CM vs Santa: Disruptive for just Claus?

[Herbie]

so, really short people wearing green should be thrown out on st patricks day?

 

[WDSearcher]

So when Disney starts telling you that your shorts are too short or your tank is showing too much skin simply because other guests think this is so, it will be ok for Disney to tell you to go put on more clothes so you stop offending other guests?

I agree the guy shouldn't be signing autographs BUT telling someone to color their beard, change their clothes is just wrong. Do they tell celebrities to color their hair or wear a scarf to cover their face so other guests don't cause a scene???

To be clear, Disney didn't ask him to color his beard. That was a suggestion made by several DISers as part of the discussion. Disney suggested that he wear something less "Santa-like". And they asked him to not sign autographs or pose for photos.

 

[TDC Nala]

so, really short people wearing green should be thrown out on st patricks day?

If they're asked if they're a leprechaun, they say "Why yes of course I am" and start up a line for photos and autographs, then most likely they will be asked to stop doing that, and if they refuse they will then be asked to leave the park.

 

[WDSearcher]

so, really short people wearing green should be thrown out on st patricks day?

If they're telling people that they're leprechauns, and signing autographs and posing for photos as such ... yes.

 

[pequele]

I REALIZE that. PEOPLE HERE are saying make him change clothes make him dye his hair. Personally I can give a rip less that people are dumb enough to let their kids go up to Santa in the middle of July at Disneyworld!

Let me reiterate that it is PEOPLE HERE saying to color his hair etc. I was never one to say these things, I simply played devils advocate to people declaring he change his clothes and due his hair, so people need to lay off me. I will reiterate PARENTS need to be responsible for their children and themselves at all times REGARDLESS of how another guest behaves!

 

[mom2rtk]

Let me reiterate that it is PEOPLE HERE saying to color his hair etc. I was never one to say these things, I simply played devils advocate to people declaring he change his clothes and due his hair, so people need to lay off me. I will reiterate PARENTS need to be responsible for their children and themselves at all times REGARDLESS of how another guest behaves!

I think generally when you have to start quoting yourself, it might be time to consider another argument.

 

[pequele]

I think generally when you have to start quoting yourself, it might be time to consider another argument.

Think what you will but read what I write the first time and I wouldn't have to repeat myself and defend MY opinion!

 

[Herbie]

If they're asked if they're a leprechaun, they say "Why yes of course I am" and start up a line for photos and autographs, then most likely they will be asked to stop doing that, and if they refuse they will then be asked to leave the park.

Unless of course he is handing out Gold Coins from his pot...............then he can stay

 

[WDSearcher]

Let me reiterate that it is PEOPLE HERE saying to color his hair etc. I was never one to say these things, I simply played devils advocate to people declaring he change his clothes and due his hair, so people need to lay off me. I will reiterate PARENTS need to be responsible for their children and themselves at all times REGARDLESS of how another guest behaves!

To be fair, though ... your post was a little unclear. Your post (#83) said (bold added by me):

So when Disney starts telling you that your shorts are too short or your tank is showing too much skin simply because other guests think this is so, it will be ok for Disney to tell you to go put on more clothes so you stop offending other guests?

I agree the guy shouldn't be signing autographs BUT telling someone to color their beard, change their clothes is just wrong. Do they tell celebrities to color their hair or wear a scarf to cover their face so other guests don't cause a scene???

To read that post, it does appear that you're relating it all back to the first paragraph where you're talking about Disney specifically. So it does seem as though "... telling someone to color their beard ..." is something that you're talking about Disney doing.

So I think it's maybe just a bit confusing -- it can be hard to follow someone's train of thought in a bulletin board post.

 

[pequele]

Yes I wrote it that way because other people were saying that Disney ("they have a right to do it") should tell Santa to dye his hair and change his clothes because he's a disturbance. So should Disney also tell you and I what color we can dye our hair? That sort of thing. I was asking people that if they were the ones to be asked by Disney to change something about their look because it was disruptive to someone else in the park would they think it is fair? If the tables are turned, how will that make you as a park goer feel if a CM said your shirt was deemed too ugly by this group of people and it is distracting them, so please go change it now or I'm sorry but your fushia hair streaks are sending the wrong message to young children and parents are complaining that their kids are freaked out by it, go dye your hair!

