Church says girl's communion not valid

My son will be in the same boat as this girl in a few years. He does not have gluten sensitivity but is actually allergic to wheat and could suffer anaphylaxis with even a little bit of wheat in the wafer, but a rice wafer would be ok.

I sure hope he can drink the wine, but he has so many food allergies, this could also be a problem.

For those defending the Church's stance, what should be done in a case where someone is allergic to wheat and grapes? Should they just be denied the sacrament?
 
Now I understand why so many Catholics join our Lutheran Church. My girlfriend left because her son with ADD could not attend Sunday School. The nuns told her they couldn't accomodate his differences. Apparently God only loves 100 percent healthy children.
 
Originally posted by jimmiej
It's not about the wafer/cracker or the wine/juice. It's about remembering what Jesus did for us.

Exactly!! In my church, we had grape juice instead of wine. It was about more than what the actual drink was. I think Jesus would understand. Unbelievable!
 
Originally posted by HollyJoy
Exactly!! In my church, we had grape juice instead of wine. It was about more than what the actual drink was. I think Jesus would understand. Unbelievable!

Catholics belive that the bread and wine become the actual body and blood of Christ. That is why non-Catholics are not allowed to take communion in the Catholic Church. Most other Christian religions believe that Communion is a symbol of Christ, and not actually Jesus.

According to the Catholic Doctorine, Holy Communion is essential for human salvation. Taking communion helps to resist temptation and avoid sin.
 

Originally posted by Kallison
Taking communion helps to resist temptation and avoid sin.

not even going to comment on this one! It's just sad that this is happening.
 
As a mother with a child with severe food allergies this really makes me mad and upset!

We go to a Methodist Church, but for communion they always offer an alternative for those with allergies.
 
Originally posted by HollyJoy
not even going to comment on this one! It's just sad that this is happening.

Holly that looks like my quote!! You forget to add in -- ACCORDING TO CATHOLIC DOCTRINE!

I totally don't agree with the Catholic Church stance on this issue. I think they are being completely rigid and inflexible. This is a man-made rule that could be changed.
 
Why don't you who don't know the reasons why the Church has this doctrine reseach it bit before you judge the Catholic Church. As auntpolly said so nicely: "It might seem silly to some of you, especially non-Catholics -- but I don't judge the things you consider sacred. A lot of the time I don't understand them, but if it's what you believe then I respect that."

FYI...

Low-Gluten Communion hosts alternative
 
a man-made rule that could be changed

Its a man-made rule based on thousands of years of tradition. Communion for us is representative of The Last Supper, and the guidelines go back to Moses and Passover. The Pope didn't just wake up 1 morning and say I think we need to put some wheat in the wafer.

Protestant faiths are different in that the wine and wafers are considered symbols. For us Catholics the wafer and wine ARE Jesus Christ. And when we take them we are accepting him into our bodies.

I do feel bad for the girl, but I don't see why the mother won't let her substitute the wine as the diocese offered. I hope they eventually find an alternative for ppl who can't have the wafer, but the priest was wrong to offer the rice wafer. I'd like to see if she gets an answer back from the Pope.

:wave:
 
FWIW, my son is a celiac and takes the regular communion weafer without problems. But since she was offered legitimate alternatives, I don't see the problem anyway.
 
Originally posted by Kallison
Holly that looks like my quote!! You forget to add in -- ACCORDING TO CATHOLIC DOCTRINE!

I totally don't agree with the Catholic Church stance on this issue. I think they are being completely rigid and inflexible. This is a man-made rule that could be changed.

Yes, you are right, I did. Sorry. I guess my hand got a little heavy on the editing! LOL I don't mean to judge the Catholic Church, for I totally respect other's religion. I just have a VERY hard time understanding it. Just seems as though there are so many contradictions. It's just sad that a little girl's first communion, which I know is a big deal in the Catholic Church, has turned into something so negative. It should be a joyous event for her and her family, and it's turned into a circus.
 
This is one of the few things that really irk me about the Catholic Church. Luke chapter 22 verses 19 and 20:

And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.


Jesus said the bread and wine were given for YOU. I don't ever remember seeing it written that YOU meant "only practicing Catholics".

