Chris Kyle has been killed!!!!!

[Gumbo4x4]

Oh, and it was more than likely Kyle's spotter(s) who actually logged all those deaths.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

What you apparently do not understand is that it is perfectly acceptable to consider Kyle an absolute hero AND have just as much respect for soldiers from other nations - even the enemy. Not one person who has stated their support for Kyle has had a single thing bad to say about enemy SOLDIERS.

We do however draw a line separating soldiers and terrorists. Al Quiada is to Iraq as Timothy McVeigh is to America.

STOP MAKING SENSE!!! You're throwing them off!

 

[Jedana]

What those lunk heads will never realize, it is men like Kyle who have kept them free. They will only realize it when they lose it...maybe.

Yep. Just give it up.

These are people that watch shows like Jersey Shore and Housewives of Atlanta and Honey Boo Boo and think that those are totally awesome entertainment. They have no clue what sacrifices our miltary men and women make; nor do they care, as long as their little world revolves around them and they can make it to WDW or a Disney cruise once a year.

In our country, apparently it's ok to write a book about who you sleep with, make a tv show out of a dysfuntional family or share your nether parts on the internet, but God forbid that you protect those nitwits that do those things--or if you do make the mistake of protecting them, don't talk about it. Those things best handled hush hush, you know. Though, if we lived in Iran or Pakistan or Turkey, we wouldn't be able to criticize our government or military. If we were in China, we wouldn't be on the Disboards. ````

My father served in Korea and Vietnam--Korea as a grunt, and in Vietnam as much much more. He did not talk about what he did or saw...but he drank. Every day. The nightmares were bad--I could never go wake him up because he would startle awake, reacting as though he was still in a warzone. He was tormented by whatever demons he never faced from his time in the military.

If Chris Kyle was able to help just one veteran face and live down those demons, then he was doing the right thing.

 

[A_Princess'_Daddy]

Chris Kyle was not killing enemy soldiers.

I'm confused. Who was he killing if he wasn't killing enemy soldiers?

 

[Mickey'snewestfan]

If Chris Kyle was able to help just one veteran face and live down those demons, then he was doing the right thing.

I'm confused by this. Another veteran, as much of a hero as Kyle according to the logic here, is now in jail because Kyle made the mistake of taking him to a shooting range while he was suffering from PTSD. Do we think that will help him live down those demons?

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I'm confused. Who was he killing if he wasn't killing enemy soldiers?

Insurgents. The Iraqi army was defeated in a couple months' time, and they are now being trained by US soldiers. It's been years since our soldiers were up against actual uniformed soldiers in Iraq.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I'm confused by this. Another veteran, as much of a hero as Kyle according to the logic here, is now in jail because Kyle made the mistake of taking him to a shooting range while he was suffering from PTSD. Do we think that will help him live down those demons?

Do we even know that Kyle provided his shooter with a weapon?

 

[A_Princess'_Daddy]

Insurgents. The Iraqi army was defeated in a couple months' time, and they are now being trained by US soldiers. It's been years since our soldiers were up against actual uniformed soldiers in Iraq.

So he was in Iraq and not Afghanistan?

 

[Gumbo4x4]

So he was in Iraq and not Afghanistan?

There aren't any uniformed enemy soldiers in Afghanistan, either.

 

[Mickey'snewestfan]

Do we even know that Kyle provided his shooter with a weapon?

No, you're right. I shouldn't have made that assumption. However, I do think that it's a pretty good assumption that Chris Kyle's interactions with Eddie Ray Routh didn't end with Eddie Ray Routh living down his demons, and that Eddie Ray Routh isn't better off from having received "help" from Chris Kyle.

 

[bunkkinsmom]

So, once again, I haven't stated whether or not I believe the US should be involved in the Middle East.

However, I think there's a lot of ground between saying you understand that someone who is in the military is not responsible for the decisions of their supervisors, and saying they're a hero for carrying out an action you don't believe in. I'm sure he's a good man, and I am sorry he has died, but I think that going beyond that and labeling him a hero is a political statement that depends on one's beliefs.

Assuming I don't believe in his actions. I haven't stated whether I do or not. Still a hero.

I. Understand. What. He. Did. He was in the military. It's kill or be killed. I'm not disputing that. What I was trying to figure out was why if our soldiers kill another soldier(enemy soldier) it's ok, but if an enemy soldier were to say the same thing that Chris Kyle said, our citizens would think it was horrible.

I. Don't. Really. Care. What. A. Fan. Of. Terrorists. Think.
Also, he wasn't killing soldiers.

I'm confused. Who was he killing if he wasn't killing enemy soldiers?

terrorists.

You are putting a whole lot of words in my mouth or thoughts in my head. I have specifically followed the Disboards policies of not stating my political opinion.

A hero is someone who shows great courage while acting on noble principles. Someone who shows courage while robbing someone, for example, is not a hero at all. Whether or not Chris Kyle is a hero to you depends on whether or not you think that the principles he was acting on are noble, or misguided. Some people believe that the U.S. involvement in the Middle East is noble, and others believe that it's misguided. Both beliefs are political beliefs.

Regardless of whether or not I think that Chris Kyle is a hero, I think that announcing that political discussions are forbidden, while in the same post expressing a political opinion is unfair. I also think that the notion that someone's death is "unspeakable" is ridiculous. Regardless of what one things of Chris Kyle's career before this tragedy, I think there are good reasons to look carefully at what happened, in hopes of preventing future deaths. Refusing to speak of it means refusing to learn from what happened.

To the bolded, this is where we differ. By this logic, then no one can be a hero. By this logic, if there is one person out there who doesn't believe in someone's actions then they can't be a hero? Then just get rid of the word.

Also, when did I ever use "unspeakable"? I have never once stated that we shouldn't look carefully at what happened. Nor have I stated that I refused to speak of it. What I AM saying is that he saved our troops lives. TO ME, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, THE MAN IS A HERO. And frankly I am more than disgusted at comments that I see here as well as CNN. I'm very glad that I haven't seen anyone post that he was a murderer and got what he deserved like on some other sites. I too have not stated a political belief. I don't think calling a terrorist a terrorist is political.