College planning consultant - anyone used them?

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DD17 is a junior this year and I'm very overwhelmed by college, financial aid, the procedures, grants, etc. I talked to a college planning consultant today and am going for a free consultation in the next few weeks.

Has anyone paid to use their services and was it worth it? They basically walk you through every step, including filling out the FASFA, advising on her essay, helping with SATs, helping get the most bang for your buck, the tricks and trades, financial advising, etc. It's a one time fee from now until she graduates college.

TIA :)
 
When I was in high school there were College placement couselors who would do everything this person you'd pay does for free. I visited them quite frequently and they were a wonderful help.

Maybe see if your child's school does this or offers a program like this for juniors and seniors. I don't think I'd pay for this service, I teach now and feel that students must research schools so they know exactly what they're getting in to.
 
Honestly, I didn't go to college and so was clueless when it came to my 3 sons who have been through the process. We went to a free meeting but it was quite expensive and you really don't need it. Call your high schools guidance counselor to get started, fill out the FAFSA, and look into the schools they are interested in. Don't eliminate private schools because of cost, my one son had a 50% scholarship at a small private school, and my other son went to state school, and honestly the price is almost the same. Private schools have a lot more scholarship money to give out.
 
I would love to hear from anyone who has used a service like this. My oldest is a junior also.
 

Fair disclaimer that I have not used one of these personally (though did attend a few presentations by them and similar back in the day), and also
that I left college after a single semester. With that said...

I get the impression that something like this might be useful if you really have no idea how the process works, what you should be doing, and the like.
But as a PP already suggested, the reality is that there are plenty of ways to learn this same information free of charge, and most schools have at least
some resources--guidance counselors among others-- that can assist as well, and have already helped hundreds of students. It's not as though your son/daughter is the first student at the school ever to be looking into going to college.

What I really think these services are, is a way of taking advantage of students, and especially parents. Any parent only wants what's best for their
child, but many are also in fear of things like cost. A few sweet sounding phrases like "find the best for your kid" or "college is affordable" are probably enough to hook at least a few people. And of course, selling advice that is freely available is nothing new.
 
There were some great books at the local library when I was going through the process with my kids. Also, the schools held meetings for parents regarding SATs, financial aid, and the FAFSA, as well as nights when many college reps would come to the high school or other facility nearby. The guidance counselors were a great source of info.

Now there is even more info available online than there was then.

There's no need to pay a fee to someone. This information is freely available.
 
Don't panic, it's not that bad. DD is a freshman at her perfect fit college that we found on our own. I don't know what the fee is, but this is something you can do yourself and save the money to pay for college. Here are a few steps to take.

1. See if your school guidance counselor helps in the process. Ours didn't, but many do.

2. Start researching schools. A good book is Princeton's Reviews "The Best 377 Colleges, 2013 edition". You don't have to use the current edition, the past few are pretty much the same. I checked them out from the library. This book is good because it narrows down your choices and gives lots of little details on the school - size, location, tuition, etc. Also lets you know the type of student body and some other tidbits specific to the school.

3. Internet sites that I like: collegeprowler . com to gather additional info about schools (i.e. how is the food in the cafe) and collegeconfidential . com for other info - financial aid, ACT, etc. Be warned - lots of over achiever students & parents on collconf, but the info is good.

4. Go to actstudent . org - click on the college planning tab - they have lists of things you should do freshman, soph, jr, sr year of highschool, and more.

I would definitely look at #4 before paying money. Once you see the process summarized, you should have a better feel for if you can handle it on your own.
 
Don't pay for this. Start at your high school guidance dept. I have two in college now. Our high school had parent meetings at the end of 10th grade and again the beginning of 11th. If you have any questions FEEL FREE TO PM me. :)
 
Hi, I agree with the prior posters, no college consultant is necessary. Start with the programs that are offered by your school, and go from there. We also used many of the websites and books that were previously mentioned. (I have two in college right now.)

We also found that parents with older kids who had already been through the process were a great resource.