Adam aka Big Dude
 
Originally posted by Octoberbride03

I do feel bad for the girl, but I don't see why the mother won't let her substitute the wine as the diocese offered. I hope they eventually find an alternative for ppl who can't have the wafer, but the priest was wrong to offer the rice wafer. I'd like to see if she gets an answer back from the Pope.

:wave:

I'm not Catholic but I definitely understand how Catholics feel about communion. The belief is definitely that the wafer and the wine actually BECOME the body and blood of Jesus Christ. I don't believe that but I respect that this is the view of the Catholic Church. NOW, if this is what Catholics believe, how exactly then is it enough that the girl would JUST take the wine and not the wafer. Period. If she just takes the wine, then, IMO, she is still not doing it right and is no better/worse off than having had the rice wafer. I think there is more to this or the paper reported it wrong. I don't think her Communion would be valid with just wine.
 
Originally posted by Big Dude
This is one of the few things that really irk me about the Catholic Church. Luke chapter 22 verses 19 and 20:

And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.


Jesus said the bread and wine were given for YOU. I don't ever remember seeing it written that YOU meant "only practicing Catholics".

Adam aka Big Dude

Yep! Perhaps the higher ups in the Catholic Church should consult God's Holy Word for the answer on this one. And before anyone says I just don't understand, I do, I was once Catholic. There is man's law and there is God's Law.
 
Beattyfamily and Octoberbride I am constantly amazed by the people who consider themselves open minded and then think nothing about diving right into a discussion about why the Catholic faith and tradition is stupid.

A woman in my book club just thinks she is one of the most intelligent, well read, renaissance woman to hit the planet and when we were reading the "DaVinci Code" she just laid into me about how "crazy" she thinks everything I believe is! She'd never think of doing this to someone of another faith because she's ever so politially correct, but for some reason Catholics are fair game.

Trust me, there are things about every faith that seem silly to someone. Sometimes if I really don't get something, I'll ask my friends from other religions to explain things. Sometimes it helps me to understand and sometimes I just never will understand because it's not what I believe -- but I would never think of saying the things about them that some of you have said about Catholics!
 
Yes, Catholics believe that Communion is the actual body and blood of Christ. When DD made Communion, they did not offer them the wine. If that is the case here, maybe the mother did not want the girl to be the only one sipping the wine. There would probalby be 100's of people in attendance and everyone would wonder why one girl was different. :confused: I also know plenty of people who do not drink the wine because of sanitary reasons. Everyone sips from the same cup.
 
Originally posted by Christine
I'm not Catholic but I definitely understand how Catholics feel about communion. The belief is definitely that the wafer and the wine actually BECOME the body and blood of Jesus Christ. I don't believe that but I respect that this is the view of the Catholic Church. NOW, if this is what Catholics believe, how exactly then is it enough that the girl would JUST take the wine and not the wafer. Period. If she just takes the wine, then, IMO, she is still not doing it right and is no better/worse off than having had the rice wafer. I think there is more to this or the paper reported it wrong. I don't think her Communion would be valid with just wine.

Because they are EQUALLY the body and blood of Jesus so we can take either/or and it will suffice.

Thank your for your respect for what we believe.

They even offered her the wine in a special cup just for her. Why would that be bad? She should feel special, not different.

Here's the article on how some determined nuns came up with a low-gluten Communion wafer.

CLYDE - The small, paper-thin flakes are the texture of potato chips but not nearly as fattening. They aren't sweet or nutritious and would fail miserably in the snack-food market. Yet thousands of people across the country, and even the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, are singing their praises.
These unexciting wafers are the result of more than a decade of trial and error by the Benedictine Sisters of Perpetual Adoration to develop an altar bread that is safe for consumption by sufferers of celiac disease, yet also remain in compliance with the strict guidelines of Canon Law.

Celiac disease is a digestive disorder triggered by gluten, a protein found in wheat, barley and other grains. It affects about one in 130 Americans. The Vatican requires that Communion hosts contain some gluten, an essential ingredient in bread, but no one had discovered how to make an edible host with a low-enough gluten level to be considered safe for celiac sufferers. That is, until a little over a year ago, when a pair of Benedictine sisters, all but defeated by years of failure, did something no one had ever done.

"It was definitely the Holy Spirit at work that night," Sister Jane Heschmeyer recalls.

