Combining points from two contracts?

[tink4ever]

Sorry I am not sure I follow. We have pts at VWL with the use year of SEPT. This past year we purchased BCV with the same SEPT UY and when I tried to make a reservation using my BCV pts for my upcoming VWL ressie they made me wait until the 7 month window to use them. Does this mean that they did not combine my contracts together? My new contract number is the same but with a -1 after the original number. Should I have asked member services to link my contracts together or do they automatically do this? Sorry to be so confused.

 

[DVC Mike]

If you have more than one home resort, all vacation points being used to make a reservation during the Home Resort Priority Period must be associated with that home resort. That is, you cannot combine points from multiple resorts to book one resort during the Home Resort Priority Period.

If, at a later date, you wish to use Vacation Points from another DVC resort, you cannot “switch out” the vacation points.

You may combine all the points you have at all your home resorts and book any DVC resort at the 7-month window.

 

[Dean]

If, at a later date, you wish to use Vacation Points from another DVC resort, you cannot “switch out” the vacation points

Mike, that's not the entire picture. If any of the days are available at 7 months, you can "switch them out" for those specific days. While MS is not suppose to switch them out on other days, they ofter will as well.

 

[Dean]

Those would be two separate master contracts. You would be able to use them at the same resort at 11 months, but you could only use each contract for full days. You wouldn't be able to use a few days from one contract and a few from the other to make up one day - UNLESS, you use your once a year transfer for both contracts to transfer points from one to the other.

Deb, while technically correct, that has not been my experience. My experience has been that in EVERY case I've needed points to reserve a single night and needed to use points from multiple separate contracts DVC has done so. To the tune of transfers of banked/borrowed points and in excess of one transfer a use year in each account when the one transfer a year is in place. DVC says they have "signficant flexibility" when dealing with multiple contracts of a singel owner but that they handle these issues on a case by case basis. It may be they hold to the technicalities going forward and YMMV. The other situation, which I've never used, would be for DCL and the like where points must be in one account to do so.

 

[chalee94]

Does this mean that they did not combine my contracts together? My new contract number is the same but with a -1 after the original number. Should I have asked member services to link my contracts together or do they automatically do this? Sorry to be so confused.

if your new contract number is the same, they linked them. as mike said though, that doesn't mean you can get around the 11 month rule for booking.

 

[DVC Mike]

Mike, that's not the entire picture. If any of the days are available at 7 months, you can "switch them out" for those specific days. While MS is not suppose to switch them out on other days, they ofter will as well.

Technically, that's not "switching out" points. It really amounts to cancelling and rebooking. If the days are not available, you can't switch out your points. I think the only exception might be developer points, although I've heard some people have been able to do this, but others haven't.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Deb, while technically correct, that has not been my experience. My experience has been that in EVERY case I've needed points to reserve a single night and needed to use points from multiple separate contracts DVC has done so. To the tune of transfers of banked/borrowed points and in excess of one transfer a use year in each account when the one transfer a year is in place. DVC says they have "signficant flexibility" when dealing with multiple contracts of a singel owner but that they handle these issues on a case by case basis. It may be they hold to the technicalities going forward and YMMV. The other situation, which I've never used, would be for DCL and the like where points must be in one account to do so.

When I called DCL-MS, and inquired about using points for a cruise, they said I could use all the points from both of my master contracts towards the booking. No 7 month rules, and didn't say I had to transfer points either.

 

[childsplay]

Personally I'm disappointed that they are letting people do what Mike and Dean are discussing, because at least from my understanding, they aren't supposed to let you do either.

 

[Dean]

Technically, that's not "switching out" points. It really amounts to cancelling and rebooking. If the days are not available, you can't switch out your points. I think the only exception might be developer points, although I've heard some people have been able to do this, but others haven't.

In effect it is the same though technically I agree with you. Still, DVC has been known to sub the points even when the days were not available though it's hit or miss.

 

[wildernessDad]

Sorry I am not sure I follow. We have pts at VWL with the use year of SEPT. This past year we purchased BCV with the same SEPT UY and when I tried to make a reservation using my BCV pts for my upcoming VWL ressie they made me wait until the 7 month window to use them. Does this mean that they did not combine my contracts together? My new contract number is the same but with a -1 after the original number. Should I have asked member services to link my contracts together or do they automatically do this? Sorry to be so confused.

You cannot mix points from different home resorts to make a booking at the 11-month window.

