College tuition question

Couldn't he both play the saxophone (as in concert band, jazz band, etc.) and still be the marching band's drum major? It pretty much works that way in all of the schools around here. The drum major is always picked from the members of the band and is never a random kid from the general student population.

oh i suppose that's true...
but then, if the drum major is picked from within the band, wouldn't he already have to have had an instrument then?
-When I was in school, once you got into junior high, unless you played bass, you had to have your own instrument.:confused3
 
oh i suppose that's true...
but then, if the drum major is picked from within the band, wouldn't he already have to have had an instrument then?
-When I was in school, once you got into junior high, unless you played bass, you had to have your own instrument.:confused3

That's one of the holes that I alluded to really early in this thread. Any student who gets accepted into a college marching band already has an instrument and has been playing for years.

But yeah, it's totally possible for him to be a saxophone player and a drum major.
 

Here's what I don't get about the posters posting to bash this as socialism

It was meant to be ironic! Of course the child who works the hardest should get the scholarships just the same as the person who works harder in life should make more money.
The scary thing is that more and more people believe that everything should be equal and no one should make more money than someone else Everyone should have smart phones and designer clothes whether they earn them or not. This is what got us into the housing crisis - everyone should be able to buy a home whether they save for a down payment or earn an income to pay a mortgage.
Shouldn't people be rewarded for their effort and hard work? Why is it sin to be a success in life and start a business and employ people?
 
Not too many years ago, beggars on the side of the road would hold up signs stating "will work for food". Recently, I have seen signs more along the lines of "homeless and hopeless. God bless you". And the gentleman moves from car to car taking anything people may give him.
 
In high school, I played clarinet, sax and oboe. Different instrument in each band. Jazz, marching and concert. I owned my clarinet, but the school had a sax and oboe I could use for the other bands. They only had 1 of each though.
 
I just went to this link, and I thought I was gonna pee my pants! When I read OP's post the first thing I thought was "for not?!?"

ok... back to the regularly scheduled thread... Sorry for the interruption.

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oh i suppose that's true...
but then, if the drum major is picked from within the band, wouldn't he already have to have had an instrument then?
-When I was in school, once you got into junior high, unless you played bass, you had to have your own instrument.:confused3

I was drum major senior year of HS and played the flute. However, by that time, I'd owned my instrument for several years. In fact, everyone I knew had their own by that age.
 
Not that I want to stick up for the OP, but it is not that unusual for people to not have their own instruments. Not the norm, but not that unusual. I can think of several kids in our band. Usually those are kids who play school owned instruments or, for some reason, their parents insisted on them using rentals.

In marching band particularly, many kids don't march with their own instruments. Bassoon, french horns, etc. come to mind. Those kids switch to different instruments, usually ones owned by the school. My own son plays trombone in regular band (he owns two of them) and tuba in marching band. He does NOT own a tuba - though schools, even at the college level, provide the marching tubas.

Depending on the school, some of the kids who choose to march aren't particularly dedicated to their particular instruments (though they are HIGHLY dedicated to be participating in marching band, they just may not be looking at their instrument as the be all end all) and it's somewhat realistic that their families may not have made it a priority.

One of my sons plays the trumpet and it is like a 5th appendage. My other son is obsessed with marching band, and has at times played trombone, tuba, baritone, mellophone, drums, and clarinet in different shows/seasons. It's not about the instrument for him, it's the whole picture. He certainly doesn't own them all.

I guess my point is that, in looking to poke holes in the OP's story, not owning the appropriate instrument that fits his needs for college marching is not suspect IMO.
 
OK, HERE IS THE ORIGNAL POST, some one want to show me how this translated into "send me some money"?

She says she is "struggling" financially. big whoo, welcome to 75% of america.

Like I said, I don't send random strangers money so I've got no horse in this race but my radar does go up when people start talking about banning posters for this or that when there is a very simple answer to dealing with posters who you don't get along with.

Place them on your ignore list or report their activities to a moderator.

eliza61 - you obviously haven't followed (or simply ignored) OP...

OP's posts on the internet in regards to her husband losing his six-figure job and subsequent bankrupcy are well-documented (don't believe me? Google it for yourself...) and OP's activities on this website (over the last 3 or so years) have become stuff of legend.

I'll break it down for you...

