem
 
September 2011-

Disney announces Avatar land to be built at Animal Kingdom

January 2012-

Universal begins to demolish the Jaws attraction to start building Diagon Alley, complete with an entire train, train station, city of London/Diagon Alley area, and a massive top tier attraction.

July 2014-

Universal opens Diagon Alley to much fanfare, record number of guests, and incredible theming

July 2014-

Disney has begun moving dirt for Avatar Land


This is the problem

It would seem...huh?

That is deliberate...
It's not like universal is getting the "fast" guys and disney is all the slow guys...

It's deliberate...

And even if you buy the "regulations kill schedules" argument - I don't because mainly Disney is its own regulator by and large...
Then What you lose in red tape they have gained over time In Technology...

As in things are now prefabricated/ 3D modeled to exact specifications so that the "artists process" that WDI had to perform by hand onsite in the past can be reduced greatly...

Again...sure seems deliberate
 
September 2011-

Disney announces Avatar land to be built at Animal Kingdom


January 2012-

Universal begins to demolish the Jaws attraction to start building Diagon Alley, complete with an entire train, train station, city of London/Diagon Alley area, and a massive top tier attraction.


July 2014-

Universal opens Diagon Alley to much fanfare, record number of guests, and incredible theming



July 2014-

Disney has begun moving dirt for Avatar Land



This is the problem
Actually disney has been doing work in the avatar area for months now. the area was completely bulldozed in a month and now three cranes have been on site.
 
Universal's rights to Marvel "east of the Mississippi" don't expire

1. that isn't entirely true Kings Island is having a marvel event this summer and that park in is Ohio.

2. Disney could technically use Marvel characters in their parks just not avengers or spiderman. They are holding a guardians of the galaxy preview in DHS.

3. They could re negotiate the contract down the line say in 20-30 years but thats a stretch as most of us know it.
 

I think, when it opens, you will see a big difference between Pandora and Harry Potter. Harry Potter is awesome, but mainly it is awesome because of good theming that accurately represents the HP world people love and a cool ride with good technology. Now more area and another ride. It is very good and should remain popular for years.

However, with Pandora, you have Disney, the king of Imagineering doing new things in partnership with a genius inventor artist who could be described as an imaginer himself; James Cameron. The man holds a number of patents. He invented and patented new machines for each of his last two movies. He is a driven artist that could be called a little crazy. And he KNOWS how to please the masses around the world. He is unrelenting and driven.

Disney coupled with Cameron is going to produce not just a good themed area, but something new and amazing. I am excited to see what Cameron does when he turns his inventive genius to ride technologies and themed areas. It is Cameron's drive to do things right regardless of schedules that has caused Pandora to take so long. I am glad.

So what if it takes a little longer. It is going to be a whole lot more than a cool ride and some excellently themed shops.

This was a long way of saying it is going to be worth the wait and I am glad they did not rush.
 
I wonder why you are referring to "the king of imagineering"?

The last two things that were built/constructed in wdw that really "wowed" - my opinion - were tower of terror and blizzard beach...

They have done some
Decent/good things...but not nearly to an "untouchable" level since.

To me...that's means a choice between "can't" and "won't"...
Neither of which is acceptable for the price.

My opinion
 
I love the Harry Potter area at Islands of Adventure and think the new London and Diagon Alley area look amazing.

But, Disney and Universal have 2 different audiences. Universal is more 'thrill seeking' in general. As amazing as Forbidden Journey and the new Gringott's Bank attractions are, there are many guests who won't be able to do them because of their intensity.

From information that was on one of the Tv shows about the building of the new London area, it was clear that it was in the planning phases at the same time as the Hogwarts area was - the footage of many of the main characters was filmed at the same time for both Forbidden Journey and Gringott's, so the planning time for London and Diagon Alley is longer than what it appeared from the announcements.
 
I wonder why you are referring to "the king of imagineering"?

The last two things that were built/constructed in wdw that really "wowed" - my opinion - were tower of terror and blizzard beach...

They have done some
Decent/good things...but not nearly to an "untouchable" level since.

To me...that's means a choice between "can't" and "won't"...
Neither of which is acceptable for the price.

My opinion

I think the problem is that some of the bits of amazing engineering get overlooked..... for example the mirror on the wall in ETWB....... If D had done the hogwarts express, there may have been a brick wall that opens up to allow access to 9 3/4. Unfortunately the mirror is stuck in a childs meet and greet, so hardly noticed. I go in almost every visit just to see it. Amazing.
 
1. that isn't entirely true Kings Island is having a marvel event this summer and that park in is Ohio.

I suspect there's a vast difference between a 4-hour event and any more extensive (temporary or permanent) placement.

2. Disney could technically use Marvel characters in their parks just not avengers or spiderman. They are holding a guardians of the galaxy preview in DHS.

Characters off limits include Avengers (Iron Man, Hulk, Capt America, etc.), Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men...
 