 

[Merilyn]

I want to add to this thread, that if you don't have the names exactly the same on both contract, they are forced to give you a new membership number for the new contract. I had not taken my sister off the original after her death. I did a resale thru the TSS and because the new contract did not have her name on it, I ended up with 2 master contracts-member numbers. I have found that is only a problem if you want to use banked points. Is seems that banked points are tied into their contract and can't be transferred to the other. I can book days from both as addons to a reservations but I have to do it per contract. I can transfer points from one to the other as long as they are not banked points. I wish I had known this before. Also, to take my sisters name off, her will will have to be probated in FL. We live in TN. I found out you really have to be careful how the title is worded and Disney is not allowed to tell you how it should read to avoid probate. It should read just as your home does, "right of suvivorship" I believe it the words Disney used. Anyway, just wanted to add this for those who add on and have 2 member numbers.

 

[wildernessDad]

Is it me or has there been a large number of people not understanding the fact that one cannot mix points from different home resorts at the 11-month window to make a reservation?

For example, one CANNOT buy a 25-point VWL contract and a 300-point OKW contract and make a reservation at VWL at the 11-month window using VWL and OKW points. UY has nothing to do with it. Master and slave contracts has nothing to do with it. The fact that the points are from two DIFFERENT home resorts has everything to do with it.

I wonder if people are being given incorrect information by whatever company is selling them DVC contracts.

 

[mommytomy3]

Here's another question, if you dont all mind, still on topic, I think, of combining points from 2 contracts...... since my last post on this thread, I made an offer on a resale, that was accepted, and I just sent (today) in my paperwork and deposit check... the new resale is same UY and HR, now, it has 16 banked points from '06 that need to be used by 11/30/08.... I currently have a reservation for this April, assuming it passes ROFR,when I get those points in my account, would I be able to call MS and have 16 points that are being used on my ressie now, replaced with the 16 banked points? I thought that maybe I could, since I would be able to cancel a ressie 31 days before and still bank, so why wouldnt they just be able to switch them out, kwim?? If I cant, they will go to waste, and I'll try to transfer them to someone who needs them, but I will also be banking the 150 points the new resale is coming with from 2007, so my other question is (stupid, I know, but I have never transfered, only banked) since you are only allowed 1 transfer a year, is banking considered a transfer? (duh, sorry)

 

[chalee94]

I currently have a reservation for this April, assuming it passes ROFR,when I get those points in my account, would I be able to call MS and have 16 points that are being used on my ressie now, replaced with the 16 banked points? I thought that maybe I could, since I would be able to cancel a ressie 31 days before and still bank, so why wouldnt they just be able to switch them out, kwim?? If I cant, they will go to waste, and I'll try to transfer them to someone who needs them, but I will also be banking the 150 points the new resale is coming with from 2007,

if it's the same home resort (i.e. you are not circumventing the 11-month rule), then i would think there is a good chance they will work with you. probably depends mostly on what the software allows and how experienced your MS person is...

so my other question is (stupid, I know, but I have never transfered, only banked) since you are only allowed 1 transfer a year, is banking considered a transfer? (duh, sorry)

banking pts is not a transfer. borrowing pts is not a transfer.

 

[mommytomy3]

if it's the same home resort (i.e. you are not circumventing the 11-month rule), then i would think there is a good chance they will work with you. probably depends mostly on what the software allows and how experienced your MS person is...
banking pts is not a transfer. borrowing pts is not a transfer.

Good! (it is the same home resort).. maybe if the first person says they cant do it, I'll try again a day or so later and ask someone else


ok, thank you, LOL. hoping I wont have to transfer them anyway.. can I even transfer banked points? they may go to waste then .....

 

[chalee94]

Good! (it is the same home resort).. maybe if the first person says they cant do it, I'll try again a day or so later and ask someone else

i'm just speculating, not speaking as an authority. good luck, though.

ok, thank you, LOL. hoping I wont have to transfer them anyway.. can I even transfer banked points? they may go to waste then .....

banked pts cannot be transferred. borrowed pts cannot be transferred.

maybe at least you could book a few nights at OKW or HHI and rent them out for something...

 

[mommytomy3]

i'm just speculating, not speaking as an authority. good luck, though.




banked pts cannot be transferred. borrowed pts cannot be transferred.

maybe at least you could book a few nights at OKW or HHI and rent them out for something...

I know, thanks!

oh great well, if they cant do it, maybe you're right- someone may need a night or 2 somewhere, or else I just forfeit them

 

[Dean]

if it's the same home resort (i.e. you are not circumventing the 11-month rule), then i would think there is a good chance they will work with you. probably depends mostly on what the software allows and how experienced your MS person is..

Actually given that it's within the 7 month window, there's still a great change it will work out even if it were different resorts. This is one of the stuations (same Home resort) though where they are likely to sub the points even if the days are not available.

 

[mommytomy3]

Actually given that it's within the 7 month window, there's still a great change it will work out even if it were different resorts. This is one of the stuations (same Home resort) though where they are likely to sub the points even if the days are not available.

I hope so! it's actually (assuming it passes rofr and close by say March) about a month and a half before check in!