Clinton did not do enough.....

[LuvDuke]

Idiot here!

Finally, something we agree on!

 

[eclectics]

Finally, something we agree on!

Now to get the spit out coffee out of my keyboard!

 

[denisenh]

All I know for sure is, that he is trying everything possible to protect this country. It's the Islamic terroriest fault that we are in this war!!! The sooner we kill all of them the better.

This belief is the problem. ALL of the "terrorists" will NEVER be killed.
That is something that anyone could have figured out before this "war" ever started.
Maybe if President Bush wasn't so busy with his YEE HAWing Bring it on iron fisting he would have taken his brain out of neutral long enough to figure it out for himself.
This war is not the answer and it never was.

 

[bimshire]

????

Huh?

I've heard and agreed/disagreed with a lot of inferences/facts thrown around, but this one's a doozie. Let me think,,,, who was the only prez with control of both houses of congress (for about 8 months i think) that could have easily moved thru 'corrections' to the lapses in the previous admin's border/immigration security policies. Gimmie a minit... what is that guy's name????

I have a clue. Can you smell sulfur?

 

[dcentity2000]

Clinton and his administration have been an embarrasment to the US.

Actually, he was well liked over here in Europe and is rather cheered on.

In the same way, Bush is pretty much hated by much of Europe.

Now, the question is, is foreign opinion something you'd like to take into opinion? I know that here in the UK, we tend to stick our fingers in our ears when someone says something nice about Blair!



Rich::

 

[TheDoctor]

This is amusing. The gop attempts to blame President Clinton for Sept. 11 are not working that well. Please note that this poll is from Faux News. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216299,00.html

By a 10-percentage point margin, the poll finds that more Americans blame the Bush administration than the Clinton administration for failing to capture bin Laden (32 percent-22 percent), while quite a few say either that both are to blame (21 percent) or neither is (17 percent).

 

[Saxsoon]

Doctor, I am curious, but do you think Bush deserves all the blame for 9/11, because that is what your posts seem to say. Maybe it is just me.

8 years . . . 8 months.

Btw, both are at fault, and I am sticking to it.

 

[Charade]

Doctor, I am curious, but do you think Bush deserves all the blame for 9/11, because that is what your posts seem to say. Maybe it is just me.

8 years . . . 8 months.

Btw, both are at fault, and I am sticking to it.

You have to understand Kyle, he loves anything that makes Bush and conservatives look bad, true or untrue.

And the Democrats/liberals (he's liberal and proud of it) do nothing wrong.

 

[bsnyder]

You have to understand Kyle, he loves anything that makes Bush and conservatives look bad, true or untrue.

And the Democrats/liberals (he's liberal and proud of it) do nothing wrong.

Yep, that about sums up Kyle. He's actually a caractiture of everything he claims to hate about the Republicans.

 

[TheDoctor]

It seems that Presideint Clinton was correct about the fact that bush forgot to retaliate for the U.S.S. Cole was a major issue. http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/columnists/view.bg?articleid=141411&format=text

Now the news: One day after Clinton's Fox fusillade, Ben-Veniste revealed that Bush's decisions and lack of response were a major topic of the 9/11 Commission's interview with Bush and Cheney. "One of the questions we had -- and I specifically had -- was why President Bush did not respond to the Cole attack," said Ben-Veniste. "And what he told me was that he did not want to launch a cruise-missile attack against bin Laden for fear of missing him and bombing the rubble. And then I asked him ... 'Well, why wouldn't you go after the Taliban in order to get them to kick bin Laden out of Afghanistan?'" Bush's response? "He said that no one had told him that we had made that threat (to the Taliban)," said Ben-Veniste. "And I found that very discouraging and surprising."

This we know: Bush ordered no retaliation for the USS Cole, and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, then national security adviser, says she saw no such plans.

Can it be that no one told the new president of the old president's threat that America would attack a sovereign nation for giving sanctuary to the terrorists who attacked America? Or showed him the alleged battle plan to do the job? If true, it is the most grievous failing by an outgoing administration in the history of presidential transitions of power. If false, it is the most grievous example of deceit and buck-passing by an incoming administration.

There can be no middle-ground truth.

the bushies were not concerned about terrorism. The silly missile shield was their number one priority and as a result the bushies failed to retalitate for the attack on the U.S.S. Cole.

Tonight on Countdown, it was mentioned that if the bush adminstration had actually done anything to fight Al Qaeda before Sept. 11, then Condi and the bushbots would be using that to counter President Clinton's and Senator Clinton's charges. The fact that the bushies are silent as to any actions that they actually took is very telling here.

 

[Cool-Beans]

Oh, for Pete's sake. President Clinton would have gone to war, too, if he'd been President when we were attacked. So would John Kerry. So would anyone!