Good luck, it's a fun journey :)
 
Save your money for tuition! :lmao: There are so many websites to help you with anything you need. CollegeConfidential is a chat board much like the DIS format where they have forums for everything you could think of. Your guidance office should be able to answer any of your questions as well.

FAFSA sounds really daunting but it's pretty user friendly. It's more of a pain to gather the information they want than to fill it out, and there are help bars you can click if you need to know a little more information about a line item.
 
Sounds like an unneeded expense. I have successful navigated all of it for 3 kids. It really isn't difficult at all. If you'd like specific advise please feel free to PM me.
 
I'll be the dissenting opinion. We have only 1 DD, so only one chance to do this right!

We worked with a college planning person who was really very helpful. This person was highly recommended to us by our financial planner.

We were really clueless about the process, and this person really kept us on track. This planning person was great to work with, and worth the money. His services really were more geared to financial, however, he did get us a little more on track with what types of schools to look at (we would not have known about the opportunities for scholarships at small, out of state private colleges etc).

DD's guidance office - practically useless. I went to a college planning night - and it was really geared towards getting kids out of high school...and if they weren't the sharpest crayons in the box, they could go to a tech school. It was a total waste of time.

I can honestly say - DD would not be enjoying her first year at a small (5000 students) private university if it were not from the push from this counselor. Heck - we hadn't even heard of this university prior to the counselor pushing us to push DD to pick out small, medium and large colleges to look at, some private and some public.

We also got some info on how to specifically handle the physical task of paying the bills to make sure that we had properly accounted for the requirements to get the full Opportunity Credit in our 2012 tax return.

Now - unless this firm has a whole staff of people, I don't know how they could provide guidance on testing, admission essays, financial info etc.

And "yes" you could navigate some of this on your own. DH and I probably could have done that too - HOWEVER - in this time for us, DD was travelling about 1/2 the time, and I was busy at work too. So - for us - using this consultant was very helpful.

Hope this helps!
 
I've been teaching high school for years, so I did have something of a leg-up when it came to helping my own children prepare for college; however, it's not as nerve-wracking as it may seem:

- Right now, talk with your daughter in general terms about what kind of school she'd like to attend: Big school, little school. Rural school, urban school. How far from home? Any particular climate? What would she likely study? Does she see herself at a school where Greek life is big? Where football (or other sports) is big? Once you have a feel for what she prefers, search online to see what schools in your area fit that criteria.

- Right now, talk with her about what you can /can't afford, will /won't pay. Most of us cannot offer our kids a blank check, and it's better to let her know up front what the limits are. Talk about debt and what it could mean to her life after college. Talk about your thoughts on whether she'll have a car on campus, whether you'll give her spending money, etc. There's no downside to being perfectly clear on all things financial.

- VISIT. Have your daughter go online and sign up for Open Houses. Typical Open Houses offer tours of the campus, a chance to see the dorms, and information fairs where you can pick up all sorts of information about various parts of college life. To give an example: One of the nation's best universities is very close to our house, and MANY of the kids at our high school would do anything to attend (it's very competative); my own daughter was ga-ga for that school . . . 'til she and I visited, and we both came away with a mildly negative opinion. The "it school" didn't meet our expectations. In contrast, she fell in love with the school she now attends before we were even out of the car -- and it wasn't even on our radar before that Open House. You can't take other people's word for anything; you must visit for yourself!

- Together, nail down the 2-3 schools that're most likely to suit her needs (meaning, she's likely to be accepted, likely to be successful, and likely to be able to afford). Ideally you'd have 2-3 candidates when she returns to school next fall as a senior. Applications cost $50-60 each, and there's no reason to apply to loads of schools; it only makes the selection process harder later. Go ahead and put the effort into making the choice now.

- She should take the SAT for the last time no later than June. At that point, she'll have completed Algebra 2 (the highest level of math tested on the SAT), and it'll give her time to get her scores back in time for applications. When she takes the SAT, she'll choose 4 schools who'll recieve her scores. If you choose another school later, you just go online and have the scores sent (and pay another $10).