Simply posing the question to those people who think this guy needs to go dye his hair and change his clothes and not tell the next person to do the same.

And on a side note then, why isn't Disney asking the parents of the kids to disburse? Why is it only Santa who seems/needs to be told what he can and cannot do. CMs could just as well be telling people in line that they should not be lining up for this guy, right? Why should Santa ruin their fun and not Disney? They would tell the crowd to get back from the scene of an accident, why can't they tell the crowd to get away from Santa? Why does all the blame have to be on Santa? Because no one can be accountable for themselves????

 

[WDSearcher]

Yes I wrote it that way because other people were saying that Disney ("they have a right to do it") should tell Santa to dye his hair and change his clothes because he's a disturbance. So should Disney also tell you and I what color we can dye our hair? That sort of thing. I was asking people that if they were the ones to be asked by Disney to change something about their look because it was disruptive to someone else in the park would they think it is fair? If the tables are turned, how will that make you as a park goer feel if a CM said your shirt was deemed too ugly by this group of people and it is distracting them, so please go change it now or I'm sorry but your fushia hair streaks are sending the wrong message to young children and parents are complaining that their kids are freaked out by it, go dye your hair!

Simply posing the question to those people who think this guy needs to go dye his hair and change his clothes and not tell the next person to do the same.
Oh ... I know. I'm just saying that perhaps that wasn't entirely clear from the post and that's why people may have argued the point. That's all.

And on a side note then, why isn't Disney asking the parents of the kids to disburse? Why is it only Santa who seems/needs to be told what he can and cannot do. CMs could just as well be telling people in line that they should not be lining up for this guy, right? Why should Santa ruin their fun and not Disney? They would tell the crowd to get back from the scene of an accident, why can't they tell the crowd to get away from Santa? Why does all the blame have to be on Santa? Because no one can be accountable for themselves????

So then you're saying that a Disney CM would need to be with "Santa" at all times in the parks so that the CM is available to tell Guests and kids, "I'm sorry, but he isn't who you think he is and he's not signing autographs". I mean, it's not like they'd only come up to him in one specific place in one specific park. So ... you're advocating assigning him a VIP guide. Which would seem to me to be a total waste of a CMs time when there's absolutely no reason why "Santa" can't do that for himself. Not to mention that having a CM walk around shooing people away from him would almost certainly draw even MORE attention to the guy.

I mean ... really. The guy who looks like Santa is a grown-up. Is it really that hard for him to understand why Disney may not want him signing autographs and posing for photos at their theme parks?

And -- to put it bluntly -- HE'S the one doing something wrong here -- not the parents and kids. THAT's why all the blame falls on "Santa".

 

[pequele]

So then you're saying that a Disney CM would need to be with "Santa" at all times in the parks so that the CM is available to tell Guests and kids, "I'm sorry, but he isn't who you think he is and he's not signing autographs". I mean, it's not like they'd only come up to him in one specific place in one specific park. So ... you're advocating assigning him a VIP guide.

And -- to put it bluntly -- HE'S the one doing something wrong here -- not the parents and kids. THAT's why all the blame falls on "Santa".

No, did I ever say he needs to be ASSIGNED a CM, stop putting words in my mouth here. When they approach Santa and tell him to stop doing what he is doing, they can tell the crowd that forms at the same time. Did they assign him a CM to tell him to stop? NO. Did he stop? I will assume since this story got to the point of te news, no he didn't and had to have been told on numerous occasions ALL AT WHICH TIME THE CMS COULD TELL THE PARENTS TO DISBURSE AS WELL!

And yes, the parents ARE to blame as well. I'm sure HE didn't walk down Main Street and say "come here little boy, I'm Santa!" A parent allowed their child to approach a stranger in the middle of a visit. But it figures so many people on these boards do not believe in accountability for themselves as is seen in anti-FP sentiments throughout the DIS boards. It's to be expected people would NEVER blame the parents for any of this!

