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[Quest4fun]

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To respond to both of you.

I went a little off topic with regards to how I disagree with Unions. I think my argument was valid and represents my opinion to which I'm entitled to as you are yours.

Let's talk about the situation at hand.

Disney doesn't exploit their work force. They have specific jobs that pay a specific amount. If they cannot find labor at those rates then they increase said rates until they can fill positions. This determines what they pay their staff. Yes, they're a big bad corporation that has a lot of little people that it stands on to make a profit. It's the nature of the beast.

What we have here is a group of unskilled labor that wishes to have better compensation. They're welcome to seek that through diplomatic avenues. There seems to be a lot of bickering taking place between Disney and the Union bosses all while the workers are forced to protest and put their necks on the line. The Union is seemingly working against these people they're supposed to be supporting.

Perhaps I could support the concept of unionizing if the decisions and actions of the Union were those of the members themselves and less from those who take their dues to fill their pockets. It's well known that Union leaders are as crooked as those they supposedly work against.

I don't like Unions plain and simple and I believe that people should pay for their health benefits especially if they company they work for is willing to cover 75% of those costs. It's more than fair. Some people don't know how to stay out of financial trouble and don't want to put in the work required to get a good job that fits their financial needs. Bad decisions have put them in the position they are in and it's very unfortunate. I'm willing support anybody wanting to make their situation better via education and fiscal responsibility.
They have a choice.

 

[disneyobsessed808]

There's a difference between a crappy job and a difficult job. Just because a job stinks and a lot of people wouldn't want to do it does not make it a hard job to do.

I wouldn't want to walk around in a hot costume. Or clean someone's nasty hotel room. Not because it's a difficult thing to do...but because it wouldn't be fun and it's gross.

I've never been a character at Disneyland so I can't say for certain if it's hard or not, but I can't imagine it being all that difficult. And cleaning a hotel room....again, a gross job...sure. But cleaning isn't hard to do. I clean all the time and don't even get paid for it.

There's also a difference between difficult work and hard work. DisneyDreams was talking about hard work.

Difficult work, as you seem to be talking about, is skillful work. Being an accountant for me would be difficult since I am not one. Hard work is putting effort into your job. Just because they do something that you can do (like flipping burgers or clean), doesn't mean they don't put a lot of effort into it. I bet Disneyland hotel workers put just as much effort into their work as you or I do.

 

[prettyprincessbelle]

Kerri, you just read my mind. Very well said.

 

[JaneJetson]

There's also a difference between difficult work and hard work. DisneyDreams was talking about hard work.

Difficult work, as you seem to be talking about, is skillful work. Being an accountant for me would be difficult since I am not one. Hard work is putting effort into your job. Just because they do something that you can do (like flipping burgers or clean), doesn't mean they don't put a lot of effort into it. I bet Disneyland hotel workers put just as much effort into their work as you or I do.

I guess I misunderstood. I thought they were saying that being a character at Disney or cleaning a hotel was hard work. I don't doubt that they put effort into their jobs...just as most people do. But it's not hard work.

 

[prettyprincessbelle]

Really? You would love to go home every night with back pain, sore arms, carpal tunnel, and *gasp* spend hours in a hot costume in 98 degree weather with crying kids, demanding parents, sore feet, and have to force a smile? I'm not so sure I would like to do so. It'd be much easier to sit in an air conditioned office typing and answering phones.

That's why worker's comp is there.

 

[pixiewings71]

Kerri, you just read my mind. Very well said.

Thank You!

 

[JaneJetson]

Kerri, you just read my mind. Very well said.

OFF TOPIC....where was the first photo in your signature taken? Very cute!
Do you have a pre-trip report or anything for your halloween trip?

 

[pixiewings71]

That's why worker's comp is there.

And again, AMEN!

btw, I love your avatar!! That was such a cute movie!

 

[disneyobsessed808]

To respond to both of you.

I went a little off topic with regards to how I disagree with Unions. I think my argument was valid and represents my opinion to which I'm entitled to as you are yours.

Let's talk about the situation at hand.

Disney doesn't exploit their work force. They have specific jobs that pay a specific amount. If they cannot find labor at those rates then they increase said rates until they can fill positions. This determines what they pay their staff. Yes, they're a big bad corporation that has a lot of little people that it stands on to make a profit. It's the nature of the beast.

What we have here is a group of unskilled labor that wishes to have better compensation. They're welcome to seek that through diplomatic avenues. There seems to be a lot of bickering taking place between Disney and the Union bosses all while the workers are forced to protest and put their necks on the line. The Union is seemingly working against these people they're supposed to be supporting.

Perhaps I could support the concept of unionizing if the decisions and actions of the Union were those of the members themselves and less from those who take their dues to fill their pockets. It's well known that Union leaders are as crooked as those they supposedly work against.

I don't like Unions plain and simple and I believe that people should pay for their health benefits especially if they company they work for is willing to cover 75% of those costs. It's more than fair. Some people don't know how to stay out of financial trouble and don't want to put in the work required to get a good job that fits their financial needs. Bad decisions have put them in the position they are in and it's very unfortunate. I'm willing support anybody wanting to make their situation better via education and fiscal responsibility.
They have a choice.

Very mature.

Companies in China are also able to find workers for pennies a day. That is a specific job for a specific rate. That's the nature of the beast, but does that make it just? No.