I think, when it opens, you will see a big difference between Pandora and Harry Potter. Harry Potter is awesome, but mainly it is awesome because of good theming that accurately represents the HP world people love and a cool ride with good technology. Now more area and another ride. It is very good and should remain popular for years.

However, with Pandora, you have Disney, the king of Imagineering doing new things in partnership with a genius inventor artist who could be described as an imaginer himself; James Cameron. The man holds a number of patents. He invented and patented new machines for each of his last two movies. He is a driven artist that could be called a little crazy. And he KNOWS how to please the masses around the world. He is unrelenting and driven.

Disney coupled with Cameron is going to produce not just a good themed area, but something new and amazing. I am excited to see what Cameron does when he turns his inventive genius to ride technologies and themed areas. It is Cameron's drive to do things right regardless of schedules that has caused Pandora to take so long. I am glad.

So what if it takes a little longer. It is going to be a whole lot more than a cool ride and some excellently themed shops.

This was a long way of saying it is going to be worth the wait and I am glad they did not rush.

You do realize that MANY people in Universal Creative are ex-Disney Imagineers right? They have basically the same pool of talent these days...except one is getting huge budgets and the other isn't
 
You do realize that MANY people in Universal Creative are ex-Disney Imagineers right? They have basically the same pool of talent these days...except one is getting huge budgets and the other isn't

Not sure that the budgets are so much different but the results are worthy of debate.

Disney also falls victim to a double standard in some cases. They could never get away with plopping an inexpensive, unthemed steel coaster in the middle of the Magic Kingdom.
 
Not sure that the budgets are so much different but the results are worthy of debate.

Disney also falls victim to a double standard in some cases. They could never get away with plopping an inexpensive, unthemed steel coaster in the middle of the Magic Kingdom.

No, but they got away with it in DCA
 
No, but they got away with it in DCA

I assume you're referring to California Screamin, in which case I'd point out that light theming is different than clashing entirely with the surroundings.

I don't want this to descend into pettiness but we both know Disney couldn't (and wouldn't) build a $45 million steel coaster that winds through buildings along Main Street and into the Cinderella Castle courtyard.

I've been to USF a couple times actually enjoyed most of the theming. But c-mon...

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I wonder why you are referring to "the king of imagineering"?

The last two things that were built/constructed in wdw that really "wowed" - my opinion - were tower of terror and blizzard beach...

They have done some
Decent/good things...but not nearly to an "untouchable" level since.

To me...that's means a choice between "can't" and "won't"...
Neither of which is acceptable for the price.

My opinion

I am not talking about "newness." In all fairness that is a different argument and you do have some good points about doing new things at WDW. I am talking about overall theming and Imagineering.

Overall, I haven't visited anywhere, including Universal, that has immersive theming or Imagineering anything like Disney, regardless of age. HP is probably one of the first places to achieve this type of high level of theming. But it is only one area of a big park. (2 areas of 2 big parks, now.) And, from what I read, there are things Disney has done (many not at WDW) that show they are still at the forefront of theming and Imagineering. I read that Disney Sea in Japan has no comparison in the entire world! Then there is technology. Yes, Universal bought a cool robotic arm from a company (Disney bid, too, I read.) and it makes for cool rides, but Disney's animatronics are generations beyond anything else. (Maybe Uni's desire to use 3D and screens in Spidy and HP is smart because they know they can't compete with animatronics.) It may not be important to some, but the next gen animatronics with the flexible skin is amazing! The Wardrobe and Lumiere in the new meet and greet for Belle, the Cars' mouths in Cars Land, the flowing hair on Ariel, the Dwarves on 7DMT are unlike anywhere else.

While the idea and theming were pretty good, the animatronics of the Dinosaurs in Jurassic Park at Universal were not anywhere near as good as anything at Disney! (I understand an update may be in order for JP due to the new movies. That would be awesome!) It was very, very, noticeable the first time we visited! Both my kids noted that the dino's weren't very good and didn't move much. The T-Rex had what appeared to be a free hanging cloth covering for a throat/chest area. Again, the ride was fun and the overall idea was good, but tech/Imagineering had a lot to be desired. But it isn't just age. The dinos at the Energy Pavilion in Epcot, even though they are very old, were better than JP.

There is far more to Imagineering than just a new ride techs. When we walk around Animal Kingdom we are amazed at the Imagineering that went into making you feel like you are in the woods. The views from some of the bridges could be in another country and don't look like a theme park at all! Of course, this is all my opinion and that of my family alone.

So, overall, not just recently or last 10 years, and not just in Orlando, Disney's theming and Imagineering is still two generations ahead of everyone else.

And Pandora is going to put them further ahead. THEN, whenever it gets here (!?) Star Wars will do the same.

I am excited about the possibilities as Universal is picking up their game. Maybe they will do something top-tier or even ground breaking when they redo JP. But whatever they do, right now they still have a long way to go.
 
I think the problem is that some of the bits of amazing engineering get overlooked..... for example the mirror on the wall in ETWB....... If D had done the hogwarts express, there may have been a brick wall that opens up to allow access to 9 3/4. Unfortunately the mirror is stuck in a childs meet and greet, so hardly noticed. I go in almost every visit just to see it. Amazing.