The sisters at Clyde, who have been making altar bread for nearly a century, began receiving pleas from celiac sufferers 15 years ago. For a brief time the sisters offered altar bread with somewhat lower gluten content, but it was still too much for most people with the disease.

Facing the legal risk of marketing bread with marginal gluten levels to celiacs, an inability to find common ground between church law and celiac sufferers, and the cost of research and production, the sisters discontinued the bread. But Sister Jane couldn't let it go. For several years she carried on alone, experimenting with recipes and conducting exhaustive research.

"I was studying the canons and gathering information," she said. "I was in touch with the celiac association, grain specialists, the USDA, doctors, lawyers, everybody I could think of."

Meanwhile the phone kept ringing. "Please keep trying," a woman would plead. "My son is having his first Communion. Is there anything you can do?" a father would ask.

Sister Jane's resolve grew stronger with each call.

The church has long said that celiac sufferers may fully receive the Eucharist in the form of wine, but even the small bit of host a celebrant drops into the wine can be harmful to many. In addition, Dennis McManus, associate director of the U.S. Bishops' Secretariat on Liturgy, noted that some people with celiac disease also suffer from a cross-allergy to wine.

The issue made national headlines in 2001 when the parents of a 5-year-old Boston girl with celiac disease left the Catholic Church after their pastor and subsequently Cardinal Bernard Law would not allow them to substitute the wheat host with a rice wafer for her First Communion.

Furthermore, the church has ruled that a priest who is unable to receive the Eucharist in both species "may not celebrate the Eucharist individually, nor may he preside at a concelebration." The church further warned that bishops must "proceed with great caution before admitting to Holy Orders those candidates unable to digest gluten or alcohol without serious harm."

There are no statistics available on how many Catholics are affected by celiac disease. But Dr. Alessio Fasano, the University of Maryland researcher whose ground-breaking study last year revealed that the disease is far more prevalent than previously thought, told The Catholic Review, newspaper of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, "If there are about 300 people in church for Mass on Sunday, then we now know that two or three of them at least are likely to have celiac."

Alessio, a Roman Catholic, found that more than 2 million Americans suffer from the disease, which he contends is often misdiagnosed. What was once considered a rare condition is twice as common as Crohn's ulcerative colitis and cystic fibrosis.

Celiac disease can be life threatening. Left untreated by a gluten-free diet, it can lead to osteoporosis, malnutrition, central and peripheral nervous system disease, pancreatic disease, internal bleeding, damage to internal organs, gynecological and fertility problems, and even some forms of cancer. It may impact mental functions, and can aggravate autism (including a common autism spectrum disorder called Asperger's syndrome), attention deficit disorder, and even schizophrenia.

Sister Jane gained a study partner in 1999. Not long after joining the postulancy, Sister Lynn Marie D'Souza happened upon Sister Jane experimenting in the kitchen and offered to help.

"She didn't have a scientific background," Sister Lynn said with as much mock hauteur as the friendly and engaging nun can muster. The young postulant, who came to Clyde with a degree in biomedical science, left the kitchen that night enthralled. She was soon assigned to the altar bread department where she fielded phone calls from celiac suffers.

There were people calling who, against doctors' orders, were taking Communion at a risk to their health.

"One woman who was 40 years old had been diagnosed and had to give up Communion," Sister Lynn said. "She asked me, 'How can I give that up?'"

Another mother called about her 18-year-old daughter who had recently received the bad news.

"My daughter is on a gluten-free diet and that's not easy," the woman told Sister Lynn. "She can't eat the same things as her friends. But she never complains about that. The only thing she complains about is that she can't receive the Eucharist."

"Imagine," Sister Lynn said. "An 18-year-old girl who is so in love with her faith and wants to practice it, and she can't." Wheat starch and water. That's what the sisters had to work with. Flour was out of the question.

But Sister Jane says experiment after experiment was a lesson in frustration: "Either the batter couldn't be stirred or it would come out like plastic."

The two nuns cooked and consumed hundreds of batches. Every one tasted terrible.

"It was like eating ." Sister Lynn said, grasping for the right words, "it was like eating starch!"

With permission from their superiors, last year the pair, who had since been joined by a novice, Kathy Becker, delved more deeply into their work, which included making a call to McManus at the USCCB liturgy office.