Now come the kicker: He must disclose to the school all scholarship monies earned. No problem. However now they are going to re-work (into a set program) his new numbers and the amount of the grants will be reduced thus leaving us having to get a small loan.

As OP is widely-known to be bankrupt (or very close to it), who on earth is going to lend her money? Not a traditional financial institution -- that much is certain.

We were hoping to use the scholarship money to purchase a required lap top and a saxaphone, as he plans to do marching band. We were hoping to use some of the money to purchase new sneakers, a printer, and possible some much need dorm stuff.

Basically, she just threw-out a "wish list" of sorts to the BB -- though some of the lurkers and others on the DIS who are sympathetic to her plight may offer her some of their "gently used" stuff it may come-up in the conversation that cash donations are easier to manage.

Seems I was a little late, this time around...
 
eliza61 - you obviously haven't followed (or simply ignored) OP...

OP's posts on the internet in regards to her husband losing his six-figure job and subsequent bankrupcy are well-documented (don't believe me? Google it for yourself...) and OP's activities on this website (over the last 3 or so years) have become stuff of legend.

I'll break it down for you...



As OP is widely-known to be bankrupt (or very close to it), who on earth is going to lend her money? Not a traditional financial institution -- that much is certain.



Basically, she just threw-out a "wish list" of sorts to the BB -- though some of the lurkers and others on the DIS who are sympathetic to her plight may offer her some of their "gently used" stuff it may come-up in the conversation that cash donations are easier to manage.

Seems I was a little late, this time around...
And it is those 'tales of woe' that give me a lot of frivolous reading time. (Well, her tale, and everyone else exposing her). popcorn:: :surfweb::laughing:
I hope she is never banned. And, for all we know, she is 22, unemployed and this is how she fills her day-laughing all the way to the virtual bank. :rotfl2:
 
Wow. There should be a thread started about potential scammers. I am rather new to the DIS and until posters pointed out that this seemed like a bit of a scam, I thought it was just a mom who wanted validation for her son's achievements. :sad2: Makes me sad that someone would create such a story to get a couple of bucks when the people who really need it and deserve figure it out on their own.
 
Wow. There should be a thread started about potential scammers. I am rather new to the DIS and until posters pointed out that this seemed like a bit of a scam, I thought it was just a mom who wanted validation for her son's achievements. :sad2: Makes me sad that someone would create such a story to get a couple of bucks when the people who really need it and deserve figure it out on their own.
This is why some of us repeatedly beat the drum about internet scammers. You never know if someone's story is a piece of fiction or a real need. The best advice to anyone who reads a hard luck story on the disboards and feels compelled to help out: Donate something to a local charity! Fill a backpack with school supplies and give it to your PTA to pass along to a child whose family is struggling. Buy Christmas gifts for a Salvation Army Angel Tree child. Donate holiday food or grocery gift cards to your local food pantry. Make a contribution to a worthy scholarship fund. BUT DON'T SEND MONEY OR GOODS TO AN INTERNET STRANGER!!
 
Wow. There should be a thread started about potential scammers. I am rather new to the DIS and until posters pointed out that this seemed like a bit of a scam, I thought it was just a mom who wanted validation for her son's achievements. :sad2: Makes me sad that someone would create such a story to get a couple of bucks when the people who really need it and deserve figure it out on their own.

Wish that were the case, but when OP says things like "all the hard work, essays, interviews, etc to earn the scholarships was for not (naught)..." it completely negated the son's achievements and shifted the focus on family finances (whether or not that was the intention)...
 
Also notice that this discussion has gone on for five or six pages, and the OP hasn't said another word. If you were accused of scamming, and hadn't, wouldn't you stick up for yourself? I certainly would.
 
It was meant to be ironic! Of course the child who works the hardest should get the scholarships just the same as the person who works harder in life should make more money.
The scary thing is that more and more people believe that everything should be equal and no one should make more money than someone else Everyone should have smart phones and designer clothes whether they earn them or not. This is what got us into the housing crisis - everyone should be able to buy a home whether they save for a down payment or earn an income to pay a mortgage.
Shouldn't people be rewarded for their effort and hard work? Why is it sin to be a success in life and start a business and employ people?

Why? My kids don't need scholarships, we can pay for their college. No matter how heard they work, they won't need scholarships. Should they still get them? Or, as a society, are we better off letting me pay out of pocket for my kids education, and making sure someone less well off also gets educated? And why is it work and not talent or ability, my husband got a ton of scholarships for school, and was a very lazy student, but extraordinarily talented. Should a kid who works harder get a scholarship over someone who is just lucky enough to be really smart?