I completely forgot about that! Yes, I go every time just to see the mirror and the animatronics. The mirror is amazing!!

You do realize that MANY people in Universal Creative are ex-Disney Imagineers right? They have basically the same pool of talent these days...except one is getting huge budgets and the other isn't

Yes, they are, and I have high hopes for Uni based on this fact and what they have learned with HP. They just don't have the history, culture, management, and budgets to support full Imagineering like a Pandora. It would be risky, but I hope they do go all out. And as someone else noted and showed pictures, Uni hasn't always done the best job. Of course their space is far more limited than WDW. My son was vocally critical of how they didn't even try to hide the huge HP ride building. It just sits there in plain sight. Very poor Imagineering. But they are doing much better and hopefully will continue to improve.

Not sure that the budgets are so much different but the results are worthy of debate.

Disney also falls victim to a double standard in some cases. They could never get away with plopping an inexpensive, unthemed steel coaster in the middle of the Magic Kingdom.

I think the budgets are very different as are resources, space, and intended audience. You are right about expectations and a double standard. No body gives the amazing theming and Imagineering at Animal Kingdom and particularly the Safari, a second thought. And the coaster pictured at Disney does fit the theme. Also, DCA didn't get away with anything. They had to improve and Cars Land is amazing!
 
I think the budgets are very different as are resources, space, and intended audience. You are right. And the coaster pictured at Disney does fit the theme. Also, DCA didn't get away with anything. They had to improve and Cars Land is amazing!

DCA was an embarrassing park and they overcharged for it for 10 years...

They don't get a pass for that for throwing the bank at it later...all the while complaining about how much they spent.

How soon you forget.


And you say that HP can't be immersive like pandora...
WHAT?! You're comparing apples to the empty apple basket.
The theming in the fantasyland redo is good...the area lacks the kind of punch it probably needed to though...

But there is no "pandora" at this date. Make them earn it, please?
You can't possible sell that there is no question as to how "awesome" the avatar thing will be.

Come back to center a little, eh?
 
There is far more to Imagineering than just a new ride techs. When we walk around Animal Kingdom we are amazed at the Imagineering that went into making you feel like you are in the woods. The views from some of the bridges could be in another country and don't look like a theme park at all! Of course, this is all my opinion and that of my family alone.

So, overall, not just recently or last 10 years, and not just in Orlando, Disney's theming and Imagineering is still two generations ahead of everyone else.

And Pandora is going to put them further ahead. THEN, whenever it gets here (!?) Star Wars will do the same.

Vivendi went cheap on the Jurassic park stuff in Orlando...no argument there...

But what your Saying about animal kingdom is the classic apologists line (company encouraged) jargon that has been laid out there...

People are "too dumb" to appreciate how great it is and why it isn't top notch fun...
That is the line that is used to shield the fact that the gates empty at 1 pm...

I appreciate the detail...but they spent like drunken sailors (reportedly two BILLION) and have some decent "art" and not enough substance...

That is a fact..they opened early and slashed and have haphazardly and infrequently tried to save face...Chester and Hester's cheaporama and Everest...

Actually that idiot rohde spent a fortune on trinkets in the queue of Everest and forgot to "look into the engineering" apparently...

Again...let them stand on their product...don't excuse away obvious flaws.

It's not about "new"...it's not about Steel screamers a la cedar point...

It's about quality...and it hasn't been as earth shattering as you make it for some time.

The only reason "new" comes into play is that they've sat on their hands for WAAAYYYY too long...and that opens the door. Nobody's fault but there's...didnt have to have basically an unfinished high overhead park in animal kingdom after 15 years...they could have phased in at least two decent expansions/revisions by now without breaking a financial sweat...
But no.

Didnt have to mothball pleasure island and sit for 5 years...but did

Didnt have to shutter things and bone the "reinvention" of future world at EPCOT over 15 years and then Kinda give up...
Did...hopefully there's gonna be movement on that soon.

In closing...why is the honey I shrunk the audience playground still there?

Haven't gotten the $1100 bucks of return back on that investment yet?

I rest...and take my blood pressure medication
 
Let's face it once disney is finished with disney springs they will look at the gates and if they are down just build Star Wars world at Hollywood studios. Which in my option is a nicer park as they haven't ruined the views with an unreliable taken metal monstrosity going through there buildings.
 
Let's face it once disney is finished with disney springs they will look at the gates and if they are down just build Star Wars world at Hollywood studios. Which in my option is a nicer park as they haven't ruined the views with an unreliable taken metal monstrosity going through there buildings.
Yes but DHS put a giant hat in front of the Chinese theater that is worse than a metal coaster through buildings.
 
Yes but DHS put a giant hat in front of the Chinese theater that is worse than a metal coaster through buildings.

Seriously...

A ride through a movie set may actually provide some entertainment value...

Unlike a $20 million dollar pin stand that they then Say has to stay there for 20 years because they spent 20 mil on it.
 




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