I hope you both enjoy your trip! 
....this is a FAQ thread for discussing DSAs at Disney resorts. Off-topic posts, and posts that quote them, will be deleted. This isn't the place for discussing whether or not people should smoke.
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That makes no sense at all.
Well, I wouldn't say this is exclusively a thread for smokers. It's perfectly OK to discuss what do to if someone's causing a problem for your or your family by smoking in a non-smoking area, or how to communicate your need for a smoke-free area to the resort, or anything in that vein.
The kind of posts I was referring to are the "smokers are thoughtless", "non-smokers are too intolerant", "smoking is bad for your health and you shouldn't do it'" posts. That, we're not going to have here, because then it's a debate thread. The purpose of a FAQ thread is to share information.
So no, I don't think we need a separate thread for non-smokers.
If everyone behaved as they do, people like me would have no problem and no need for a thread of our own. We would simply find out where DSAs are and avoid them. But it's not that simple. Knowing things such as where non-rule-following smokers congregate at resorts can help us when we make room requests. It can keep even us out of the hospital. I am not going to find that info on THIS thread. I'm just not. That puts me at a distinct disadvantage. I suppose what I am trying to say is that as a nonsmoker and as someone who needs to avoid smoke at all costs, I (and those like me) do not feel this thread is the appropriate place to post. We simply do not come to this thread because it is bordering on antagonistic to do so. (I only did it because threads keep getting closed, referred to this thread, but don't seem to get merged with this thread.)
The people in this thread seem to mostly be the rule-following smokers.
The title alone (The Smoking DSAs @ Resorts Info Thread) alerts nonsmokers to the fact that this thread is for smokers, not for them. It seems clear. So we don't even click on it. It doesn't say "Where to Smoke and Where to Avoid Smoking." That might make us feel welcome.
I don't think it is possible for you to find the information you want. This thread discusses the location of DSAs for those of us who smoke and want to smoke only in the DSAs. By reading these posts, you can find out where these areas are and avoid them just as we can use the information to tell us where we can go without bothering anyone else. However, if you have read very many posts in this thread, you should realize that DSAs close with no notice, other DSAs open with no notice, and it is impossible for you or for smokers to know where they are from one week to the next.
I agree that there are people who smoke outside of the designated smoking areas, but no one can control this except the CMs. No one on this board knows where someone else may decide to smoke, and there is no way you can find that information on any message board. People who post on this thread try to smoke only in DSAs, and people who smoke in areas where they aren't supposed to smoke aren't going to announce on a message board that they plan to go to a certain area tomorrow to smoke even though they know they shouldn't. You are asking for information that doesn't exist, and I wouldn't be surprised if your real reason for requesting a non-smokers thread isn't just to have another place to bash smokers. I understand that you don't like to smell cigarette smoke. I understand that it may cause you health problems, and I am sorry. I smoke only in DSAs, and if I can't find one, I don't smoke. None of us has any control over people who do smoke in other areas, and most of us dislike it as much as you do since it makes the rest of us look bad. If you read about the location of DSAs on this thread, you can avoid them. What would it accomplish to have a thread stating the same information but giving you the opportunity to express your disapproval of those areas?
[/COLOR]I suppose what I am trying to say is that as a nonsmoker and as someone who needs to avoid smoke at all costs, I (and those like me) do not feel this thread is the appropriate place to post. We simply do not come to this thread because it is bordering on antagonistic to do so. (I only did it because threads keep getting closed, referred to this thread, but don't seem to get merged with this thread.)
The people in this thread seem to mostly be the rule-following smokers.
The title alone (The Smoking DSAs @ Resorts Info Thread) alerts nonsmokers to the fact that this thread is for smokers, not for them. It seems clear. So we don't even click on it. It doesn't say "Where to Smoke and Where to Avoid Smoking." That might make us feel welcome.
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[B]I don't think it is possible for you to find the information you want.[/B] This thread discusses the location of DSAs for those of us who smoke and want to smoke only in the DSAs. By reading these posts, you can find out where these areas are and avoid them just as we can use the information to tell us where we can go without bothering anyone else. However, if you have read very many posts in this thread, you should realize that DSAs close with no notice, other DSAs open with no notice, and it is impossible for you or for smokers to know where they are from one week to the next.