- Applications will be available around September 1st. It's critical to make the first application deadline, which tends to be around November 1st. The chances of admittance are better in the first deadline (because at that point, more freshman spots are still available). Also, the applications aren't fun, and the sooner that task is done, the better. Her guidance counselor will help her with the applications, but your daughter must keep up with deadlines herself.

- If she needs teacher recommendations for her applications, push her to ask her teachers early. If it needs to be mailed, provide a stamped, addressed envelope. So many kids bring us forms and say, "I'm sorry, but this is due in two days." You aren't going to get a good recommendation if the teacher has so little time to do it. Also, point out to your daughter that the teachers are doing her a favor by filling out recommendations -- she should write a thank you note or bring them a brownie or something. Appreciation goes a long way, and it's a good life habit.

- Likewise, senior English teachers are always willing to proofread essays; in the fall, we have one day a week set aside after school just to help with anything application-related. The biggest hints: They're looking for the quality of your writing -- grammar mistakes, spelling mistakes, poorly worded sentences are the kiss of death. Also, write something unusual and gripping -- do not write the same old, same old that everyone's going to write. For example, in one of her essays my daughter talked about lemonade. She won 22K in scholarship money, so it was a good choice.

- Big scholarship deadlines tend to be around December 1st. Smaller scholarship deadlines tend to be later, perhaps February-March. Search your school/county's website for scholarship opportunities. Some scholarships will be awarded early, others won't come in 'til after graduation.

- Do not waste your time on left-handed, red haired scholarships. I have been teaching high school seniors for 21 years and don't know anyone who's won such a thing. Also, the thing about all the scholarships for which no one applies is a myth. Real scholarships are out there, but LOTS of people apply for them, and LOTS of them don't fit your situation (i.e., this scholarship is available for a student from ___ county who is going to major in Business). Expect to dig to find those that are applicable to you. Look for scholarships, but be realistic.

- The FAFSA should be completed as soon as possible after recieving your W2s. Both our school and our credit union offered workshops on how to maximize your financial aid. It didn't end up helping us, but we know that we gave it our best shot. You'll get an "estimated family contribution", which tells you whether you're likely to get any grant money. You'll almost certainly be offered loans.

- School acceptance letters will start to arrive just before Christmas. My daughter's arrived on Christmas Eve -- how perfect! Most students who applied early have an answer by the end of January. May 1st is the usual gotta-accept-by-this-date choice.

- Once she accepts her school, she'll need to sign up for a mandatory overnight orientation. You can go to a parents' orientation too, but we chose to send our girl on her own -- we're not going to college, she is. At this orientation, she'll register for her first set of classes. She may be able to register ahead of orientation; if she can, she should -- while the good classes are still available. If she chooses poorly, she can always change them later.

- I was very pleasantly pleased with all the orienation activities offered for freshmen students the first week of school. The students were assigned to small groups, led by an older student. The older students took them to the bookstore to get their books, took them to the cafeteria to be sure they understood how to use their meal plans, etc. THey kept them running that first week, which was a good thing.




The most stressful part about making the college choice is that you're balancing so many possibilities in your mind, and you can't really make plans 'til it all comes together. This is just the way it is -- no consultant can make this different. You're simultaneously planning, "If she gets the big scholarship, we have to do these things . . . , but if NO money comes through, she's going to stay at home and attend Local U, and she really wants that school but it's just so expensive, and if the money is somewhere in between, oh, we don't know what we'll do." The hard thing is that you're making decisions without having all the facts, and nothing you can do can speed up the process.

Talk to her about every possibility. Make lists together, discuss the pros and cons of each option. But once the two of you make the decision, do not allow any second-guessing. NONE, NONE, NONE. That way madness lies.

Once the decision is made, read everything you can about your particular school. When will bills arrive, when should she apply for housing, etc., etc., etc. All schools have specific quirks. For example, my daughter's school is very environmentally friendly, and they NEVER send out anything on paper -- our bills MUST be paid over the internet via credit card. Pay close attention to bill deadlines; if you don't pay on time, her schedule will be dropped.



To your original question, should you hire a consultant? I say no. The vast majority of our students find that the high school and their parents are able to provide all they need to navigate the college search waters. And even if they find it stressful, most of my students seem happy with the decisions they've made by graduation.