No President could have ignored the fact that thousands of Americans were being murdered when getting up and going to work. Nobody would have said, "Oh, well now, we won't worry too much about the middle east. It's really all pretty much OK over there."

Seeing as President Bush did absolutely nothing before we were attacked and President Clinton bombed some empty training ground, I'd have to say that President Clinton took more preventative action than President Bush.

I really sometimes wonder if President Clinton hadn't been dealing with all that...ahem, other business...if he wouldn't have done more. But, it doesn't matter, he didn't do enough.

We got a lot of talk from both guys about how something needed to be done, but neither of them really did anything until we got attacked. And President Bush still really hasn't done much, for all the hoopla.

 

[JPN4265]

This belief is the problem. ALL of the "terrorists" will NEVER be killed.
That is something that anyone could have figured out before this "war" ever started.
Maybe if President Bush wasn't so busy with his YEE HAWing Bring it on iron fisting he would have taken his brain out of neutral long enough to figure it out for himself.
This war is not the answer and it never was.

Seems to me your part of the problem. I don't think asking them not to attack us is going to work, and unless your ready to convert to Islam, you had better be ready to fight. This war is going to last a long time. Time to pull your head out from under the sheets and understand that we are at WAR!!!!!. The more of them we kill the better....

 

[TheDoctor]

This thread started out as an attempt to bash President Clinton on some right wing myths. Unfortunately, the truth is getting in the way of these right wing myths including the NIE showing that the war in Iraq has made us less safe and now Bob Woodward has a new book coming out Monday that shows that bush and his White House are in a "State of Denial". The title of the book "State of Denial" is perfect for describing the bush white house and many of his supporters.

Woodward has some new facts in this book that are relevant to this discusssion. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/29/w...&en=3862efd9e06a71e9&ei=5094&partner=homepage

WASHINGTON, Sept. 28 — The White House ignored an urgent warning in September 2003 from a top Iraq adviser who said that thousands of additional American troops were desperately needed to quell the insurgency there, according to a new book by Bob Woodward, the Washington Post reporter and author. The book describes a White House riven by dysfunction and division over the war.....

Mr. Woodward writes that in the weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks, Mr. Tenet believed that Mr. Rumsfeld was impeding the effort to develop a coherent strategy to capture or kill Osama bin Laden. Mr. Rumsfeld questioned the electronic signals from terrorism suspects that the National Security Agency had been intercepting, wondering whether they might be part of an elaborate deception plan by Al Qaeda.

On July 10, 2001, the book says, Mr. Tenet and his counterterrorism chief, J. Cofer Black, met with Ms. Rice at the White House to impress upon her the seriousness of the intelligence the agency was collecting about an impending attack. But both men came away from the meeting feeling that Ms. Rice had not taken the warnings seriously.

This book just provides more details of how the bushies put terrorism on a back burner in favor of their priorities such as a missle shield which help Bin Ladin pull off the Sept. 11 attacks.

 

[LuvDuke]

Now to get the spit out coffee out of my keyboard!

Did you spit it out of your nose? I was going for the "nose" shot.

 

[LuvDuke]

This is the Bush administration at their lying and incompetent finest:

Special investigation: Leading up to 9/11
Did Bush try to stop bin Laden in his first eight months in office?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15046240/

The answer isn't no, but hell no. They downgraded terrorism czar from a cabinet position and created another layer of bureaucracy. They ignored the warnings about Moussaoui. They waited months to have any type of a meeting about terrorism. They were warned Al-Qaeda wasn't just a small regional matter and they ignored it. And the sorry record goes on and on.

Finally, there's one little detail the Bush administration and their supporters would like to conveniently forget: The attack on 9/11 happened on Bush's watch. Not Bill Clinton's, not Daddy Bush's, not Ronald Reagan's, and not Jimmy Carter's. It happend on George W. Bush's watch. How it got to that point is a matter of discussion, but there is no discussion that it happened on W's watch and it is his ultimate failure. And Bush and his administration have been lying, spinning, and try to blame on it everyone else ever since.

 

[TCPluto]

Please note that this poll is from Faux News. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216299,00.html

Why would you be surprised by this being a fox news poll? They truly are fair and balanced..

 

[nuke]

Why would you be surprised by this being a fox news poll? They truly are fair and balanced..

 

[salmoneous]

The more of them we kill the better....

Unless by killing people, you encourage even more people to become terrorists.

 

[TheDoctor]

Why would you be surprised by this being a fox news poll? They truly are fair and balanced..

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[LuvDuke]

Why would you be surprised by this being a fox news poll? They truly are fair and balanced..

You can't make this stuff up.