I agree that there are people who smoke outside of the designated smoking areas, but no one can control this except the CMs. No one on this board knows where someone else may decide to smoke, and there is no way you can find that information on any message board. People who post on this thread try to smoke only in DSAs, and people who smoke in areas where they aren't supposed to smoke aren't going to announce on a message board that they plan to go to a certain area tomorrow to smoke even though they know they shouldn't. You are asking for information that doesn't exist, and I wouldn't be surprised if your real reason for requesting a non-smokers thread isn't just to have another place to bash smokers. I understand that you don't like to smell cigarette smoke. I understand that it may cause you health problems, and I am sorry. I smoke only in DSAs, and if I can't find one, I don't smoke. None of us has any control over people who do smoke in other areas, and most of us dislike it as much as you do since it makes the rest of us look bad. If you read about the location of DSAs on this thread, you can avoid them. What would it accomplish to have a thread stating the same information but giving you the opportunity to express your disapproval of those areas?
Actually, the information DOES exist, we just have no place to post it.
Why? For the very reasons you have illustrated by your response. THIS is truly a thread for smokers. As I said, they seem to be rule following smokers, but they are smokers. They have their own issues. They need to know where DSAs are, where they have been relocated to, which ones have been shut down, which ones are covered, etc. Sure, I'm no fan of smoking, but it does not follow that I am requesting a thread so I can bash smokers. When did I do that?
As for the information "not existing"......Yes it does. Before threads have been closed, I have read posts by others about certain areas of resorts being notorious for rule-breaking smokers. Maybe they don't want to walk to the DSAs. Maybe they prefer a lakeview if they're on the 3rd floor to drink coffee and have a cigarette, but are less likely smoke outside their room if it faces a more visible area. That sort of thing. Maybe I should avoid a certain area on the way to a certain parking lot, because the smokers tend to gather there after getting off the bus. Most importantly, I'd like to know which resorts are good at stopping rule breaking smokers and which do little to nothing about it. I could go on, but the threads get shut down so fast that I rarely have time to gather any info. I'm not going to get that info one THIS thread and we're not allowed to post it anywhere else. We're told to come here. To a thread for DSAs.
Yes, I can come here to find out where the DSAs are. But I'm going to avoid those anyway. I have no business being at one. To be honest, I preferred the days when WDW allowed some buildings to be smoking because there was less rule breaking, IMHO. If you asked for a nonsmoking room and avoided the smoking buildings, you had pretty good odds of avoiding a cloud of smoke. Everyone knew where they stood. Now you don't just have smokers and nonsmokers. You have smokers who follow the rules and smokers who don't. Two very different groups.
This thread is for those smokers who follow the rules. Reading it will not help me avoid smokers who do not follow the rules. It's as simple as that. And clearly, posting about how to avoid rule breaking smokers will get me labeled as a basher.
Yet this thread is for us too........... Okay.
Just thought I would pop in and note that the upper level deck at the Volcano Pool now appears to be new cabanas. Say bye-bye to that DSA it would appear. My DH is bummed, that was a great spot to sit around the pool and have a cigar in the evening.
I have no idea if they moved the DSA elsewhere (ideally near the Barefoot Bar) or simply did away with any smoking at the Volcano Pool.
I too am wondering this. I asked a few pages back, but no one responded. I hope someone can help.
We were at BC a couple of weeks ago and our friends were staying at Swan. We went to Swan to swim with them one afternoon (more like sunning around the pool because the water was freezing) and my husband asked where he could smoke his cigar. The poolside waiter told him anywhere outside as long as there were no children around. The lap pool was pretty empty--maybe 3-4 other guests. He enjoyed his cigar poolside and was not admonished by anyone.
That said, while touring both Swan and Dolphin, we took note that there were enclosed courtyard areas at both hotels that appeared to be the only "DSAs" assigned. We did get on the bus a couple of mornings with our friends at the Swan. The bus stop was large and had large ashcans under the covered area.
Sorry, I can't give you much more information than that.