I personally know only one person who's hired a college consultant. She's a substitute teacher at our school, and she hired someone to work with each of her three children. She claims it was money well-spent because the consultant "found" schools that they wouldn't have known about otherwise, and she claims the consultant found them money. I don't know. In all honesty, her children weren't top students, so their options might've been somewhat limited. My college daughter is highly motivated (because she knew that we would spend whatever money she "earned" through scholarships we'd spend on a car for her), and she found them on her own. Could someone else have found more? I kind of doubt it.
 
I've been teaching high school for years, so I did have something of a leg-up when it came to helping my own children prepare for college; however, it's not as nerve-wracking as it may seem:

- Right now, talk with your daughter in general terms about what kind of school she'd like to attend: Big school, little school. Rural school, urban school. How far from home? Any particular climate? What would she likely study? Does she see herself at a school where Greek life is big? Where football (or other sports) is big? Once you have a feel for what she prefers, search online to see what schools in your area fit that criteria.

- Right now, talk with her about what you can /can't afford, will /won't pay. Most of us cannot offer our kids a blank check, and it's better to let her know up front what the limits are. Talk about debt and what it could mean to her life after college. Talk about your thoughts on whether she'll have a car on campus, whether you'll give her spending money, etc. There's no downside to being perfectly clear on all things financial.

- VISIT. Have your daughter go online and sign up for Open Houses. Typical Open Houses offer tours of the campus, a chance to see the dorms, and information fairs where you can pick up all sorts of information about various parts of college life. To give an example: One of the nation's best universities is very close to our house, and MANY of the kids at our high school would do anything to attend (it's very competative); my own daughter was ga-ga for that school . . . 'til she and I visited, and we both came away with a mildly negative opinion. The "it school" didn't meet our expectations. In contrast, she fell in love with the school she now attends before we were even out of the car -- and it wasn't even on our radar before that Open House. You can't take other people's word for anything; you must visit for yourself!

- Together, nail down the 2-3 schools that're most likely to suit her needs (meaning, she's likely to be accepted, likely to be successful, and likely to be able to afford). Ideally you'd have 2-3 candidates when she returns to school next fall as a senior. Applications cost $50-60 each, and there's no reason to apply to loads of schools; it only makes the selection process harder later. Go ahead and put the effort into making the choice now.

- She should take the SAT for the last time no later than June. At that point, she'll have completed Algebra 2 (the highest level of math tested on the SAT), and it'll give her time to get her scores back in time for applications. When she takes the SAT, she'll choose 4 schools who'll recieve her scores. If you choose another school later, you just go online and have the scores sent (and pay another $10).

- Applications will be available around September 1st. It's critical to make the first application deadline, which tends to be around November 1st. The chances of admittance are better in the first deadline (because at that point, more freshman spots are still available). Also, the applications aren't fun, and the sooner that task is done, the better. Her guidance counselor will help her with the applications, but your daughter must keep up with deadlines herself.

- If she needs teacher recommendations for her applications, push her to ask her teachers early. If it needs to be mailed, provide a stamped, addressed envelope. So many kids bring us forms and say, "I'm sorry, but this is due in two days." You aren't going to get a good recommendation if the teacher has so little time to do it. Also, point out to your daughter that the teachers are doing her a favor by filling out recommendations -- she should write a thank you note or bring them a brownie or something. Appreciation goes a long way, and it's a good life habit.

- Likewise, senior English teachers are always willing to proofread essays; in the fall, we have one day a week set aside after school just to help with anything application-related. The biggest hints: They're looking for the quality of your writing -- grammar mistakes, spelling mistakes, poorly worded sentences are the kiss of death. Also, write something unusual and gripping -- do not write the same old, same old that everyone's going to write. For example, in one of her essays my daughter talked about lemonade. She won 22K in scholarship money, so it was a good choice.

- Big scholarship deadlines tend to be around December 1st. Smaller scholarship deadlines tend to be later, perhaps February-March. Search your school/county's website for scholarship opportunities. Some scholarships will be awarded early, others won't come in 'til after graduation.