Here is the deal of scholarships...the organization granting the scholarship gets to decide whom to give it to. It may be hard work. It may be a scholarship for children adopted from Peru by Americans of Croatian decent who have trust funds. No one is entitled to a scholarship, the granting organization makes the determination.

Same thing with money. My husband coaches a baseball team with a guy who works his back end off at a blue collar job. He probably works harder than my husband, but my husband has a specific and in demand skill set. Working harder doesnt entitle you to a bigger paycheck. I'm sure Mitt Romney has not worked that much harder than my husbands co coach, but he's made a heck of a lot more money.

The simple truth is that the myth that this is a matter of hard work is just that, a myth. There is a lot more involved in success. Likewise, unfortunately, there is a lot more involved in not being successful than simply being lazy. If the world were that simple, we could let people starve secure in the knowledge that they created their own fate and that we will never be unfortunately circumstances, because fortune would have no role.
 
Why? My kids don't need scholarships, we can pay for their college. No matter how heard they work, they won't need scholarships. Should they still get them? Or, as a society, are we better off letting me pay out of pocket for my kids education, and making sure someone less well off also gets educated? And why is it work and not talent or ability, my husband got a ton of scholarships for school, and was a very lazy student, but extraordinarily talented. Should a kid who works harder get a scholarship over someone who is just lucky enough to be really smart?

Here is the deal of scholarships...the organization granting the scholarship gets to decide whom to give it to. It may be hard work. It may be a scholarship for children adopted from Peru by Americans of Croatian decent who have trust funds. No one is entitled to a scholarship, the granting organization makes the determination.

Same thing with money. My husband coaches a baseball team with a guy who works his back end off at a blue collar job. He probably works harder than my husband, but my husband has a specific and in demand skill set. Working harder doesnt entitle you to a bigger paycheck. I'm sure Mitt Romney has not worked that much harder than my husbands co coach, but he's made a heck of a lot more money.

The simple truth is that the myth that this is a matter of hard work is just that, a myth. There is a lot more involved in success. Likewise, unfortunately, there is a lot more involved in not being successful than simply being lazy. If the world were that simple, we could let people starve secure in the knowledge that they created their own fate and that we will never be unfortunately circumstances, because fortune would have no role.

That's correct. Hard work alone will not get you ahead in life. But it IS a very critical component. And NOT working hard is a sure fire way to NOT succeed.

Did the guy who works the blue collar job work hard in school too? Does he have an entrepreneurial spirit? Does he act on his ideas? Has he attempted to further his education as needed to move ahead in his job? Has he sought out higher level positions as they came available?

Undervalue hard work and we are sure to see less of it as a nation.
 
Also notice that this discussion has gone on for five or six pages, and the OP hasn't said another word. If you were accused of scamming, and hadn't, wouldn't you stick up for yourself? I certainly would.

That's said to be part of how these posts roll -- OP makes a thinly-veiled comment, the BB calls her out on it (or, the "well I never" crowd shows-up in her support). Off-topic discussions begin to pop-up (such as the socialization thing) and if any further communication with OP takes-place, we believe it's happening in the PM world...

Think about it...dozens of folks call OP out on it, but all it takes is one, maybe two unsuspecting souls to contribute to the big payday...
 
It was meant to be ironic! Of course the child who works the hardest should get the scholarships just the same as the person who works harder in life should make more money.
The scary thing is that more and more people believe that everything should be equal and no one should make more money than someone else Everyone should have smart phones and designer clothes whether they earn them or not. This is what got us into the housing crisis - everyone should be able to buy a home whether they save for a down payment or earn an income to pay a mortgage.
Shouldn't people be rewarded for their effort and hard work? Why is it sin to be a success in life and start a business and employ people?

Not getting the irony, but you are missing my point. The OP got most of his money not because he worked the hardest, but because of his family's "terrible financial situation". The OP (and other poster's) cannot have it both ways. If one should get everything through hard work and effort, he gets to keep the full value of his merit based scholarships but has to return every penny of any needs based awards. I mean, as you say, not everyone should get everything - in this case, to go to University and his parents clearly didn't save enough for him (and, based on the OP's other posts, he never worked during high school, to save money for himself).
 














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