Now clearly the situation at hand is not as bad, but they are being exploited none the less. They are being compensated less than promised (in terms of wages and benefits).

Also, please stop your condescending tone in assuming these people aren't putting in the work required. You don't know how hard they work and it's unfortunate you assume you're better than them. Many don't have the opportunity to go to school and can't find other jobs, plain and simple.

 

[Quest4fun]

Very mature.
Also, please stop your condescending tone in assuming these people aren't putting in the work required. You don't know how hard they work and it's unfortunate you assume you're better than them. Many don't have the opportunity to go to school and can't find other jobs, plain and simple.

I'm not trying to be condescending. It's just that people appear to be condescending when they don't agree with you. I'm sorry that my opinion is contrary to yours.

I'm confident that these people do the work required. That's not the issue.

This is America. Everybody has the opportunity to go to school. You gotta work for it though.

 

[JadeDarkstar]

ok
1 they are hotle workers they arent the ppl in the park. The ppl in the park pay there own money towards it.
WHY in the world dosent the hotle ppl. take 25% out and help pay for the health care. If all the other disney ppl are why arent they.

I am sorry for them but you dont get your way by acting like idiots

Pixiwing,crazyduck,danger mouse i agre with much of what youve said.
I dont know if i know you quest but i love your siggy and what you have said

 

[newfamilyman]

Really? Of all the evils on this earth, crossing a picket line is one of the worst ones? Wow.

To me, it certainly is. It is a tremendous sign of disrespect to those who are trying to earn a fair living for their families and who are up against a greedy corporation or management, trying to keep the profits for themselves. Someone who crosses a picket line with his or her children in tow sets the worst kind of example.

 

[Quest4fun]

 

[DangerMouse]

ok
Pixiwing,crazyduck,danger mouse i agre with much of what youve said.
I dont know if i know you quest but i love your siggy and what you have said

Have I said anything? I thought I was just doin this . . .

Much too controversial of a topic for me to debate, but fun to witness nonetheless.

 

[disneyobsessed808]

I'm not trying to be condescending. It's just that people appear to be condescending when they don't agree with you. I'm sorry that my opinion is contrary to yours.

I'm confident that these people do the work required. That's not the issue.

This is America. Everybody has the opportunity to go to school. You gotta work for it though.

Actually, I meant your condescending in regards to hotel workers. Considering that you've made clear that you think they're jobs aren't "real" or "grown-up" or "hard" (as you've said in previous posts), and you think that they don't put in more work than the work required simply because their union members, I'd say you are being the very definition of condesenscion.

 

[disneyobsessed808]

Agreed! Let's talk about Splash Mountain now.

 

[newfamilyman]

It doesn't carry the communist belief that everybody gets a boost no matter what.

It's rather ironic to call one of the basic tenets of the unions "communist" when it seems to me that the lack of sympathy or care for those less fortunate than themselves which seems to me a basic human rights violation is much more in keeping with communist nations like the one where the Olympics are occurring right now.

Many of these anti-union sentiments remind me of my colleagues who are dissenters until they need something from the union, and then the membership cards are quickly completed.

 

[Disney Dreams]

Quest4Fun,

I am going to publicly and VERY respectfully ask that you revise your quote of my words on this post to accurately show what I have said. If you care to reply to my posts, please accurately quote me.

I have not addressed your views in a condescending tone. I have not belittled your views. I have merely stated a difference of opinion. I welcome to you to disagree with me and represent your views. To completely and blatantly minimize my (and other participants') opinions to "bla bla bla" is not only misquoting, but very rude and I will not be treated as such in what is a friendly discussion. That is not necessary.

Please revise your quote of my words to accurately display my comments.

Thank you,
Dreams

 

[heatherleigh]

Unions are terrible. Ford and GM are great examples, like one of the previous posters mentioned. Union leaders are known to be shadey. Teachers unions for example.... I have seen teacher union workers on the news picketing and boycotting. These people are denying children to their gov't education by refusing to teach. Most people, in the real world, would be fired for refusing to work. Unions "protect" these people though, so they don't have to deal w/ what the rest of us do- life.

It's nothing more than a Marxist concept. Socialism/communism does not work (ummm, Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin?) That was caused the downfall of the Soviet Union.

The reason our country is a super power is because it is capitalist. Individuals here know that with hard work, and ambition, you can succeed. Why should someone who does well be punished? The person who comes up with an idea for any business or co (Disney, etc) and who took the initiative to start it should be rewarded. They're the ones who took the risk. I'm sick of them being made out to be the bad guys (big bad corporations.)

We have the freedom in this country to leave a job if we don't like it. If you aren't able to go to college, it doesn't mean you are destined to a life of poverty. My husband is uneducated (very smart, but not formally educated) and has done very well for us. He found something that he was able to succeed in and make it work. The point is, there are other options.

People these days have some strange sense of entitlement that my grandparent's generation did not. This will be the ultimate demise of this country.

No one is violating anyone's human rights. I don't see these people as being tortured or forced into anything. Comparing this to China is laughable.

 

[JaneJetson]

To me, it certainly is. It is a tremendous sign of disrespect to those who are trying to earn a fair living for their families and who are up against a greedy corporation or management, trying to keep the profits for themselves. Someone who crosses a picket line with his or her children in tow sets the worst kind of example.

Seriously? The worst??