- Do not waste your time on left-handed, red haired scholarships. I have been teaching high school seniors for 21 years and don't know anyone who's won such a thing. Also, the thing about all the scholarships for which no one applies is a myth. Real scholarships are out there, but LOTS of people apply for them, and LOTS of them don't fit your situation (i.e., this scholarship is available for a student from ___ county who is going to major in Business). Expect to dig to find those that are applicable to you. Look for scholarships, but be realistic.

- The FAFSA should be completed as soon as possible after recieving your W2s. Both our school and our credit union offered workshops on how to maximize your financial aid. It didn't end up helping us, but we know that we gave it our best shot. You'll get an "estimated family contribution", which tells you whether you're likely to get any grant money. You'll almost certainly be offered loans.

- School acceptance letters will start to arrive just before Christmas. My daughter's arrived on Christmas Eve -- how perfect! Most students who applied early have an answer by the end of January. May 1st is the usual gotta-accept-by-this-date choice.

- Once she accepts her school, she'll need to sign up for a mandatory overnight orientation. You can go to a parents' orientation too, but we chose to send our girl on her own -- we're not going to college, she is. At this orientation, she'll register for her first set of classes. She may be able to register ahead of orientation; if she can, she should -- while the good classes are still available. If she chooses poorly, she can always change them later.

- I was very pleasantly pleased with all the orienation activities offered for freshmen students the first week of school. The students were assigned to small groups, led by an older student. The older students took them to the bookstore to get their books, took them to the cafeteria to be sure they understood how to use their meal plans, etc. THey kept them running that first week, which was a good thing.




The most stressful part about making the college choice is that you're balancing so many possibilities in your mind, and you can't really make plans 'til it all comes together. This is just the way it is -- no consultant can make this different. You're simultaneously planning, "If she gets the big scholarship, we have to do these things . . . , but if NO money comes through, she's going to stay at home and attend Local U, and she really wants that school but it's just so expensive, and if the money is somewhere in between, oh, we don't know what we'll do." The hard thing is that you're making decisions without having all the facts, and nothing you can do can speed up the process.

Talk to her about every possibility. Make lists together, discuss the pros and cons of each option. But once the two of you make the decision, do not allow any second-guessing. NONE, NONE, NONE. That way madness lies.

Once the decision is made, read everything you can about your particular school. When will bills arrive, when should she apply for housing, etc., etc., etc. All schools have specific quirks. For example, my daughter's school is very environmentally friendly, and they NEVER send out anything on paper -- our bills MUST be paid over the internet via credit card. Pay close attention to bill deadlines; if you don't pay on time, her schedule will be dropped.



To your original question, should you hire a consultant? I say no. The vast majority of our students find that the high school and their parents are able to provide all they need to navigate the college search waters. And even if they find it stressful, most of my students seem happy with the decisions they've made by graduation.

I personally know only one person who's hired a college consultant. She's a substitute teacher at our school, and she hired someone to work with each of her three children. She claims it was money well-spent because the consultant "found" schools that they wouldn't have known about otherwise, and she claims the consultant found them money. I don't know. In all honesty, her children weren't top students, so their options might've been somewhat limited. My college daughter is highly motivated (because she knew that we would spend whatever money she "earned" through scholarships we'd spend on a car for her), and she found them on her own. Could someone else have found more? I kind of doubt it.

What she said. As always excellent advice.

We navigated this journey last year with our first son and while it was a huge learning curve and nerve wracking at times, it can be done without hiring anyone. He loves his school. Best advice meet the deadlines and visit a couple of schools.
 
I live outside of Pgh and there is a guy that a few people I know used with pretty good success. His rate was a little over five hundres dollars and I feel well worth it. he basically negociates your college offers for you. So if you are accepted at two schools he almost barters between the two schools for a better rate so to speak. I know that he is suppose to also have helped locate scholarship opportunties but I am not sure how well that part of it went but I do know that he negociated well.
 