 

[LilyWDW]

No, did I ever say he needs to be ASSIGNED a CM, stop putting words in my mouth here. When they approach Santa and tell him to stop doing what he is doing, they can tell the crowd that forms at the same time. Did they assign him a CM to tell him to stop? NO. Did he stop? I will assume since this story got to the point of te news, no he didn't and had to have been told on numerous occasions ALL AT WHICH TIME THE CMS COULD TELL THE PARENTS TO DISBURSE AS WELL!

And yes, the parents ARE to blame as well. I'm sure HE didn't walk down Main Street and say "come here little boy, I'm Santa!" A parent allowed their child to approach a stranger in the middle of a visit. But it figures so many people on these boards do not believe in accountability for themselves as is seen in anti-FP sentiments throughout the DIS boards. It's to be expected people would NEVER blame the parents for any of this!

I blame the person who looks and was acting like Santa who was the one who is causing the issue. I think HE needs to show some personal responsibility by not encouraging others to think he is someone "special". Because he is not. He is just some dude who looks like some mythical guy. He should NOT be taking photographs with other guests or signing autographs. He should be telling those who approach him that he is sorry, but he is unable to do those things.

If he wasn't walking around pretending to be something he was not, then no one would have been approaching him (besides maybe one or two people). His actions made it into the situation it was. Then, when he was asked to stop, he had a little hissy fit because he didn't get his way.

 

[pequele]

Then, when he was asked to stop, he had a little hissy fit because he didn't get his way.

Missed it, where was this hissy fit mentioned?

 

[WDSearcher]

No, did I ever say he needs to be ASSIGNED a CM, stop putting words in my mouth here. When they approach Santa and tell him to stop doing what he is doing, they can tell the crowd that forms at the same time. Did they assign him a CM to tell him to stop? NO. Did he stop? I will assume since this story got to the point of te news, no he didn't and had to have been told on numerous occasions ALL AT WHICH TIME THE CMS COULD TELL THE PARENTS TO DISBURSE AS WELL!

Calm down. Geez. So the CM who tells Santa to stop tells the guests as well. Great. So everyone stops. And then 25 steps later, it happens again, and another CM comes over and tells Santa to stop and tells the guests to stop. And on and on all day. And every time it happens, a CM has to leave the job they're doing to tell Santa to stop and to disburse the crowd. Why can't Santa just do it on is own, is all I'm saying.

And yes, the parents ARE to blame as well. I'm sure HE didn't walk down Main Street and say "come here little boy, I'm Santa!" A parent allowed their child to approach a stranger in the middle of a visit. But it figures so many people on these boards do not believe in accountability for themselves as is seen in anti-FP sentiments throughout the DIS boards. It's to be expected people would NEVER blame the parents for any of this!

Who's putting words in whose mouth now?

Perhaps he didn't walk down Main Street saying, "come here little boy, I'm Santa", but when kids ran up to him, he also didn't say, "I'm sorry, but I'm not who you think I am." He happily signed autographs and took photos. And if he's going to do that, then of course a line is going to form and more and more parents and kids are going to go over there to see what the fuss is all about. And if ten kids are already lined up, parent #11 certainly isn't going to think, "Boy ... I'll bet they're not supposed to be doing that. I shouldn't send my kid over there."

If Santa had simply said that he couldn't sign autographs or take photos, there would have been no issue at all. Which is why I'm saying that he's the one at fault here.

If he's telling kids not to bother him and the parents keep pushing ... THAT's a parental problem. If he's saying, "Sure! Let me give you my autograph!", then it's all on him.

 

[WDSearcher]

I blame the person who looks and was acting like Santa who was the one who is causing the issue. I think HE needs to show some personal responsibility by not encouraging others to think he is someone "special". Because he is not. He is just some dude who looks like some mythical guy. He should NOT be taking photographs with other guests or signing autographs. He should be telling those who approach him that he is sorry, but he is unable to do those things.

If he wasn't walking around pretending to be something he was not, then no one would have been approaching him (besides maybe one or two people). His actions made it into the situation it was. Then, when he was asked to stop, he had a little hissy fit because he didn't get his way.

Exactly! Nicely said.

 

[Alesia]

Missed it, where was this hissy fit mentioned?

When he complained that WDW should treat look-alikes exactly the same way they treat celebrities?