"They were thrilled to hear we were working on this," Sister Lynn said. "They'd been working on it too, and they sent us what they had."

But there was a catch. The bishops' eager support came with a July deadline.

With only a couple of months to go, Sister Lynn's experimenting took on more urgency, while her hope faded.

"I'd been working with two different starches," she said, holding back an inevitable smile. "One of them was a mess. It ran all over the cooking plate, and it came out like lace. With the other starch I could get something that looked like a host, but it tasted terrible and it was rubbery. I was about ready to give up."

Sister Jane joined her later that night and with utter disregard for scientific methodology, said, "Why don't we just mix the two together?"

The result was even more horrifying.

Sister Lynn declared the batter a failure. "It was sticky and horrible. We couldn't get it off the spoon or our fingers."

In frustration she globbed the epoxy-like mess onto the waffle iron, and the two began cleaning up. Before turning out the lights, Sister Lynn realized she'd forgotten to clean the gunk off the waffle iron.

"When I opened it, there was this perfect bread - well, perfect in our world," she said with a laugh. "We had tasted a lot of horrible breads."

But what they gazed upon in disbelief was a round wafer, baked evenly, with a nice texture and crispness.

"We were speechless," Sister Lynn recalled.

Like a pair of monastic mad scientists, they immediately gobbled down their creation.

"It was delicious," Sister Jane said, reliving the excitement a year later. "It was crisp, light and it tasted good. Personally, we think it tastes better than our regular altar bread."

Gluten content: .01 percent.

Safe enough, according to Fasano and other medical experts, for consumption by almost all celiac suffers. But would it pass the scrutiny of the church's hierarchy?

The answer came last July. The recipe had been approved by the Vatican, and subsequently by the U.S. bishops, as part of a new set of norms for celebrating the Eucharist. The U.S. Bishops' Committee on the Liturgy deemed the sisters' bread "the only true, low-gluten altar bread . approved for use at Mass in the United States," with a lower gluten level than a host developed recently in Italy and approved by the Vatican and the scientific committee of the Italian Celiac Association. The sisters also have applied to the U.S. government for a patent on their recipe.

Fasano called the sisters' accomplishment "very wonderful news," but added that celiac sufferers should still consult with their doctors before consuming the new hosts. In rare cases even .01 percent is still too much.

There probably won't be a financial windfall from the sales of low-gluten bread. Novice Kathy is baking about 1,600 hosts a week, although as word gets out sales are expected to increase.

But both Sister Jane and Sister Lynn said profits were never the point. What motivated them through the long nights of research, what enabled them to force down awful-tasting failure after awful-tasting failure, were the phone calls, letters and e-mails from people of faith longing for the Body of Christ in both species.

"It is such a joy," Sister Jane says of the response from celiac sufferers.

"We hear over and over again how much people appreciate what we have done, but I want to thank them," Sister Lynn said. "This has been such an inspiration. To witness their desire has increased my own desire for the Eucharist."

Recently the mother of a 12-year-old boy with celiac disease called the sisters.

Her son, she said, talked all the time about being a priest some day, but she never had the heart to tell him that door was probably closed because of something beyond his control.

"When I learned of your bread," she said, "I knew the door was open again."
 
Originally posted by auntpolly
Beattyfamily and Octoberbride I am constantly amazed by the people who consider themselves open minded and then think nothing about diving right into a discussion about why the Catholic faith and tradition is stupid.

Trust me, there are things about every faith that seem silly to someone. Sometimes if I really don't get something, I'll ask my friends from other religions to explain things. Sometimes it helps me to understand and sometimes I just never will understand because it's not what I believe -- but I would never think of saying the things about them that some of you have said about Catholics!

::yes::
 
Originally posted by beattyfamily
Because they are EQUALLY the body and blood of Jesus so we can take either/or and it will suffice.



I see, thank you. I thought that the wafer (bread) was the body and that the wine was the blood and that you had to have both.
 
Originally posted by Christine
I see, thank you. I thought that the wafer (bread) was the body and that the wine was the blood and that you had to have both.

They are the body and the blood but they are equal in that we can have either and do not need both.

At our Masses we usually are offered both but only have to take one. Some Masses like the early 7:00a one and the Saturday afteroon one only have the bread.
 












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