OP here, thank you all. This is great advice and we have gotten a leg up on some of it already. We have met with her guidance counselor and my DD is meeting with the college career center at her school next week. Her school has been helpful - but it's huge (4,000 kids in 3 grades) so the parent meeting nights are not that beneficial as it's packed and very generic. Thankfully, we have a good relationship with her GC or else she would just be a number.

We have a list of schools we plan to tour this spring, most are about 4-5 hours away, in the Pittsburgh area. She's taking the SAT this May (prep course starts in March). It's really the financials that are stressing me out more than anything! When I was young, it was "pick between this, this or this state school". My DD is a lot smarter than I was and knows what she wants to major in - and the best schools for her are most likely going to be private ones. Which are seriously expensive. I'm sure we'll get aid and grants, it's navigating all that that has me a bit stressed!

Is there a college board on the Dis? I'll check out the other forums you recommended, thank you!
 
I highly recommend going to parent orientation. We've been at three different schools. We enjoyed hanging out with the other parents and got some good information about how each school does things and the opportunities available. Parents and kids are separated from each other pretty quickly, so it's not like you're following around your child and helping him register. I would describe our most recent as a nice little vacation, but then it was at my alma mater and we used the orientation discount to get a cheap room in a hotel we couldn't normally afford!

The only student I've personally known who hired a counselor ended up in community college for a year and is hoping to transfer for next fall.
 
My son is a senior, so we are almost done with the process. This was our first time around and I certainly learned a lot during the process.

One website that we spent a lot of time on is Collegeboard.org. You can learn a lot about schools such as size/location/cost and what their "average" stats are to see how your child measures up to the pool. Also, like everyone says, don't write off the expensive private schools, they have money to give (though we're waiting to see for ourselves on that one:confused3)

Don't be afraid of the FAFSA. I was surprised how simple it was after everyone makes such a big deal out of it. However, some schools also require the CSS financial profile and that was a PITA. They asked a lot of indepth questions about retirement accounts, house value, even my younger son's bank account balance. It was just digging around to find the numbers, the form itself wasn't difficult to figure out. I don't believe for a minute that you need to pay someone to do this for you. You still have to get all of the numbers yourself(which is the worse part) and they would just plug them in.

Some regrets I have about the process are: I regret not sending my son to an SAT prep class, which might have boosted his score enough to be more competitive, and also not having him spend more time on his essays. He's a great student and very motivated on his own to do well, so I backed off when he said he didn't need to go to a course and he'd study on his own, but he didn't put in enough effort in my opinion, and I think he could have done better. And most of his essays weren't impressive, some were thrown together the night before they were due. These are things he could have done without a professional.

I think I learned the most information from going the the info sessions at the colleges themselves. We visited 9 different colleges and each one had something new to add, even though he only applied to 4 of them. I wish the high schools would encourage sitting in on one of these during freshman year, as it's too late to change much at the end of junior year (such as getting involved, voluteerism, the importance of honors/AP, the importance of "standing out" to the colleges). We were in pretty decent shape as far as most of this stuff goes, but a lot of kids didn't realize how important this stuff is on an application.

Now that all the applications are in, we are in the waiting phase for regular decision. So I've been spending a lot of time on collegeconfidential reading about the early action/early decision kids who are getting their notifications/financial packages. That site will have you believe that 90% of kids applying to colleges have 2250 and above SAT scores, and they're all 4.0+ GPAs. It's a little unnerving, but just realize that these are the obsessed parents/kids, not the general population.
 
MrsPete has wonderful advice. While I am only beginning to navigate the academic piece of this with my own child, I work in a financial aid office. The process isn't as complicated as many would like for you to believe. Do some homework yourself and save your cash for college rather than letting someone get your money who has made a business out of something you should receive for free.
 
I didn't even know there was a college consultant. We have a guidance counseler at school (one for each grade). Maybe that is what all of these letters we get are for...most have 1-800 #s to call. Along with that and the letters from colleges we receive are overwhelming. DD is only a junior and hasn't heard of some of these colleges and isn't interested in them, but the letters keep coming. She went to college day and college night (with us) but we didn't sign up for anything! We even got one from Citadel (I'm thinking that is military?).
 














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